Reputation Matters Among File Sharers
from the it-still-matters dept
Slate has an interesting article about someone (or a group of folks) under the name aXXo who is the "biggest name" in BitTorrent and consistently offers up high quality movies on a variety of BitTorrent platforms. Apparently, when aXXo uploads something, it's likely to become one of the top BitTorrent downloads on various sites. Since I don't use BitTorrent (or any file sharing system), I wasn't aware of this, but find the situation to be quite interesting. The fact that reputation "matters" in the file sharing world, definitely seems like something that moviemakers can use to their advantage.If you have a somewhat obscure movie, and want more people to see it, rather than just putting it up for download, you're probably better off getting a "trusted party" to put it up for you. As the article notes, even the obscure movies that aXXo uploads become top downloads, because people trust aXXo, and trust is a valuable quality -- even in unauthorized file sharing. In some ways, this is similar to the whole "mixtape" phenomenon, where DJs put out unauthorized mixtapes that often are, technically, copyright infringement. Yet, the top DJs are so valuable that many record labels actively push their songs on them, knowing that if they include a song on a mixtape, it increases the popularity (and marketability) of the musicians. You could easily see the same thing happening with movies and other content as well.
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and yeah, those file sharing sites/forums are more like communities, those when ppl like Axxo release something on the network usually there are certain guaranties:
Mainly quality of file.
and after a certain while you get used to there taste so you kind of know what type of movie your getting.
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Oh geez
Shoot, I think I have my next story....
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Re: Oh geez
Your next story will be the MPAA uploading files with "aXX0" in the filename...
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Re: Oh geez
ENTRAPMENT!
Fuck the MPAA,
Not 1 cent!
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axxo, pukka, and the other BIG file sharers protect themselves from fake uploads by the mpaa or the riaa because people (usually) don't blindly download stuff off The Pirate Bay, but check the user's account to see if it's not an industry decoy or an adware troll who encodes videos in a "special" format that can only be seen with some specific player that conveniently installs all adware known to man.
But axxo and the others don't enjoy any sort of "cred", since they are just peers in a p2p network, besides people only download films they already know and want to see (Quantum of Solace, anyone?), since downloading from an axxo account only guarantees high quality video and audio, not contents (Hellboy 2 was superbly encoded in DiVX with 112kbps MP3 audio, but the movie sucked anyway).
So people wouldn't find "obscure" films from them in the first place. What they should do is advertise their movies by buying ad space on TPB to get exposure (and then again, maybe, maybe not, Adblock and all).
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Or...
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aXXo is a very emotional fellow...
...wait... what? ya. he got pissed cause the pirate site woudln't enforce HIS RIGHTS over his name. This, from a guy who's only contribution was having a fast internet connection, and not doing a shitty job on rips. His quality really wasn't that great, and many of his rips were re-encodes.
His stuff wasn't the best out there, but you were guaranteed that it wouldn't be crap.
Since the guy himself was a flake and kept "quitting the scene" many people have taken to using his name as a label of quality. If something is a good rip, they slap the aXXo label on it.
Of course, there are some people faithful to aXXo (like theres a reason to idolize him?) who call out these "fake aXXos" and flame the posters to death, but that's really silly.
Last I heard from aXXo, was about a year ago on TPB, where he "quit the scene" because thepiratebay.org wouldn't takedown content that infringed on his name. He basically told tpb to take down any torrent that had aXXo in the name that wasn't posted under his account. TPB laughed at him, and noones heard from him since. (that I know of at least)
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Re: aXXo is a very emotional fellow...
You will be happier when you realize life is full of gray areas. No one deals in absolutes in reality.
Even drug dealers value their name, their credibility among their peers. There are only two things a man really has in this life: his word and his name.
Everything else can be taken away and while your word may be obscured by imitators, no one can truly take that away from you for it is yourself.
So it doesn't surprise me at all that he would be upset about someone using what would appear to be his identity.
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Re: aXXo is a very emotional fellow...
C'mon, we see it everywhere.
In blogs, people says "this is my upload, you can use it, but give the proper credits".
People who makes fanmade album covers says the same thing: give me the credits!
If you going to use an article written by other person, you have to give the credits (many don't).
Even you would be upset if you worked hard on something and zillions of people started spamming what YOU had done as if it was THEIR work.
Or if they used YOUR hardly-built reputation to make THEIR work famous.
Even in real life. Imagine a music composer. He makes the lyrics, he makes the beat, he makes the arrangement... It turns out be a great song and then someone come, steal it and says: I am the the composer!! Ain't great??
Or you. In your work. Whatever you do. You do something really good. Someone come, steal your work and tell your boss you did nothing but sleep. He gets the fame, the money, the glory and you get furious...
I do support axxo. And many others, but it's aXXo who7s being discussed here, heh!
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Of course reputation matters.
People are more concerned with the junk EA will install on their computer than they are with what so called evil "pirates" of Reloaded will. Rightly so.
The only question to me, is why wouldn't reputation be important? It seems obvious that it would.
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pir8
Each link in the chain had its own rep and if our group split or died off, we would be left to find new contacts. I don't know about now but back then it was very hard to find new groups, or for new groups to find people and the only way for those people to join a group was to build or already have an existing rep for their particular position.
I almost miss those days because we used technologies that have barely been thought of since then, like FSP for instance. How many of you can tell me what it is and what its advantages were over any other technology of its kind? No cheating by googling, etc.
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nothing special
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Well, that or MPAA subpoenas Techdirt for IP addresses of admitted file sharers who posted to thread.
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aXXo releases
but, as for DVD rip released movies he's an reference point as the EZTV group for TV Shows
even if MPAA and other IP media groups don't quite agree he made available the movie "culture" to a far more large group, in a quality release as a good option to view a movie
for releases details and active torrents, www.mininova.org/user/axxo
disclaimer: i do not represent none of parties mentioned
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Re: aXXo releases
Tricky, tricky disclaimer. I'd say that makes you MPAA since aXXo would have been proud to share his identity...
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Axxo isn't scene
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Cred...
Recently there is a newcomer on the scene called KlaXXon who in my opinion used his specifically spelled name to piggyback on people looking for a good quality aXXo release.
This pissed me off as a DL'er and my name wasn't even the one being hijacked so to speak.. I can respect aXXo's position and stand on his side of this issue because if you work hard to build a trusted name for yourself here in this community you should be able to protect it too.. TPB should have worked with him and not ignored his wishes, especially looking at what he has accomplished thus far.
Just my 2 cents and not that this matters much but I have been online longer then most and know how important an online moniker/handle and it's reputation matters in this community..
Ok so I guess that I am up to 7 cents now.. I will stop here and see what the rest of you have to say..
Cobaltqube.
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Not listening to anyone's wishes. They don't care what the MPAA, the RIAA, the governments of the world, and even their own users think. They are there to enable filesharing of all kinds, not to protect one users prestige in a community of would-be-lawbreakers.
I have the utmost respect for aXXo, he does great work in relatively little time. But as far as making demands to TBP? He had to know he was going to get laughed at.
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I hope he goes to jail for stealing other people's work lol!
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"I hope he goes to jail for stealing other people's work lol!"
Now wouldn't that be something? (S)he (supposedly) 'steals' from thieves, and (s)he's the only one gonna land in jail?
Frankly, I'm tired of morons and their idiotic comments...
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Then tell what's your account with the stuff you've made...
Tell what software to use to discover if he really stole from other releases...
I didn't know such software existed and I'm not ashamed to say so.
But instead of talking talking and talking... Show some proofs, tell what you've done, what he did, how to do...
Geez.
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Sad.
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proof
It seems that if someone wanted to become a really recognized figure in the community they would have a public key out there and sign their descriptions (if not files) with it.
That way their reputation could remain intact, no matter what, and people could trust the source if they checked out.
Either that or I've just been around to long and become a bit to jaded =P
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Tough Concept?
When I see a post by Mike Masnick, I know I am going to read some uninformed drivel and I'll be able to squeeze out a mini rant.
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I hear that said a lot, but what proof do they have? How do they know that he's re-encoding their rips?
How can it be "stealing" when he's just making copies? (if he is) Are you agreeing with the media corporations that copyright infringement is "stealing"? If so, does that mean that you want the scene groups locked up for "stealing" as well?
Thinking about the scene, I'm reminded of the story of how to catch monkeys; Make a hole in a stump just big enough for their hand to pass through and then put some food inside. The monkey will reach in, grab the food but be unable to withdraw their clenched fist through the hole. Even when the monkey sees you coming, it's not smart enough to drop the food so that it can get its hand out of the hole.
The scene groups put their name on every release. They include an NFO file bragging about their release. They set up web sites to track scene releases. Then they complain that P2P users are bringing too much attention to them. They're not smart enough to figure out that if their group's name wasn't plastered over everything they release, the authorities wouldn't even know there was a group in the first place.
Of course if they didn't put their name on it, they couldn't brag about being "first", which is all they care about. It's like a scene from a comedy where all the characters notice a single item that they all want and then they all make a mad dash for it, elbowing and tripping each other in a desparate attempt to get to the item first, with the winner taunting the others.
Back in the days of the C64, I used to occasionally crack games with simple copy protection. I also used to use my Super Snapshot cartridge to "snapshot" small games. I would then upload them to local BBS's. I put my name on them, but I didn't brag about being first, I just wanted the users to know who had uploaded each one so that if there was a problem, they could contact me. In those days, the big obesssion was "0-Day Warez". In at least one case, I left the date off my upload just to piss off people who cared more about when a game was released, than the quality of it.
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Stealing from a theif is still stealing.. but using other people's work as your own is just plain sad.
Why do they "brag"? Reputation matters, remember?
Of course, the scene is not what it used to be and good groups are slowly leaving to make way for new idiots... but hey, that's the world we live in. Idiots will eventually rule the world (wait.. I think they already do, dont they?)...
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A recode in any case would destroy most of the unique identifying info., so I'd be interested in knowing about the "proper software" you're talking about...
All these morons who go on and on about the almighty 'scene' and how it's being degraded by the ignorant unwashed masses fail to realise one simple thing - that the end user simply doesn't give a damn where the goods originally came from, whether from the scene or ripped by aXXo. All they care about are certain characteristics like decent quality, size, compatibility etc. Most are non-technical and wouldn't know the difference between a codec and a donkey's posterior. All they want is something that Just Works (TM), and aXXo's stuff does. Maybe it's just a case of sour grapes on the part of the 'scene'?
In any case, those who enjoy pirated goods are not gonna stop downloading if any of the 'superstar uploaders' like aXXo etc. disappear for good one fine day. There are many to take his place and it's become a self-sustaining economy of sorts now.
If you really enjoy higher quality rips than what aXXo provides, you probably also know the sources for that as well. So why the blazes would you go bitching on and on and on ad infinitum about how someone's a second-hand 'thief' who's 'stolen' from a first-hand one (a hilarious concept BTW!) Get what you want and be happy and just shut the hell up, simple. Live and let live.
Oh, and if you're so concerned about the risk factor increasing manifold with thousands more downloading, consider this - the risk is probably less since you'll just be an insignificant blip in the massive pirate universe. And if that doesn't satisfy you, you're always free to go back to sharing physical copies between friends rather than use the internet. No one's forcing you online now, are they, and don't presume you have any more ownership rights online over stolen data compared to your friendly neighbourhood village idiot. The Internet's a great leveller, so just deal with it or get off our lawns (and don't ya forget to take your dog's poop with you too!) :)
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On another note, the system of seeds and peers could also be a neat way for the IP holders to monitor the popularity of their property....
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Oh yeah, to be a "scenester". Morons.
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it's called "whuffie"
http://craphound.com/down/download.php
aXXo wants his whuffie. TPB isn't going to give it to him because they don't do anything that they are told. that's fine too. TPB provides one service, aXXo provides another.
there is a HUGE difference between trademark infringement and copyright infringement.
trademark infringement is claiming to be someone that you are not... like identity theft.
reputation (based on identity) is a scarce good. it's tough to build up and easy to lose. if someone takes it from you, it's tough to replace. sometimes it's easier to start over with a new identity, but it still takes lots of time.
you could do away with copyright completely and still have trademark (or reputation) kept more or less intact. there is more on the subject here:
http://levine.sscnet.ucla.edu/general/intellectual/against.htm
no one thinks for a second that a "the dark knight" xvid released by aXXo was made by aXXo. but aXXo shares, and wants the credit for sharing, not the movie.
if i was able to share like aXXo, or provide a service like TPB, i'd want to get some recognition too.
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aXXo
Where you get that his work is bad quality is bull****..
AxxO 4 LiFe
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