Did You Know Caching Is How Perverts Avoid Downloading?
from the say-again? dept
We all know that child porn is a terrible problem -- and I have absolutely no problem with severely punishing anyone involved in the production or distribution of it. However, where things get tricky is when you start punishing anyone merely for possession. Sure, if it's a situation where someone is discovered with a ton of it, that might be a different scenario (though, I would think it's more of an issue to be handled with psychiatric help, rather than criminal prosecution), but mere possession in the digital age is problematic. Anyone can send someone an email with a pornographic picture attached, and suddenly the recipient is guilty of possessing child porn through no fault of his own. Or, you could get some malware that pops up such images. There are plenty of ways that people could unwittingly have such images on their computer, and making them criminally liable could result in some pretty awful scenarios.Apparently, the guy the Irish government put in charge of dealing with the child porn problem hasn't thought about any of this, however. He's recommending that Irish laws be strengthened to make merely viewing child porn a criminal offense, claiming that viewing it drives demand for more such images.
Of course, if you read the article linked above, it sounds even worse. I'm hoping it's because the reporter, rather than the guy who wrote the report, is clueless, but it implies that the guy's report to the government said that child porn viewers are purposely using "caching" to avoid downloading child porn to protect them from legal liability. Except... caching is downloading. The way something is cached is that it's downloaded. So, if you accidentally go to a website that includes child porn, the images are most likely cached, meaning you're now guilty of a committing a crime. Yet, the article (which claims to be repeating what's in the report) suggests that caching is actually a nefarious technique used by technologically sophisticated folks to avoid legal liability. Apparently, the fact that almost everyone uses caching when they browse wasn't explained to someone.
Fighting back against child porn is important, but technologically clueless people going on a witch hunt isn't going to help things very much.
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Revenge on your enemies
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Re: Revenge on your enemies
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Tip o the Spear
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Maybe the whole Irish government should be behind bars because they are making me think about child porn!
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Please pay attention AnonCow
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Judges, prosecutors, etc are all elected - and nobody wants to be the one who appears soft on child porn.
As long as it's a public election, child porn laws will continue to grow more and more strict and ridiculous.
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The idiots are beating the drum again
It seems that they have learned nothing from the Julie Amero saga -- which suggests that they are incapable of learning, as the lessons of that sorry case are quite instructive even to those of lesser intelligence and ability. And it seems that they will persist in their technological ignorance, which will have two direct consequences: first, they will continue to investigate, harass, arrest and prosecute people who are completely innocent; and second, they will continue to do the exact opposite with actual creators of child pornography.
Oh, almost forgot: and third, they will award themselves medals for doing such a fabulous job.
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Dear Mike
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No, I think we've all been Trolled. That's it.
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so if someone rickrolls you with child porn, you'd probably click out immediately, and aren't actually guilty of anything, even though the images are now stored on your computer via the browser's cache.
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How long?
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The Real Problem
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Re: The Real Problem
The rest of these yahoo's seem not to care, based on their flippent attitude about the whole problem, that children's lives are at stake here.
KMA people, better yet. f.o.a.d.
Dan
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So we can trample on human rights becuase... "Think of the children!!!!"
Blow it out your suck hole. People have been using bait and switch to remove humans rights for hundreds of years. Its people like YOU who really scare me, "dan".
Pretty much like the environment, the "danger" (and I guess you can insert whatever fantastic danger you want here, be it abuse, neglect, vaccinations, or auto-immolation) is a bit over-blown.
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Hail Xenu!
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http://img.4chan.org/b/
CP is a running joke there.
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This one is safe,
http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2008/12/robots-have-a-s.html
but there are other sites out there ready to push keyloggers, porn images, adware, trojans, or Trojans . . . you name it.
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All I can see "see child porn, you're a criminal" doing is *preventing* people from reporting child porn they see in the course of their internet usage.
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all this will do is force everyone to use proxies, encrypted tunnels, and erasing tools to make forensics all but impossible for real cases.
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And yet another real problem
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Re: And yet another real problem
You have any hard numbers on exactly how many children are abused (and again, name your abuse I guess; though I think any child abuser would like to know exactly what he is getting locked up for)? How exactly much is the issue not overblown? I just have a real hard time with people judging other people with out hard facts. I have a little metaphor I like to pull out for situation like this.
Ever see the American film Full Metal Jacket? In it a helicopter gunner is shooting randomly at villagers. Actor Matthew Modine looks at him in horror. The gunner explains "Anyone who runs is a VC (Viet Kong). Anyone who doesn't is a good VC."
You are the gunner.
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Re: And yet another real problem
http://www.theage.com.au/national/simpsons-cartoon-ripoff-is-child-porn-judge-20081208-6tm k.html
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Drive Them Deeper Underground
I would think if a guy is really into child porn and knows two cents about computers, all he would have to do is just do a physical in/out swap of his hard drive when he uses porn. Windows format two hard drives, open case, two connections and done. To make it easier, use Linux to copy Windows. Police show up and HD is clean as a whistle (unless he is actually using it while they break down the door.).
Again what is the stop if a guy gets a stolen lap top and uses a public WiFi network to do his downloads. Do these public WiFis have blocks on that.
The point is that if a law came out like that, it would be easy for these guys to get around. It is probably better to be able to track them rather than driving them further underground.
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Re: Drive Them Deeper Underground
Offsite Storage
Linux LIVE CD
They Bust in, reboot, no cache, nothing on any Hard Drives, and Memory is clean
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Worse Damage In Slave Work Shops
Kids involved in child porn, or kids working in a sweatshop slaveshop) making items for American consumers. In child porn the kids are probably smiling, in slavehops probably not. Also probably a lot more kids in slaveshops than involved in child porn.
Maybe we should look at an entire problem instead and get rid of American consumers who are just as much a part of excessive abuse to children as the porn perverts. It is easy to close one's eyes for one situation and yet scream foul in the name of decency in another, yet by doing so, you are nothing but hypocrites.
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Part of the problem with “child pornography” laws is one of definition. Is the work of Sally Mann child pornography? What about David Hamilton? Jock Sturges? Before you say, “Of course not! That’s not what we mean!” remember that the work of all of these artists has been the subject of serious controversy. Mr. Sturges had his photographic equipment and his work seized by the FBI in 1990 (the case was eventually thrown out by a grand jury).
Some readings of the laws of the United States have it that entirely fictional works depicting human beings under age 18 as possessing sexuality — drawings, not photographs, or even written narrative describing fictional sexual encounters involving teenagers — is illegal child pornography. (I don’t have a reference for this at hand; perhaps someone else can help?) The words “child pornography” conjure a picture of despicable evil, but the net cast in practise by authorities and crusaders is much broader.
True abuse of human beings — no need to qualify it as “sexual,” no need to qualify it as “child” — is unacceptable. Why not concentrate on that, instead of on “distribution” and “possession” of what may or may not be the product of abuse?
Frankly, the crusade against “child pornography” strikes me as having little to do with the welfare of children, and much to do with the angst of middle-aged men having a really hard time keeping their hands off their daughters.
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zero tolerance
If that were true, all murders are illegal, right? Even those murders occurring defending yourself against same.
There needs to be a reasonable test in these situations, where "some" common sense can be brought into it and determine if the person is truly a pervert or a victim themselves. Viewing something on the internet unintentionally does not drive demand for it.
Lets not make more victims out of subject matter that generally victimizes the subjects in the matter.
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Re: zero tolerance
I agree that there are a lot of "Christian" fundamentalists and other groups out there who think that legislating morality is some sort of "God's Will" or something like that...but I know that many are very leery of that for good reason - it's stupid. Whether or not it's a specific group of people pushing these senseless ideals, you are correct in that we need someone or something to hold the "crazies" in check.
Funny it is how the crazy people seem to be the ones most motivated to get political office.
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Child porn
When relatively draconian methods are used in ways that are perceived as not warranted, it encourages the action being legislated against!
For example, prohibition was viewed as (and was) an overly extreme, draconian reaction to problem drinking.
The result? Drinking (and criminal behavior) were encouraged by prohibition; the results (organized crime, toleration for criminal behavior) are still with us.
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avoid child porn on net
some countries played porn cartoons in the websites including child porn oriented..
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