Android So Much Of An iPhone Wannabe That It, Too, Has A Kill Switch

from the remote-disabling dept

There was plenty of attention a few months back when it was revealed (first by a hacker, then confirmed by Apple) that the iPhone contained a kill switch that could remotely disable any application. Nancy Gohring, over at IDG, has gone through the terms of service for the first Google Android-based phone and noted that it appears to have a remote kill switch as well, though at least it's upfront about it. You can understand why mobile operators might want this (for example, to stop a bandwidth hogging app), but it's still rather troubling that an app that you thought you had placed on your own device might be remotely deleted one day. If we've been able to deal with rogue and runaway apps on PCs for all these years, you would think that mobile operators would be able to deal with it as well.
Hide this

Thank you for reading this Techdirt post. With so many things competing for everyone’s attention these days, we really appreciate you giving us your time. We work hard every day to put quality content out there for our community.

Techdirt is one of the few remaining truly independent media outlets. We do not have a giant corporation behind us, and we rely heavily on our community to support us, in an age when advertisers are increasingly uninterested in sponsoring small, independent sites — especially a site like ours that is unwilling to pull punches in its reporting and analysis.

While other websites have resorted to paywalls, registration requirements, and increasingly annoying/intrusive advertising, we have always kept Techdirt open and available to anyone. But in order to continue doing so, we need your support. We offer a variety of ways for our readers to support us, from direct donations to special subscriptions and cool merchandise — and every little bit helps. Thank you.

–The Techdirt Team

Filed Under: android, kill switch
Companies: google


Reader Comments

Subscribe: RSS

View by: Time | Thread


  • identicon
    Steven, 17 Oct 2008 @ 4:40am

    No that bad.

    From my understanding Google can kill apps that you get from their 'market', but nothing stops you from getting the app direct from the creator. Of course it all depends on how it gets used.

    link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    timothy, 17 Oct 2008 @ 5:10am

    [Subject] StateDemocracy.org Equips You for the 2008 Elections

    Dear Citizen:
    Are you ready yet for the November 4th Elections? How about your friends, family, and neighbors?
    More Americans are expected to vote this year than ever before in history, so don’t be left out! Be sure to ask everyone you know the following questions:
     Are you registered to vote? If you moved recently, have you updated your voter registration?
     Did you apply for an Absentee Ballot? Do you know your state may not require any reason?
     Can you find your local Polling Place? Do you know it may have changed from last time?
    The answers to these questions -- and all your voting needs -- can be found at www.StateDemocracy.org -- the FREE 1-Stop citizen empowerment portal that Delivers Democracy to your Desktop! StateDemocracy is among the Internet’s first (since 2001) and most encompassing civic empowerment tools.
    In order to boost voter participation this year, StateDemocracy.org is offering FREE widgets for all 50 states. You can simply download and embed these widgets into your own website so your visitors can register to vote, get an absentee ballot or find their local polling place.
    Lobby Congress Via StateDemocracy
    StateDemocracy.org also equips you to maintain an active dialog with your state and federal lawmakers once they are elected. And RIGHT NOW is an especially opportune time to contact your U.S. Senators and House Member, as Congress takes up major legislation on such issues as offshore oil drilling, another economic stimulus package and all federal appropriations bills over the next few weeks.
    As you lobby your elected officials, remember that lawmakers view your constituent input as reflective of scores of other citizens who felt similarly, but didn’t have (or take) the time to share their opinions.
    LobbyDelegates.com Further Empowered Grassroots Voices
    Over the past 5 months, you may have visited www.LobbyDelegates.com, along with 26,000 other visitors. This latest public interest portal by the StateDemocracy Foundation remained the only online tool enabling rank-and-file Democrats to lobby all 800+ Super Delegates on which candidate to back for the party’s Presidential nomination.
    StateDemocracy Foundation Website Users Unite!
    Many of you have used our StateDemocracy.org and LobbyDelegates.com tools in recent times, and have hopefully found your experience uplifting and empowering. I encourage all of you to help spread the news about StateDemocracy.org to enable more of our fellow citizens to Connect! Engage! And Empower!
    Sincerely,
    Ken Laureys, Executive Director
    StateDemocracy Foundation
    Ken.Laureys@StateDemocracy.org

    P.S. If you are interested in becoming more involved in our StateDemocracy Foundation -- including volunteering as an Advisory Board Member -- please contact me.

    link to this | view in chronology ]

    • identicon
      WolfWitch, 17 Oct 2008 @ 5:29am

      Re: [Subject] StateDemocracy.org Equips You for the 2008 Elections

      And there is certainly no better way to really rally support for your organization than to spam message boards. Idiots.

      link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    timothy, 17 Oct 2008 @ 5:10am

    [Subject] StateDemocracy.org Equips You for the 2008 Elections

    Dear Citizen:
    Are you ready yet for the November 4th Elections? How about your friends, family, and neighbors?
    More Americans are expected to vote this year than ever before in history, so don’t be left out! Be sure to ask everyone you know the following questions:
     Are you registered to vote? If you moved recently, have you updated your voter registration?
     Did you apply for an Absentee Ballot? Do you know your state may not require any reason?
     Can you find your local Polling Place? Do you know it may have changed from last time?
    The answers to these questions -- and all your voting needs -- can be found at www.StateDemocracy.org -- the FREE 1-Stop citizen empowerment portal that Delivers Democracy to your Desktop! StateDemocracy is among the Internet’s first (since 2001) and most encompassing civic empowerment tools.
    In order to boost voter participation this year, StateDemocracy.org is offering FREE widgets for all 50 states. You can simply download and embed these widgets into your own website so your visitors can register to vote, get an absentee ballot or find their local polling place.
    Lobby Congress Via StateDemocracy
    StateDemocracy.org also equips you to maintain an active dialog with your state and federal lawmakers once they are elected. And RIGHT NOW is an especially opportune time to contact your U.S. Senators and House Member, as Congress takes up major legislation on such issues as offshore oil drilling, another economic stimulus package and all federal appropriations bills over the next few weeks.
    As you lobby your elected officials, remember that lawmakers view your constituent input as reflective of scores of other citizens who felt similarly, but didn’t have (or take) the time to share their opinions.
    LobbyDelegates.com Further Empowered Grassroots Voices
    Over the past 5 months, you may have visited www.LobbyDelegates.com, along with 26,000 other visitors. This latest public interest portal by the StateDemocracy Foundation remained the only online tool enabling rank-and-file Democrats to lobby all 800+ Super Delegates on which candidate to back for the party’s Presidential nomination.
    StateDemocracy Foundation Website Users Unite!
    Many of you have used our StateDemocracy.org and LobbyDelegates.com tools in recent times, and have hopefully found your experience uplifting and empowering. I encourage all of you to help spread the news about StateDemocracy.org to enable more of our fellow citizens to Connect! Engage! And Empower!
    Sincerely,
    Ken Laureys, Executive Director
    StateDemocracy Foundation
    Ken.Laureys@StateDemocracy.org

    P.S. If you are interested in becoming more involved in our StateDemocracy Foundation -- including volunteering as an Advisory Board Member -- please contact me.

    link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 17 Oct 2008 @ 5:17am

    Android Kill Switch != iPhone Kill Switch

    Key differences:
    * You can install apps easily without using the Google Store Repository
    * The Kill Switch only works on Apps installed from the Google Store Repository
    * The Kill Switch is not meant to be used to censor programs, just to stop malicious ones that may get uploaded to the Google Store Repository

    Of course, only time can tell for sure. But Google isn't hiding it and from what I can tell those are the key differences. Apple's kill switch is used to prevent competition on their platform. Google's is there for liability reasons.

    link to this | view in chronology ]

    • identicon
      matt, 17 Oct 2008 @ 5:20am

      Re: Android Kill Switch != iPhone Kill Switch

      yeah, everyone hopes the intentions are good. However, unlike the iphone (where a majority of users do not know how to install without the app store), google customers will not have such an issue.

      link to this | view in chronology ]

      • identicon
        James, 17 Oct 2008 @ 8:33am

        Re: Re: Android Kill Switch != iPhone Kill Switch

        hey Matt .. you're right, Apple hasn't used the kill switch yet....they haven't had to, they just REMOVE the apps from their store instead.. so nice of them.

        You only think you own your phone, but you got iPWNED!

        link to this | view in chronology ]

    • identicon
      some old guy, 17 Oct 2008 @ 5:24am

      Re: Android Kill Switch != iPhone Kill Switch

      correction: apple hasn't used the kill switch yet, so we don't know what their intentions are with it other than what they say, which is the same thing google has said it's for.

      link to this | view in chronology ]

      • identicon
        Corrector, 17 Oct 2008 @ 7:14am

        Re: Re: Android Kill Switch != iPhone Kill Switch

        >correction: apple hasn't used the kill switch yet, so we don't know what their intentions are with it other than what they say, which is the same thing google has said it's for.

        Correction to the correction. Apple HAS used the kill switch.

        link to this | view in chronology ]

      • identicon
        Anonymous Coward, 17 Oct 2008 @ 9:43am

        Re: Re: Android Kill Switch != iPhone Kill Switch

        not true, that famous "I am rich" was killed.

        link to this | view in chronology ]

    • identicon
      Eric, 17 Oct 2008 @ 6:03am

      Re: Android Kill Switch != iPhone Kill Switch

      I'm not going to purchase and use a phone that has this "kill switch". I will install whatever I damn well please on my phone and use it in whatever way I choose and particularly apps that I pay for. I'm not going to have an app auto-delete from my phone remotely. No thanks. This is still America damn it. Any vendor who has such a "kill switch" on my phone will not get my business.

      link to this | view in chronology ]

      • identicon
        JT, 17 Oct 2008 @ 12:30pm

        Re: Re: Android Kill Switch != iPhone Kill Switch

        It would probably help to read some of the comments and understand it before posting a ridiculous rant.

        link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    David, 17 Oct 2008 @ 5:38am

    It depends on how it is used

    I don't object to the concept of a kill switch, I just want to see how it is used.

    link to this | view in chronology ]

  • icon
    TX CHL Instructor (profile), 17 Oct 2008 @ 5:40am

    An interview with a mobile telco

    I recently interviewed with a mobile telco for a programming job (didn't get the job, which may have turned out to be the best possible outcome), and in the discussion, the manager showed me some real-time data from his network. In the data stream that flowed by, he spotted something that caused him to pause the display.

    "A hacker trying to break into the network..." He then punched a few keys, and suspended the account. He then explained that the system normally detects that sort of intrusion attempt and shuts it down automatically, but this one apparently learned what the pinging threshold was, and was staying just under it. The would-be hacker appeared to be trying to access a feature for which he had not paid. He would have been caught in a few minutes anyway, but the manager just happened to see it first.

    Now, supposed we had a few tens of thousands of zombied smartphones out there...

    I think I can see where a remote killswitch might be something a cell network would want. The alternative would be to suspend all of those accounts, and render the phones useless except for 911 calls. Much less impact on the users, much less burden on customer service, much better protection of the network.
    --
    www.chl-tx.com Nothing deters violent crime as effectively as the possibility that your intended victim might shoot you. Nothing.

    link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    Joel Coehoorn, 17 Oct 2008 @ 6:01am

    It actually makes a certain amount of sense for Google to do this. Since they don't _initially_ filter the apps going into the app store, they need a way to protect users from _malicious_ apps that might get installed. Of course, this is still just begging to be abused.

    link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    Bradley, 17 Oct 2008 @ 6:06am

    Another difference

    I'd read here on Engadget that Google is even going so far as to make "reasonable efforts to recover the purchase price of the product ... from the original developer on your behalf" for any app they actually might use the killswitch on. That seems pretty fair to me, and comparing Google vs Apple's track records, I'd be much less concerned with Google killing off things they don't like or consider competition.

    link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    asdf, 17 Oct 2008 @ 6:52am

    can we add a kill switch to timothy's spam?

    link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 17 Oct 2008 @ 7:16am

    RE: can we add a kill switch to timothy's spam

    Are you serious? Voting in your country's election is very important. The guy isn't trying to tell you HOW to vote - he is just telling you TO vote.

    Now if he was trying to hawk some Viagra or Rickrolling you, then I'd agree with your beef.

    $.02

    link to this | view in chronology ]

    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 17 Oct 2008 @ 12:34pm

      Re: RE: can we add a kill switch to timothy's spam

      A double post in an article with nothing to do with voting? Sorry but the millions of dollars on the ads we have to endure every night should get the word out.

      link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    d_mat, 17 Oct 2008 @ 7:18am

    Choice

    In the end it still comes down to choice. You either want a closed system that is secure (but based on open-source, i.e. best of both worlds... in a way) or a totally open system for flexibility. Its a choice that has always existed between Mac and Windows OSes.
    The kill switch is a new element in this system of choice (allbeit with some extra caveats) and you have to decide for yourself. Its a security thing, and I have to say, I think, in this case, I would go for security. I have a laptop for flexibility.
    The only issue to me is that Apple didn't say it upfront. I hope its not a bad sign about the future at Apple.

    link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 17 Oct 2008 @ 7:32am

    Getting around the kill switch

    One thing people seem to be assuming is that the kill switch would actually take out a malicious application. My guess is that people who make malicious applications will find an easy way to prevent their applications from being disabled. This will leave only "honest" applications subject to the kill switch.

    Also, what is a malicious application? Will the US IP Czar decide that the lastest JibJab application is unfair to the President and is therefore is malicious and order Google to kill it?

    This is kind of like DRM. It is something that sounds great when the proposal is pitched in the board of directors meeting. In practice, it doesn't work out as planned.

    link to this | view in chronology ]

    • identicon
      JT, 17 Oct 2008 @ 12:42pm

      Re: Getting around the kill switch

      The premise of the killswitch is to disable the app probably using undocumented/unreleased code. While I'm no expert, I would assume that it would terminate the application on another layer that the application would have no ability to alter.

      DRM is in place for a million different configurations, this is a proprietary platform. If you want a comparison, it would be closer to protection that console systems use rather than DRM.

      link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    WHODAT, 17 Oct 2008 @ 8:59am

    IPHONE BE DA BOMB

    link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    Brian, 20 Oct 2008 @ 2:13am

    I am always amused to see babble about Android "copying" iphone features that have existed for quite a while before the first iphone ever shipped.

    Fun fact: on-device stores/marketplaces/whathaveyou existed long before apple "invented" them. Sadly, like the apple marketplace, they've mostly been restrictive "walled garden" environments controlled by entities with motives nowhere in line with actual users of the devices.

    link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    Jesse, 28 Dec 2008 @ 10:30am

    kill switch

    The kill switch is intended to stop an application that is hogging up the bandwidth. Take Facebooks mobwars for example.. you can download a bot and have that program running incessantly for days and days. The kill switch just stops the program... It doesnt keep you from keeping the program on your phone. enough with the conspiracy theory and big brother crap already

    link to this | view in chronology ]


Follow Techdirt
Essential Reading
Techdirt Deals
Report this ad  |  Hide Techdirt ads
Techdirt Insider Discord

The latest chatter on the Techdirt Insider Discord channel...

Loading...
Recent Stories

This site, like most other sites on the web, uses cookies. For more information, see our privacy policy. Got it
Close

Email This

This feature is only available to registered users. Register or sign in to use it.