But What If A Takedown Notice Isn't Actually A DMCA Takedown?
from the legal-gymnastics dept
We already covered the judge's ruling about how copyright holders need to consider fair use before sending a DMCA takedown notice, but there's another part of Universal's position in this case that has been widely ignored (even by the judge in the case), but which Ethan Ackerman wisely calls attention to: Universal claims that the takedown letter doesn't violate the DMCA because it wasn't actually a DMCA takedown. Instead, they said it was just a friendly "request."This may seem like a silly assertion or, at best, a minor side point, but it could become quite important. The DMCA has some very specific conditions that those sending takedowns need to meet -- but there's nothing really stopping anyone from sending a request that isn't specifically a DMCA takedown notice. For copyright holders, this would remove some of the power of the takedown notice, as it wouldn't require the service provider to react, like a DMCA notice does. However, if rulings like this one stand, adding some amount of liability to copyright holders sending DMCA takedown notices, some may actually find it safer to send non-DMCA takedowns on the assumption (probably correct) that most service providers will treat them exactly the same as a DMCA takedown. In other words, would copyright holders "opt-out" of the DMCA terms in order to avoid that liability? It will be worth watching.
Of course, in this case, the court just assumed that even if it didn't hit all the criteria, it was for all intents and purposes a DMCA takedown letter. But that won't always be the situation in future cases -- especially if copyright holders become even more explicit that the letters aren't DMCA takedowns, but some other type of takedown request. And, of course, this could expand as well -- where a total non-copyright holder could send such "requests" for takedowns, and they conceivably might not be violating the DMCA's provision against false takedowns, because they won't even fall under the DMCA. One way or the other, you can bet lawyers are going to be busy.
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Would put liability on the ISP
I believe you would have a slew of individuals asking to see the DMCA notices, and once it was determined that they really weren't DMCA requests they'd sue the ISP (if the ISP honored them without examining them for proper DMCA procedure or if they knew them to be non-DMCA requests). I would. I'd suggest the ISP take the time to seriously consider what they are honoring when receiving a request.
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Looks like rather a huge assumption to make, and why woud you make an assumption like that ?
"...the court just assumed that even if it didn't hit all the criteria, it was for all intents and purposes ..."
and how do you arrive at that conclusion ?
I hope this isn't just a "story" because of the smug feeling you get when assuming you understand better than the average person.
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Because that's exactly the way that organizations like youtube have behaved in the past with these issues.
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Where is your evidence or logic to support such a huge assumption ?
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Since you will not do the research yourself before making flippant counter-claims:
http://www.eff.org/files/filenode/lenz_v_universal/Lenz2ndAmendedComplaintExhibit s.pdf
CLICK IT.
Flat out SAYS its not a DMCA takedown notice. And this isn't the first time this has happend. Viacom sent over 100k false DMCA takedown notices (as in not properly detailed, and about non infringing content such as this guy's home video: http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/11118.cfm) to YouTube before.
People are abusing this shit for easy money. Its disgustingly immoral. Its just one more piece of evidence that the legal system in America is totally hosed because Corporations have more influence than the People.
And no, I'm hot a dirty hippie. Hippies have been spouting that stuff for years, its not my fault they were actually right about something.
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Did you miss the part where they were NOT proper DMCA takedowns?
Where is your evidence or logic to support such a huge assumption ?
The fact that these were NOT proper DMCA takedowns and we saw exactly how YouTube reacted.
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Because that's exactly how most companies already treat takedown notices. In fact, that's exactly what YouTube did in this case. It has a process for dealing with "takedowns" that doesn't take into account whether it's a DMCA takedown or another type of takedown.
and how do you arrive at that conclusion ?
Um. Because the judge said so?
I hope this isn't just a "story" because of the smug feeling you get when assuming you understand better than the average person.
What is there to feel smug about? I don't think I understand this any better than the average person. This is an important legal issue that wasn't getting much coverage, so I thought it was worth mentioning.
I'm sorry that you feel differently.
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YouTube apparently weren't fooled either.
But techdirt seems to have been fooled, perhaps because unlike the participants in the case techdirt are not obliged to engage brain before blogging - is it easier to achieve the smug feeling that way ?.
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Bullying 101
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Bad idea
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