High School Girl Arrested For Refusing To Stop Texting In Class

from the whatever-happened-to-school-discipline dept

Thu, Feb 19th 2009 9:35am — Mike Masnick

Thanks to everyone who sent in this story, about a 14-year-old girl in Wisconsin, who apparently refused to stop text messaging in class... and was arrested because of it. Yes, the teacher apparently called the cops, and they arrested her for "disorderly conduct." Obviously, the girl was being insubordinate in class, but isn't that what detention/suspension/etc. rules are for? Calling in the cops (and then having the girl arrested) seems a bit extreme.

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Anonymous Coward, 19 Feb 2009 @ 9:42am

The question is: are school staff allowed to manhandle a student? If not, then calling the cops might've been the only option left...
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Feb 2009 @ 9:54am

There are obviously many relevant facts omitted from the news article, and particularly facts related to why she was arrested for committing a criminal act.
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Feb 2009 @ 10:01am

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What is it about our society that this is such a big problem? When I was in gradeschool, no one ever had to call the cops to deal with a child. If her phone was audible then OK, maybe she was disrupting class and distracting other students, but we weren't little angels ourselves. Why is it that calling the cops on a student is an option at all, let alone one that could seem reasonable to take?
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Feb 2009 @ 10:02am

What's the legal definition of disorderly conduct? Can this actually fly?
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Feb 2009 @ 10:04am

Why the hell do we have cops arresting 14-year-old girls? Surely they have more important things to be doing with their time and our money.
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Michael Whitetail, 19 Feb 2009 @ 10:06am

Lets us not forget the most startling aspect of this:

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/14yearold_student_arrested_for_texting_in_0217.html
In his report, the arresting officer noted that he "had observed that the zipper on [name deleted]'s pants was down," and that "she squirmed in her chair keeping her hands in her lap," while he interviewed her. After told she was being arrested for "not telling us the truth," the officer writes that the girl said "she was not going to stand up to be searched."

"These words alerted me with her zipper open and he [sic] refusal to stand up and be searched she was concealing the phone in her pants," the officer wrote.

Later, the female officer "recover[ed] a Samsung Cricket cell phone from the buttocks area of [name deleted]," and the arresting officer claimed that the girl "was smiling and laughing as Paula told me where she recovered the phone."

If I was this child's parent, I would be raising some hell over a 'body search' of my child for something as minor as denying she had a cell phone.

This is pure lunacy, and I feel strongly that the officers involved need to be reprimanded. There was no call at all for a search of the child's body, especially when the parents weren't notified, present, or otherwise have given consent.
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big tom, 19 Feb 2009 @ 10:07am

next time
well next time why don't they just shoot first and ask questions later.
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Feb 2009 @ 10:16am

Why the hell do we have cops arresting 14-year-old girls? Surely they have more important things to be doing with their time and our money.

If I was this child's parent, I would be raising some hell over a 'body search' of my child for something as minor as denying she had a cell phone.

And yet we wonder why education isn't doing what we want it to do. Maybe the teacher should have just smacked the little brat, but of course, that would have caused lawsuits against the teacher and the school district.
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Ima Fish, 19 Feb 2009 @ 10:18am

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"This is pure lunacy, and I feel strongly that the officers involved need to be reprimanded."

What should be done when a student refuses to stop misbehaving. As others have pointed out, with our lawsuit culture the teacher cannot physically remove the student. The principal cannot touch the student. My wife works in the public schools. Unless the teacher is being physically threatened and has to defend him or herself, they cannot touch a student. Calling the police is the one sure way the school can deflect any blame how the student is treated.

Do you honestly believe that the entire class should just sit and wait for the girl to grow up?

So don't put the blame on the cops or the teacher. The real blame are the parents who would sue a school because a teacher attempted to get their precious little rug-rat to act appropriately.
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Ima Fish, 19 Feb 2009 @ 10:21am

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"Why is it that calling the cops on a student is an option at all, let alone one that could seem reasonable to take?"

Because teachers and administrators are not allowed to touch students in any way unless they are actually being threatened and the teacher is acting solely in self defense.

So what should the class do when a student won't behave? Wait for the student to grow up? Nope, the only real option now is to call the police, who have legal authority to touch the students, and have the student physically removed.

Blame our lawsuit happy culture for this, but don't blame the teachers or the cops. It's not their fault.
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Sunrise FLA, 19 Feb 2009 @ 10:25am

Back in my days, my parents would have whooped my butt if anyone from school would have called to say I was disrupting a class....
Everyone is pissed that the girl got arrested....what happened to the rules.. you're in school to learn...put the damn phone away.!!!!!!
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Ima Fish, 19 Feb 2009 @ 10:25am

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"If I was this child's parent, I would be raising some hell over a 'body search'..."

And you're exactly the cause of this problem. Instead of blaming your daughter for not behaving in class and wasting the entire class' time, you blame the very people who were trying to get her to act appropriately.

It's not the students' fault that schools are so screwed up. It's certainly not the teachers, their hands are tied. It's the fault of parents like you for bitching every time someone tries to teach one of your precious little rug-rats how to behave.
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Ima Fish, 19 Feb 2009 @ 10:27am

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"Back in my days, my parents would have whooped my butt if anyone from school would have called to say I was disrupting a class...."

And that's exactly why schools have to call the police. Teachers are not allowed to do it. Parents refuse to do it. That leaves only the police.
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sunriseFLA, 19 Feb 2009 @ 10:28am

Re: Re:
I totally agree with you Ima Fish.....
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Lonnie E. Holder, 19 Feb 2009 @ 10:34am

Re: Re: Re:
I concur with both sunrise and Ima...texting is already annoying enough with the constant "click-click-click" at a machine gun pace. Having texting going on in class while I am paying attention is a violation of my rights, along with the rights of everyone else trying to learn.

Thank you, Mike, for pointing out how a disruptive student was handled in probably the only manner they could have been.
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Mwhitetail, 19 Feb 2009 @ 10:35am

Re: Re:
You misconstrued my statement. I was in no way attempting to divert blame from the student, nor the parents. What I said very plainly is that strip searching a kid for texting in class goes so beyond what I find morally acceptable as to be pure lunacy. Is that not what I said above?

You and the people who replied you also missed the fact, that the first officer on the scene was a male officer who could, by law, physically remove the teen. No more action on the part of the teacher/administrator was required.

Instead of removing the child, calling her parents and dealing with all 3 of them (assuming a 2 parent household) properly, he called a female officer to strip search the kid. Waayyyyy out of bonds man, at least in a school with a 14 year old.

I mean I could see it if it was a weapons violation, or some kind of death threat, but for a cell phone? No way.

Oh and BTW, I never stated anything about suing the cops, teachers, or school. I just feel that the officers went far beyond what was reasonable for the (very) minor situation and should be reprimanded.... as I said above.
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Feb 2009 @ 10:38am

"Parents refuse to do it."

If the parents do it then the parents go to jail for assaulting a minor.
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Jerry, 19 Feb 2009 @ 10:53am

Texting
Texting is the most idiotic activity of today's youth and it is destroying the English language! Too much can be read into these shortened phrases and I fear our youth will never be able to write a proper sentence..... so sad!
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Feb 2009 @ 10:56am

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...child's body...
This was no child. It was a 14-year-old being a beyotch. Use of the term child in the legal sense is just sensationalization. She knew exactly what she was doing. Now my question is where is the YouTube video of the arrest. There always seems to be one for these types of occasions.
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janice, 19 Feb 2009 @ 10:58am

texting in classroom
Ban cell phones from classrooms, if the kids are using them take them away, they can retrieve them at the end of the day, when it's convenient for the teacher since it disrupted the class. More than one offense give a detention and have the parents come pick it up not the child. Education is being hit by everything; teachers already have an attitude not to go out of their way to teach to the ones whom really don't care. The kids don't care that's why they are texting, too much concern as to what they are missing outside the classroom rather than their education.
I had this problem with my child. I told her to stop texting during school or I would take the phone away. I check the usage online and she knows that I do, she has stopped the texting and her GPA has increased a lot. It all begins at home!
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janice, 19 Feb 2009 @ 10:59am

texting in classroom
Ban cell phones from classrooms, if the kids are using them take them away, they can retrieve them at the end of the day, when it's convenient for the teacher since it disrupted the class. More than one offense give a detention and have the parents come pick it up not the child. Education is being hit by everything; teachers already have an attitude not to go out of their way to teach to the ones whom really don't care. The kids don't care that's why they are texting, too much concern as to what they are missing outside the classroom rather than their education.
I had this problem with my child. I told her to stop texting during school or I would take the phone away. I check the usage online and she knows that I do, she has stopped the texting and her GPA has increased a lot. It all begins at home!
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R. Miles, 19 Feb 2009 @ 11:00am

I see nothing wrong with this.
Calling in the cops (and then having the girl arrested) seems a bit extreme.
Really. What if the girl was asked to leave the class, but refused? Do you think any teacher would grab the student to remove them?

Think, Mike. Every day, school administrators lose the power to deal with abusive students because these students know what they can get away with.

I'm sure every generation thinks teenagers are disruptive and disrespectful, but I'm one to believe this generation of teens are well above this when compared to teens just a decade ago.

This girl knew exactly what she was doing to an administration fearful of a lawsuit.

Throw the book at this stupid girl. She deserves it.
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Feb 2009 @ 11:10am

Re: Re:
What should be done when a student refuses to stop misbehaving. As others have pointed out, with our lawsuit culture the teacher cannot physically remove the student. The principal cannot touch the student. My wife works in the public schools. Unless the teacher is being physically threatened and has to defend him or herself, they cannot touch a student. Calling the police is the one sure way the school can deflect any blame how the student is treated.

do some of the things they did when I used to be 13:

send them to the office, give them in-school-suspension, make them do chores (cleaning up the campus was a common one), give them detention, saturday school, talk to the parents, suspend them, lower their participation grade and if they still won't behave call the parents or guardian to come pick them up and take them home

there are a ton of ways schools can discipline kids without resorting to physical means and the shame of the punishment (or rather the ridicule they'll receive from peers) will only help more.

don't pretend schools are helpless, there is no reason we need to call cops unless the student is being violent.
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Jerry!, 19 Feb 2009 @ 11:12am

Re: I see nothing wrong with this.
Definitely agree with you on this on! Teens today are almost to the point of being "antisocial"! What they all could use would be some good old fashioned ass beatings and grounding!
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Feb 2009 @ 11:19am

Re: I see nothing wrong with this.
Really. What if the girl was asked to leave the class, but refused? Do you think any teacher would grab the student to remove them?

Call the parents and let them man-handle the girl if she absolutely refuses. hell texting isn't that much of a disruption to class so just call security and have them waiting till she has to get up and goto class, lunch, or the bathroom anyway, or she'll sit stubbornly until parents arrive and other students will make fun of her. when she goes home for a day, inform her (and call her parents too) that she needs to come to school on saturday (or after-school detention) to make up for the class time she wasted.

Only narrow minded people think you have to use physical force to keep someone in line.
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sunnyinsd, 19 Feb 2009 @ 11:32am

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Have you thought that this may save the tax-payers money? Maybe this girl will remember this life lesson and be a law abiding citizen as an adult, thus saving the tax payers from having to pay for a trial or prison for a crime that she might commit because of her lack of respect. When kids have a disregard for educators, authority, peers, etc., how do you expect them to function and contribute to society in a healthy way as adults? Perhaps when this kid was told to do something that is within reason, she won't have to think twice about the consequences and do what she is told!
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Feb 2009 @ 11:49am

arrested and strip searched
for texting in class

so she was being disruptive. solution is simple. start with number one and if it doesn't work proceed to the next one.
1) ask her to stop
2) send her to the principal's office
3) call her parents
4) suspend her
5) expell her
6) arrested for trespasing

I read some people say that she is being disruptive and therefore interfereing with your right to learn so she should have been arrested. well should you be arrested when you talk on your cell phone at the grocery store. how about when a fat guy goes sunbathing in the park, or when you cut someone off while driving. those are all really annoying to me and might be interrupting my right to do just about anything. and if you do that you should be arrested.

the real problem here is that everyone way over reacted. there is no excuse for a 14 year old girl being strip searched, arrested, and punished in more ways most likely just for texting. Cops should have much better things to do, and school administrators should know what to do.

No, I'm not saying the girl was in the right here, but it doesn't seem like what she was doing came even close to deserving the punishment she recieved.
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Feb 2009 @ 11:52am

What happen to when you didn't to listen to the teacher they would just send you to the counselor or pricniple and let them deal with it. Usually either inform parents and if that didn't work. Suspension. What the are we doing calling cops to deal with a school issue.
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Feb 2009 @ 11:53am

What happen to when you didn't to listen to the teacher they would just send you to the counselor or pricniple and let them deal with it. Usually either inform parents and if that didn't work. Suspension. What the are we doing calling cops to deal with a school issue.
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Feb 2009 @ 12:02pm

Re:
Are you really that stupid... who's to say the teacher did not already do everything to stop the situation. Teachers don't just call the cops. This situation was obviously one that is extreme or ruining the education of the other 40 students in the class. I would like you see you try to do their job.
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Feb 2009 @ 12:04pm

Re: Re: I see nothing wrong with this.
oh because so many parents are supportive these days. Obviously this girl has a disregard for authority. hmmmm... i wonder who is responsible for that. Oh wait i got it... the parents...
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robert miller, 19 Feb 2009 @ 12:05pm

i think everything was handled just the way it should have been. i wish they would start arresting people for texting while driving. what did we do before cell phones? i just dont know how we survived without them.
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Feb 2009 @ 12:07pm

Her parents neede to be smacked around along with her. If they let her take her phone to school they are as much to blame as her. I hope she is put in jail for a while and her parents have to pay a large fine.
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Feb 2009 @ 12:09pm

"What the are we doing calling cops to deal with a school issue."

Because unfortunately in some areas of this country there are 14 year old kids who deal drugs in school and are involved in gang related crime specifically because they are underage.
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Anonymous12, 19 Feb 2009 @ 12:12pm

Recovering the phone was essential in obtaining proof that she was lying.Mutliple witnesses described her possesion of the object. That and the fact that her pants were unzipped provided probable cause for a search, upon arrest. They could have done the other things described, but the police report CLEARLY states (for those who bothered to READ it), that this was one of many "multiple negative contacts" with the student and the authorities (both school and civil!!).
This incident is the result of a system where you are forced through the laws to do nothing with disruptive students, gang members (just a list of other disruptive people, not a direct comparison!) but be forced to educate them. Since nothing can be done to permanently remove them from the education enviromnment, these are the options.
It seems reasonable that this student has a history, as noted in the report. YES, BTW, people sharing the opinion that this was overboard, in light of the context, and the student's behavioral history, are part of the problem. You take away the tools necessary to teach, and handle disruptions (like permanent home schooling orders as an example) and then complain when the remaining recourse is applied. GET A FREAKING CLUE.
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Dee, 19 Feb 2009 @ 12:13pm

Re: Re:And that's exactly why schools have to call the police. Teachers are not allowed to do it. Parents refuse to do it. That leaves only the police.
Parents refuse to do it?....Are you kidding me, the laws prohibit parents from touching their kids...If her mom was to hit her and she told the police...They would've arrested the parent.
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Anonymous12, 19 Feb 2009 @ 12:15pm

PS I find it highly, highly ironic that the title of this post is subtitled "from the whatever-happened-to-school-discipline dept". If the parents disciplined the kid (and it doesn't have to be with physical violence, it's called raising a child properly), and were not enablers, perhaps the school wouldn't BE in this situation. Can you say "DUH! whatever-happened-to-home discipline-and-common-sense-dept".
Seriously.
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Tooch, 19 Feb 2009 @ 12:16pm

Re: Re:
Well sunnyinsd that's great and all but let's not get carried away and turn into hardcore government status. Yes people need to be tought a lesson but endless enforcement leads to riots. This little Bitch (along with other misbehaving "people" not just kids) needs to just chill off the attitude put the phone away and listen to her frick'in teacher!
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BILL, 19 Feb 2009 @ 12:17pm

Re: Re: Re:
IF SOME BODY WOULD READ WHAT REALLY HAPPEND AND STOP USEING THE OMG WORDS LIKE STRIP SEARCH THEY WOULD KNOW THAT A FEMALE OFFICER WAS CALLED IN TO DO A PAT DOWN AND THE PHONE WAS FOUND AND THE COP WAS A SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER AT THE SCHOOL AND THE CHILD HAD AMPLE TIME AND OPS TO DO THE RIGHT THING BUT DECIDED TO LIE TO A POLICE OFFICER BTW WHICH IS ANOTHER LAW SHE BROKE THIS WHOLE THING WAS RASIED TO SUCH A LEVEL BY AND ONLY BY THE ACTIONS OF THE 14YO BRAT INVOLVED WHO NOW GETS A WEEK OR SO OFF FROM SCHOOL AND MOM AND DAD HAVE TO PAY A FINE THAT WILL BE OVER 300 DOLLARS WHEN SAID AND DONE
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Feb 2009 @ 12:20pm

Re: Re: Re:
Nope, the only real option now is to call the police, who have legal authority to touch the students, and have the student physically removed.

There's good reason for that. I can remember going to public school back when teachers were allowed to use corporal punishment and how it was abused. I had teachers who would administer such punishment to students for academic reasons, such as turning homework in late, and coaches who would administer it to whoever came in last in a group run ("incentive", you know). It was also sometimes used to beat confessions out of students (and I'm talking about even elementary students). Back then the courts would not interfere in such "internal school matters" so you could forget a lawsuit. It's good that things have changed.

Blame our lawsuit happy culture for this, but don't blame the teachers or the cops. It's not their fault.

No, blame abusive, violent, "paddle happy" teachers. It IS their fault.
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BILL, 19 Feb 2009 @ 12:21pm

Re: arrested and strip searched
Once again some one useing the push button words stirp search when it was a pat down by a female officer after the 14 yo had been given mant chances to hand over the phone
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OMG, 19 Feb 2009 @ 12:21pm

Parent's need to beat her A**!!!!!
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Tooch, 19 Feb 2009 @ 12:22pm

Re: Re: arrested and strip searched
That's the whole thing though. It makes it sound better to get stupid-ass people to take the girl's side. It's wrong; wrong I say!
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Karen, 19 Feb 2009 @ 12:22pm

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I agree. Kids are supposed to be paying attention in school. Our tax money is not paying for them to be chatting with their friends! I think that cell phones should be BANNED from classrooms...if there is an emergency, the school office can be called and the child notified. There is absolutely NO reason a child should have a cell phone during school. And with all the "protection" laws in effect, teachers and parents aren't even allowed to correct children without fear of a law suit. I think the teacher's actions were justified, I know how frustrated I get when there is texting going on when I am trying to concentrate on learning or even watching a movie at the theatre.
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John Cochran, 19 Feb 2009 @ 12:24pm

Prior history.....
I suspect that one of the reasons it went as far as it did is that the girl in question is a habitual trouble maker. Take note of the line:

The student XXXXX (w/f 6-23-94) is known to me and the administration based on prior negative contacts.

Given that this isn't the girl's first contact with the police, I can see things going a lot further than what I would expect for a first offense.
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Tooch, 19 Feb 2009 @ 12:25pm

*Strip search* HAH.

What did they put on some dance music and make her dance as well?!
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smiley, 19 Feb 2009 @ 12:39pm

response to texting in class
i agree that was a bit extreme. I think the school should have dealt with the matter. Here in Georgia, the teacher take the phone up and the parent has to come up to the school in order to get it back. Also, the student goes to in school suspension (punishment).
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fprintf, 19 Feb 2009 @ 12:42pm

Looks like Bill could have paid a little more attention in school himself.
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R. Miles, 19 Feb 2009 @ 12:52pm

Re: Re: I see nothing wrong with this.
Only narrow minded people think you have to use physical force to keep someone in line.
You can't be this daft.

So, I guess police should toss their handcuffs in the trash and hope for the best?

You don't get it, do you? Some people have no regard to others and force is the only thing remaining.

Want to see proof? Just walk into any Walmart and look for a mother with an uncontrollable kid. You can watch as she loses all ability to communicate and must resort to physical force for control.

Sorry, but I must disagree with your statement.
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Feb 2009 @ 12:55pm

Now how is the teacher supposed to take the phone when it is up her butt? That I would like to see. (but not in a child porn way)

Is that a phone in your dress or are you just glad to see me?
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Tooch, 19 Feb 2009 @ 12:59pm

Too true.. Like I said people need to be controlled; but at the same time we can't go all out Hamorabi!
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Tooch, 19 Feb 2009 @ 12:59pm

Excuse me. "Hammurabi"
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Tooch, 19 Feb 2009 @ 1:06pm

Hmm.. Maybe the best thing to do is to kick out all of the dumb people from a state and we can all move there! I declare it Smartville where everything is just and everyone can get on with his or her life? Things like rape, murder, and texting whilest in class will be a thing in the past!
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Tooch, 19 Feb 2009 @ 1:12pm

*BTW* On lighter note one of my favorite codes is "141: If a man's wife, who lives in his house, wishes to leave it, plunges into debt [to go into business], tries to ruin her house, neglects her husband, and is judicially convicted: if her husband offer her release, she may go on her way, and he gives her nothing as a gift of release. If her husband does not wish to release her, and if he take another wife, she shall remain as servant in her husband's house."
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teacher, 19 Feb 2009 @ 1:17pm

Re:
What you are not looking at is that the girl was asked repeatedly to stop texting. Cell phones are not allowed in the classroom. Why is it so difficult for students to follow the rules? If you ask a student a simple request, like please stop texting....then they should stop texting. Simple as that.....aren't they in school to learn. How can learning take place when they are not paying attention in the classroom but texting.
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retired guy, 19 Feb 2009 @ 1:19pm

Re: body earch ? ?
Michael , dear boy , you are part of the problem .
Thi young lady i a self indulgent brat , a sneak and exudes direpect for her peer and her teacher .
You youngster jut don't get it , do you .
Behave or drop out . Other kid don't need the ditraction and diruptions of the egomaniacs like the texting lass .
Enough of my time wasted . Good luck .
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Tooch, 19 Feb 2009 @ 1:24pm

Yes, I am quite tired of the egomaniacs myself; however America runs on these people so I don't know what to say? Personally I am the most chill guy out there (notice the irony?) People I don't know actually ask if I just smoked a bowl.. Anyway All I'm trying to say is PEOPLE GET OVER YOURSELF and DO WHAT YOU ARE TOLD!
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Tony, 19 Feb 2009 @ 1:25pm

texting arrest
When do you stop catering to teens who sre disrepectful, arrogant with a I don't give damn attitude? Send a message the gets their attention. Arrest was the right move.
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Tooch, 19 Feb 2009 @ 1:29pm

Yes, an arrest was nice but people seem to think that after an arrest the person(s) involved are locked away for life; this is simply not true and I also think that it is because of this fact that people get up in arms.
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Tooch, 19 Feb 2009 @ 1:34pm

Well I'm done with this topic laterz.
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John, 19 Feb 2009 @ 1:35pm

Why wasn't the girl just simply sent to the principals office??? The teacher is out of line and so is the police officer. She should have been sent to the principals office, which is the proper chain of command, this we all know. And the principal should have made their decision on how to handle the matter. This seems quite clear to me.
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Michael Long, 19 Feb 2009 @ 1:43pm

Re: Re: Re:
Who said she was "strip searched"? A simple pat-down by the female officer in question could have found the phone. And did.

So save the righteous indignation.
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Robert, 19 Feb 2009 @ 1:45pm

cell phones
Good!!!!! The cell phone should have never been out, during class time... Poor teachers as if their job is not hard enough already. Some of these kids have no respect and learn this from their parents. I was in a classroom were kids said , " my daddy is going to kick your a'' " . What is a teacher to do than.This is just one of many things they have to go through.
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Michael Long, 19 Feb 2009 @ 1:46pm

What phone?
Apparently she hide the phone and denied its existence. "What phone?"

As such, I'd say that when she attempts to get it back the teacher should stare at her blankly and say, "What phone?"
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John, 19 Feb 2009 @ 1:50pm

The teacher is supposed to send the child to the principals office, not call the police. This was handled inappropriately.
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Feb 2009 @ 2:07pm

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um, so nothing about that the "child" (at 14 now a days I don't think so) was so brash as to hide the phone in her underwear? That is a normal reaction for a 14 year old young lady? Not in my day it wasn't. Angels or not, we wouldn't have dreamnt to do that.
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cal, 19 Feb 2009 @ 2:17pm

14 year old arrested for texting
I am from the old school where the fear was put into you by your parents. If you got out of line you faced the consequences. You were subjects to many butt whoopings first at school then by both your parents. This is one of the reasons I could not be a teacher because your authority means nothing to this younger generation. You did not disrespect any elders at all. I truly believe spare the rod spoil the child. The laws all need to be ammended and allow parents to teach them the art of respect. If a child of mine misbehaves they know the repercutions. They can call the law all they want to but when I get out they will get it again twice as hard.
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Feb 2009 @ 2:17pm

If she was my kid she would be praying the cops picked her before I did!
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Feb 2009 @ 2:23pm

FUD
Read the report. She was arrested because she lied to the police officer, repeatedly, and has in the past repeatedly been a problem.
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bulljustin, 19 Feb 2009 @ 2:29pm

Re: Re: I see nothing wrong with this.
Only narrow minded people think you have to use physical force to keep someone in line.
Only narrow minded people think physical force is completely unnecessary. Humans understand why they shouldn't do something when it is explained to them. Animals do not understand until they are shown what will happen when they don't obey. Employers can fire an animal when they stop performing. Teachers still have to try to educate them. The only legal recourse for a teacher whose animal student refuses to learn is to escalate it to one who is empowered to enforce punishment.

As for parents not being able to discipline their children, they have a religious freedom defense.
- Proverbs 13:24 He who keeps back his rod is unkind to his son: the loving father gives punishment with care.
- Proverbs 19:18 Give your son training while there is hope; let not your heart be purposing his death.
- Proverbs 22:15 Foolish ways are deep-seated in the heart of a child, but the rod of punishment will send them far from him.
- Proverbs 23:13 Do not keep back training from the child: for even if you give him blows with the rod, it will not be death to him.
- Proverbs 29:15 The rod and sharp words give wisdom: but a child who is not guided is a cause of shame to his mother.
- Proverbs 29:17 Give your son training, and he will give you rest; he will give delight to your soul.
Obviously this teenager's parents don't love her.
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Sos, 19 Feb 2009 @ 2:37pm

Two words...
...faraday cage
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m3mnoch (profile), 19 Feb 2009 @ 2:39pm

Re:
wtf? you think the cops should be reprimanded?

i think the kid's parents should be arrested too -- for sucking at parenting. if that were my child, i would be mortified at her behavior and she would have absolute hell to pay when she returned home -- if i didn't just leave her ass in jail for a week or two.

it's people like you that perpetuate this stupid penchant of today's youth and their rampant disrespect of authority. we're not talking about a few "rebels" anymore. it's systemic and goddamn irritating as a fellow parent.

if i can get my 4 year-old to behave well enough to where my wife and i get compliments all the time as to how polite, friendly and well-behaved he is, you can teach your damn kid not to text in class.

goddamn embarrassing.

m3mnoch.
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m3mnoch (profile), 19 Feb 2009 @ 2:43pm

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um. no.

the big difference is when you and i were children, we obeyed. you get sent to the principal's office? you went.

these days, the kids just say "no" because they know the teachers can't physically make them.

m3mnoch.
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hegemon13, 19 Feb 2009 @ 2:50pm

Re: Texting
That's a bit silly. That is the same thing as claiming that a bilingual individual is incapable of writing a proper sentence due to their "corruption" by another language. It is perfectly possible to use separate writing styles when texting and drafting a grant proposal.

Heck, I write technically all day long, then go home and write fiction. Anyone who has tried both understands that they are two completely different worlds. However, neither "destroys" the other. It is all a matter of context.
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Lindsay S., 19 Feb 2009 @ 3:26pm

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My friend and I already have this idea. I think we'll sue you for infringement (hahaha, just kidding)

Seriously though, take all the dumb/terrible people and move them to Australia and rename it "Dumbassville". Then the rest of the population (the whole 5% left) can share the rest of the world in peace, and it shall be declared "Smartassville" (see? I'm creative)
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Feb 2009 @ 3:34pm

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Why wasn't the girl just simply sent to the principals office???

She wouldn't go.
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Hoeppner, 19 Feb 2009 @ 4:32pm

She lied to a police officer. Nothing to see here just people incapable of surviving in society.
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Jesse, 19 Feb 2009 @ 4:55pm

I'm surprised they didn't label her a terrorist. It is Wisconsin after all.
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hall monitor, 19 Feb 2009 @ 5:11pm

wild!
This story made http://detentionslip.org ! Voted Top 25 blogs by TIME.
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Fry her..., 19 Feb 2009 @ 6:34pm

She doesn't need a phone in class. Take her straight to the gallows and teach those idiots a lesson!
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Uncle Paul, 19 Feb 2009 @ 8:24pm

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I'd be happy to teach that girl a lesson for free.
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DS, 19 Feb 2009 @ 8:27pm

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That's why a lot of schools are moving to have a SRO, or School Resident Officer. That way, when a police officer breaks up a fight, it's due to legal reasons. When a teacher does it, they are a 'loose cannon'.
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DS, 19 Feb 2009 @ 8:28pm

Re:
Thanks for not reading. The teacher called the resident officer, who they should have called.
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DS, 19 Feb 2009 @ 8:32pm

Re: arrested and strip searched
Better yet,

1. Tell her to stop
2. If she refuses, call the SRO, and have them deal with the trouble maker. Because that's what the SRO is there to do.

Oh wait, that's what they did.
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DS, 19 Feb 2009 @ 8:34pm

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Nobody "called the Cops", except in they "Hey, Officer (insert name), come on over here.". It's not like the teacher dialed 911 to send out a siren call.

But that would require reading on your part, so I understand why it's hard to understand things.
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Michael Whitetail, 19 Feb 2009 @ 9:01pm

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It says Body search, and that they found *and* removed the phone from her buttocks area. Did they transport it startrek style through her jeans? No the female office retrieved it by having the subject remove her pants.

If it was a simple pat-down, then the male officer could do it legally if a witness was present to verify he didn't sexually molest the student.
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Michael Whitetail, 19 Feb 2009 @ 9:10pm

Re: Re: body earch ? ?
Please atleast attempt to spell a bit better, it would make your post much easier to read. Im no spelling saint, but I do try.

In rebuttal, I didn't once shift the blame of the deed off of the child, nor her parents. I think that the parents are just as responsible as the daughter here, and her behaviour and subsquent lying to the police *should* have landed her in the local juvenile detention center.

What I find reprehensible is that a female officer was called, and the 14 year old child was striped, at least as far down as her underwear, and searched in 'her buttocks area' because she denied having a cell phone. Searched without the parents/gaurdians even being present or contacted!
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Michael Whitetail, 19 Feb 2009 @ 9:13pm

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Yes, reprimanded for strip searching a 14 year olds "buttocks area" without the parents present or even contacted. This is over a cell phone, not a biological agent, gun, or knife.

In my opinion the kid should have gone to jail, and the parents fined, but the conduct of the cops I seriously call into question. A 'body search' and retrival of items from the 'buttocks area' is overkill for this situation.
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anon, 19 Feb 2009 @ 10:53pm

constitution protects us from illegal search and seizure?
what was the legal bases for giving her a pat down again?
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John, 20 Feb 2009 @ 6:22am

The comment about the girl being arrested for not disclosing her cell phone actually makes me think something is wrong with people. This is a cell phone, not a weapon. She got arrested for text messaging. Hello??? You send the girl home from school and suspend her if she is disruptive. You don't arrest a student for text messaging. You don't search a student for text messaging. And you don't arrest a student for lying about not having a CELL PHONE!!!! Let me say it again... a CELL PHONE!!!! Send her home, don't throw her in the slammer. This is so absurd. Next students will get arrested for not paying attention and cracking jokes, teachers will call it disruptive and call the cops.
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Crabby (profile), 20 Feb 2009 @ 7:09am

Re: Re: Re:
"make them do chores"

OMG! You'll ruin their self-esteem!
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RoyalWitCheese, 20 Feb 2009 @ 8:55am

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasonable_suspicion

See School Section

With 3 people verifying that she DID indeed have a cell phone, it is a Probable Cause situation, which is over and above the Reasonable Suspicion that is required before performing a search of a student.

Police have the right to a pat down search anyone they stop on the basis of protecting the officer's safety. (The search is performed for finding weapons, not contraband, but if they feel something on your person that they cannot identify as being a weapon or not, they can ASK you to produce said unidentifiable item for them. You have the right to deny producing the item, at which time the officers MAY deem it grounds for a Probable cause search, which would include a strip search)
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RoyalWitCheese, 20 Feb 2009 @ 9:08am

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Obviously you failed to read the linked article and even failed to read the original post where it's stated

- and they arrested her for "disorderly conduct." -

NOT for texting that you seem to have gleened from both of the articles.

Your comment confirms your belief that there is "Something wrong with people"
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RoyalWitCheese, 20 Feb 2009 @ 9:23am

On a further note...
After being told she was suspended, and that she would be charged with trespassing if she came onto school property during her suspension, she violated the orders and now has 2 trespassing tickets.

Also her parents believe the school was within it's rights to do what they did and support their decision.
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me, 20 Feb 2009 @ 10:33am

Re: Re: Re: body earch ? ?
You need to try better. It is 'at least'(two words), 'I' apostrophe 'm', 'behavior'.
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Bill In Salem, NY, 20 Feb 2009 @ 11:56am

She did not get arrested for not stopping the texting
OK, I will admit I have not read the thread, but in case it has not been said.

She wouldn't stop texting, then told the teacher she did not have a cell phone (which is contraband in the school anyway).

No one called the cops. The school resource officer had to get involved because of the girl's continued disuption of class.

It was the police who made the decision to charge her, because what she was doing met the definition of disorderly conduct.
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Anonymous Coward, 20 Feb 2009 @ 4:36pm

does the cops being technically able to do something make it right?
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Yenta4renta, 20 Feb 2009 @ 6:22pm

oy
14 year olds suck
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bob, 20 Feb 2009 @ 8:04pm

I feel for the teacher
This is an interesting item and what it comes down to is the students disciplinary history and the student/parent/teacher relationship if any.
In a time where the parent does nothing about their child's poor behavior.
Where tossing the kid out of school only causes the school to lose funding and most if not all the forms of punishment are laughed off by the student.
Where the teacher is scrutinized for their own actions is it any wonder the cops get called?
After reading the SG article I would have to side with the teacher and the police.
To answer anonymous coward 97 the answer is yes.
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Anonymous Coward, 21 Feb 2009 @ 9:24am

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She is in high school. The cop was probably assigned to the building anyway.
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Bob Parker, 23 Feb 2009 @ 4:48am

bu11$hit
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Anonymous Coward, 23 Feb 2009 @ 8:06pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
"If it was a simple pat-down, then the male officer could do it legally if a witness was present to verify he didn't sexually molest the student."

Most male officers still prefer to have a female officer do it if at all possible.
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josh woodall, 24 Feb 2009 @ 8:56am

thats gay why get aressted i do it and my grades are fine.
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easygoing t, 26 Feb 2009 @ 1:21pm

children have it to easy
I think that calling the police was the right because had the teacher taken it then you would have had a fight on your hand.Where do we go from here our kids are running out of control.the systems says no corpal punishment but we will build new jail just to house them so just give them a little more time and we the juvnile systems will give them a great place and life
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Simon Veloz, 26 Feb 2009 @ 1:44pm

Texting addicts!!
i think txt messaging is gone way to crazy with everyone...its become a neccesity and a part of these peoples social life
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A teen, 1 Mar 2009 @ 8:53pm

Ok first off calling the cops isn't necessary. Second some of you jackass adults wanna give kids criminal records for texting in class. Third if the kid is texting they don't care take that away they'll find something else to occupy their attention. Fourth she was disrupting the class because the dumbass teacher wouldn't get off the subject and continue with the lesson.
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hariz hasanovic, 3 Mar 2009 @ 9:12pm

Re: Re:
Of course she should let the girl just sit there and be on her phone its th girls choice if she does not want to get an education and if shes not completely distracting the class(which she was not because she was texting not yelling and running around the classroom)

Calling the cops because a girl was texting in class is insane if you really want her out of there that bad and u can here her little fingers clicking each button while shes texting u could call her parents
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alondra, 10 Mar 2009 @ 1:25pm

stupid
i think that. that was retarted who calls the cops just because you don't want to stop txting in my school they would just call your parents and send you to the psr room (problem solving room)
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Megan, 10 Mar 2009 @ 1:51pm

Yeah because holding an entire class and watching the girl get taken away from the police couldn't have made the class any more disrupted...

In my high school anyone caught texting has their phone taken away by a teacher and they have to get it at the end of the day.

Calling the police is unnecessary.

Strip-searching a 14-year old...
extremely unnecessary.
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kylekarma, 15 Mar 2009 @ 10:40am

are you fricking kidding me?

seriously?

"she needs to grow up"

uhm...everyone uses cell phones, as a student..it's stupid to even prohibit texting, calling sure...its disrupting a class

but what REALLY disrupts the class are the dumbass teachers wasting time yelling at a kid to put their phone away, even if they're hiding it.

it's the student's decision if they want to fail or not...I have almost straight A's and i text in class, because i don't get as bored so i do my work.

if kids are bored they're less likely to be productive.

bleh.
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Ron, 25 Mar 2009 @ 12:21pm

Rights.
What is America coming to? School is bad enough but having to have ur rights trampled upon is a bit absurd. Id walk out of that school after telling them where to go. Better, have the whole school not show up. I quit HS after this kind of crap. Home schooling is better.
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mariann, 21 Apr 2009 @ 7:07am

teacher reading text.
My son recently got caught texting in school and the teacher took it upon himself to read the text message. I'm wondering if they should have the right to read messages as the could far enough back to read other message that they can read. Has anyoone had this happen
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Mixx.Prissi, 29 Apr 2009 @ 8:33am

This is just ridiculous. I mean seriously a cell phone,the teacher could have sent her to detention or simply just away from the class. To have a 14 year old arrested was simply just stupid and foolish. I think the teachers feelings toward the girl may have been way more personal...
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corinna, 6 May 2009 @ 6:55am

omq!!!
no wayy jose!!!
how iz dat possibe!!
tha teacher needs to qet a life(:
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sara, 6 May 2009 @ 7:00am

bish dittude
omfg!!!

tht stupid teacher i should get my possy nd go cut the bitch!
bc so wt if ppl text in class.. she cant act like she has never text/

she ws probopply fukkin relly PMS'EN bc she s trippin nd cops re dumb obiously becuse tht relly is a stupid reon to arrest omeone he surey just liked her or something..
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IAGREE, 7 May 2009 @ 6:31pm

Re: Re: Re:
I can't believe all the comments out there about this child. She was a defiant brat and needed a lesson learned. Coming from a home with parents as teachers I totally agree that their hands are tied. They are expected to discipline with limited resources and get reprimanded by "bad parents" who cant control their children. If I was the parent of this child I would insist on having her go to jail and then when released she would wish that she stayed in jail. The problem with everyone else in this blog is....they are part of the problem...blaming the teachers and police..Give me a break
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Anonymous Coward, 7 May 2009 @ 6:38pm

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Obviously you are a student...School is for education not texting...School is required to ascertain that you won't become an dependent on the government and will be a viable productive citizen...not texting.
Maybe if you paid for school,which you would need to someday get a job and or welfare it would be a different story.
I would charge you the most for being the most stupid
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Anonymous Coward, 7 May 2009 @ 6:39pm

Re: bish dittude
REAL Smart
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Ryan, 11 May 2009 @ 6:49am

Re: bish dittude
Case in point.
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Girls Schools (profile), 1 Sep 2009 @ 5:26am

Girls Schools Courses
I read some people say that she is being disruptive and therefore interfereing with your right to learn so she should have been arrested. What is it about our society that this is such a big problem? When I was in grade school, no one ever had to call the cops to deal with a child. If her phone was audible then OK, maybe she was disrupting class and distracting other students, but we weren't little angels ourselves. Professional schools for girls promote best practices, exciting activities, and sponsor academic conferences with a focus on girls and their learning aptitude.
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jennifer, 3 Nov 2009 @ 7:47am

texting
texting is fun!!!! but it is a problem in school
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wwwjusticeforteensorg, 17 Nov 2009 @ 9:23am

I've got one for you--ARRESTED FOR CUSSING
Read our story at www.justiceforteens.org. My son was arrested in school and charged by the SRO, not the school, with 'disorderly conduct' for refusing to turn over his cell phone when he checked the time on it and then cussing under his breathe when he walked away from the teacher, SRO, and Asst. Principal after the bell rang and kids were filling the hallways. School policy is not to use the phones during the hours of 8:20-3:30. They don't even have to be using them. If they are seen, they are demanded and accused of using them whether they have used them or not. A lot of 'assumptions' are being made by school staff when they see the phones. I'm sorry, do they not have anything better to do. Oh wait, petition the board for $$ for a new gym although the students only have, barely, 1 set of textbooks to use in the classroom.
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travis cobler, 21 Dec 2009 @ 8:34am

crap
that is bullcrap. if i refuse to do something i just get suspended
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christinaaaaa, 11 Jan 2010 @ 7:49am

omg sobstuipiulk,.kidfui'eip
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Nafran, 15 Jan 2010 @ 10:54pm

those cops should be shot dead casue they are goin 2 fuckin search someone for that they cant do that syt to me imma fuckin kill them or either their family fuckin ass holes cops
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Tiffany Miler, 21 Jan 2010 @ 12:39pm

fucked up
thats just plain bs i am so sick of teachers...ugh i am mad now
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Anonymous Coward, 16 Feb 2010 @ 8:11am

i think that we should b able to text in school if there is nothing is going on and you have no work to do.. i think that girl should NEVER have gotten arrested
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Automobilie, 28 Feb 2010 @ 4:41am

Re: next time
Amen!
BAM! Where's your pho......crap.......
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Anonymous Coward, 17 Mar 2010 @ 12:05pm

Re: Re:
umm hello? shes 14 years old getting searched. Thats wrong.
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Kayla McMurray, 25 Mar 2010 @ 6:39am

wow
this is stupid why would they arrest her in school teachers suck dickkkkkk dawg.
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kayla Mcmurray, 25 Mar 2010 @ 6:41am

Re:
I AGREEEE!!!!!!!!
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nck, 4 Apr 2010 @ 5:33pm

Why didn't the teacher just take the phone away...

what the hell is wrong with him?
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val, 20 Apr 2010 @ 1:05pm

texting in school
that is the stupidist thing i have heard... it shouldn't be banned anyway
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Anonymous Coward, 6 May 2010 @ 8:23am

tht is waayy to extream tht teacher needs to get her shit strauight
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Anonymous Coward, 6 May 2010 @ 8:24am

tht is waayy to extream tht teacher needs to get her shit strauight
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lol, 26 May 2010 @ 11:58am

lol
ha that is very funny never knew that would one day come that is very funny lolololololololololol
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Julia, 15 Feb 2011 @ 10:03am

I do say that is really extrem to have some one be arrested for refusing to stop texting in class. they should comprimise and say that texting is only allowed walking from class and in lunch rooms and in study halls but not when there is an actuall class going on!
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Anonymous Coward, 15 Mar 2011 @ 8:22am

like why would the girls teacher call the cops and get her arrested just because she was texting in class.At least give her a suspension or detention. that was wrong and thats not right at all i feel bad for the girl that must of been a mean teacher.
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nameless, 16 Mar 2011 @ 5:39am

Why didn't the school deal with it themselves, but call the cops? Will someone explain that to me?
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tomas, 28 Mar 2011 @ 6:53am

texting
Texting should be allowed in school because it's not like we are breaking the law.
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Kevin, 25 Apr 2011 @ 2:11pm

Re: Texting
Jerry, texting will not affect the way teens write sentences when they are supposed to. They don't just forget proper english by texting. Suggesting that is more idiotic that the act of texting itself. You're typing right now. It's the same thing. When you want to send a point across quickly you cut down the words. That doesn't mean they don't know how to type words normally. Texting is very convienient for when you need to discuss something without disrupting everyone around you, or when you need to discuss something privatly. No one wants to have to leave the room everytime they need to contact someone.
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Anonymous Coward, 25 Feb 2012 @ 10:32am

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obviously your not a teacher
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