Once Again, Apple's 200 iPhone Patents Don't Stop Others From Claiming Infringement
from the no-surprise dept
You may recall that Steve Jobs proudly hyped up the fact that Apple had filed over 200 patents on the technologies related to the iPhone, as if that showed how special it was. However, as we noted, those patents hardly stopped others from filing patent infringement lawsuits against Apple. In the latest case, we have a company named EMG Technology claiming the iPhone violates its recently issued patent on viewing a mobile website.The patent appears to cover the process of reformatting a website so that it can be more easily viewed on a mobile browser -- something that's been done for ages, since well before this patent was originally filed in 2006. Of course, the priority date on this patent may actually go back to March of 2000, since it appears that various continuations were filed -- a common practice among patent holders to be able to later add changes to a patent's language to cover actual innovations that others came up with, but which the patent holder now wants credit, even if the original patent application wouldn't have covered that technology specifically.
Either way, even if you were to grant the (somewhat laughable) idea that this patent is valid, this case again shows why the patent system, as currently constructed, makes almost no sense. It's quite clear that Apple did not get it's idea for how the iPhone browser would work from EMG's patent. Instead, it came up with the concepts on its own, knowing that it would be a useful way of implementing a mobile browser. Yet, now, this third party who had nothing to do with Apple's innovations gets to demand money from Apple. That's not promoting the progress. It's promoting waste and inefficiency.
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What a great system.
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The iPhone does not do this, does it? It actually renders the HTML.
Dr E
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Patents not worth the paper they are printed on..
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Opinions are like...
Patents are IMPORTANT to innovation, they provide companies with protection from copycat companies. Without patents companies would see greater risk in R&D spending.
You seem to be under the impression that patents are a bad thing and that copyright is a bad thing (I know you didn't mention it in this post but have many many times in the past). These intellectual property policies are in place to ensure a competitive landscape (you can try to say they "limit" competition, but in fact they protect competition because they prevent ideas from being stolen). You have been approaching the problem from the wrong side of things.
IP laws are in place to protect companies who invest billions in research and design. These policies provide companies a means to protect their research from being used by a competitor who did not do the research. They are VITAL to innovation because without those protections there wouldn't be any incentive to spend the billions in the first place. A competitor would be able to come in behind you, use what you learned without incurring the research costs, and release the product to market at a considerable discount. Thus undercutting your price (remember the competitor didnt spend any money on research). Without those protections innovation would decline rapidly.
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Those 'copycat companies' that you refer to are the cornerstone of a capitalistic society. Yes, those copycat companies are the vital part of the free market called 'competition'.
I know AC wasn't arguing the point here, but it seems to me a lot of the people who support patents will also defend government deregulation as being lethal to the free market.
But patents and intellectual property provisions *are* regulation. The free market has no use for these concepts...
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And in your distorted version of reality, you think this is good?
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You can't steal ideas; you can, however copy them. And the notion that IP laws "protect" competition is ludicrous. Patents are short term monopolies - they are therefore explicitly anti-competitive.
As the lawsuits against Apple, Vonage, and numerous others show, if you create a successful, profitable product, you will be sued for patent infringement by those that did not or by those who want your market share. That does not encourage innovation - it suppresses it.
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I know above idea doesn't work when hazy patents are filed. That doesn't mean patent system itself is bad, but rather the current setup is rotten. Criteria for issuing patents should be improved rather than getting rid of the system.
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Who exactly is saying that we should get rid of the patent system? It's not DanC. He only pointed out that the patent system was anti-competative. But you can be anti-competative and still promote innovation. (I'd argue that, as time goes by, the US patent system has stifled more and more innovation versus how much it's promoted.) It's not Mike in this post. He gave a criticism of this particular case, but didn't call for abolishing the whole system. So to who exactly is your comment directed?
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You apparently have not been reading this blog for very long.
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In fact, I have. Perhaps you're seeing what you want to see instead of what was actually written.
Firstly, I did say "in this post" and since Mike didn't call for abolishing the entire patent system in this post, my statement stands. Secondly, please cite an example of where Mike has stated that the entire patent system in the US should be abolished. Again, I believe if he had his choice, it would be overhauled, but I don't recall him ever saying get rid of the whole damn thing.
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Second, your argument hinges on the assumption that idea or innovation is easy to copy. Naturally, that begs the question: if the innovation was easy to copy in the first place, why did it deserve government protection?
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I think you're making the logical mistake of assuming that Mike is in favor of abolishing all patents. This is what your statement implies, but that's not what Mike said in this post nor, if I'm not mistaken, has he ever gone to that extreme in previous posts.
My take on what Mike is saying -- and I agree with him -- is that the current model is broken and actually works against the original intent, to promote innovation. You can argue about how radical a change would be required in the current patent system to correct the large problems that exist, but there have been countless examples of where patents have been granted on -- no pun intended -- patently pre-existing ideas. No, I haven't looked at the patent in question, but I'd bet money that its subject, formatting a web page for a small screen, comes down to some rather simple and obvious concepts.
Personally, I think there is a place for patents. But in America at least, things really seem to have gotten out of hand. In the cases that are most troublesome, we're not talking about your example of companies that spend billions of dollars on research. You can make a good case that patents should apply in those scenarios. But what's galling is when thousands of patents are given an simple and obvious ideas, which in turn stifles innovation.
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When I hear the phrase "intellectual property", I reach for my gun
Funny how that word "protection" used together with patents invariably seems to be secret code for "stifling competition"...
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What the Patent system was intended for.
Patent law was designed to prevent this sort of thing so that R&D money would be spent and the resulting invention protected for a time.
This is all well and good and explains how the patent system "promotes" innovation by preventing copying.
The CURRENT patent system, however, is a mockery of this ideal in that partial "inventions" that are really obvious are used to hijack someone who DID create a nifty device via their own R&D and sweat and blood.
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partial "inventions"
what do you call a "partial invention" ?
Is intermittent windshield wiper (from the movie "Flash of genious" now in theaters) a "partial invention" ?
Do you want the guy in the movie to be required to produce whole automobile in order to be entitled to protection of his windshield wiper design ?
Go get your GED degree, now !
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Re: partial "inventions"
Have another shot AD.
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Re: What the Patent system was intended for.
That is a problem with the law's implementation, i.e. the Patent Office, not the underlying law itself. If the Patent Office is issuing bad patents that people then use to an unjust result, then that should point us toward fixing the Patent Office, not overhauling the entire body of patent law. Patent law already prohibits the issuance of patents on obvious inventions. The fact that some may be out there just means that the Patent Office is not doing its job well, not that the law itself is flawed.
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No data in the article to determine if the above is or is not true.
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Morons wake up: Ideas can't be stolen
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Electronics Patents
It's like patenting vision. The patent covers anything that distorts or enhances vision... for example: telescopes, eyeglasses, laser eye surgery, microscopes, etc
Why don't they just try to patent colors while they're at it too. pfft!
-Jason
Wholesale Electronics
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They're hurting America, Mike.
Are we ever going to penalize companies for filing suits based on frivolous patents in an effective way?
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