Why Are Newspapers Exploiting The People They Cover?
from the questions,-questions... dept
When we recently wrote about yet another journalist complaining about how Google exploits their content, someone in the comments made a really salient point that should get wider exposure. If you go by the journalist's own logic, then the truth is that they are exploiting the newsmakers they cover. After all, it's really the newsmakers who are "creating" the story, and all the journalists are doing is writing up an account of it, for commercial purposes, and not rewarding the newsmakers who make their jobs possible in the first place. Journalists have been freeriding on the backs of the people who actually make the news for too long! I think it's time that everyone who is in a news story start standing up for their rights, and demanding that journalists pay them to stop this free riding. Perhaps some newsmakers will band together and create a new consortium, where journalists can just pay a one time regular subscription fee, to be divided up among newsmakers, based on who makes the most news. Yeah... that's the ticket...
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Yup
The same applies to any industry. I pay for a song; why does the RIAA never send me a check for introducing three of my friends to the artist and causing them to become paying fans? It is such a one-way mentality. Greed drives the industry.
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(I keed, I keed! Kinda. :) )
As flippant as this question is, it's actually a good one, and there are some good answers.
First, I imagine that many journalists do pay for news, at least sometimes. At one of my favorite bastions of journalism, the Enquirer, it's probably more common than not. Is it against journalistic integrity requirements to pay informants or sources? If not in money, than in, I dunno, dinner?
I imagine that some newsmakers demand compensation, too. Octomom has it right - want an interview? She probably wants $500. Or a reality show. Or both.
Newsmaking is a funny idea, it's not like too many people get up in the morning and intend to create news. A lot of news just sort of happens. Most inadvertent "newsmakers" (the guy living next door to a murder victim?) will get get paid in novelty factor and by fifteen seconds of fame. I also imagine that journalists have to ensure that they keep the cost on the newsmakers sufficiently low. Even a deliberate newsmaker (say, Steve Jobs) wouldn't tolerate an incessant reporter taking up half his day.
People are also bad at assessing the value of infrequent things. What is the value of a five-minute interview about the guy who got murdered next door? It has some indirect value to the advertisers who buy time in between segments on the nightly news. It would take the interviewee more time to negotiate the cost and then get the check issued than it'd ever be worth in dollars. Overhead costs would kill you in this model.
People get better and better at assessing the value of frequent events, though. Let's say that a local reporter takes a shine to you and wants to use you as the local expert on moose, whenever a moose-related story comes up. Let's say this happens once a week.
Maybe the first week you do it for the novelty factor. It's fun to get all dressed up and be on camera looking smart.
The second week you do it because it makes you feel good to be on TV and your friends call to congratulate you.
The third week it's getting to be a pain in the ass, but you do it because you think being a little bit famous will make the rest of your life better somehow, so you're willing to invest the five minutes as a sunk cost.
The fourth week, you find out that actually, this is kind of a drag, and it's not making your life better, but you do it out of guilt.
The fifth week, you find out that the local news affiliate is selling your five-minute clip to the network for $500.
By the sixth week, you're probably asking for $100 for your trouble.
Are you gonna get your $100? Depends on how much trouble the journalist will have finding a replacement moose expert, I guess.
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Thanks for the grins.
"People are also bad at assessing the value of infrequent things."
This is a problem for frequent things too, like news itself.
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Possible source of this perspective
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Need an ASCAP to count and enforce performancing rights especially in the blogosphere, since those folks have no idea what pressure newsmakers are under to produce the next quote.
Need to setup a royalty board to count usage in Network vs Out network for billing like the mobile phone company.
Need an organization like Newsmaker Industrial Academy of America, NIAA, to protect your rights.
Of course newspapers can join for redistribution like the AP...
Part of this money can go to The Old Newsmakers Home, so that when your Newsmaker/Dunbar number drops, we can find you to wheel you out a few years from now when we have a "Remember When" Tribute tweet a thon.
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Even Worse
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It's not funny when it lands you in court.
For example, NBC and the GMC gas tank incident
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I'm a wet blanket
Technically, newscritters are paid for their original work, the actual writing, the specific expression that appears in the paper (or TV, radio, whatever). The people making the news could, theoretically, write the news up themselves and get paid the same as the newscritters.
Reprinting someone else's expression of an event is different in kind from writing, in your own words, something that you have learned about.
Ugh, a double wet blanket! I appear to be defending the newscritters (and I suppose, in the specific instance, I am), but really, my heart is not with the copyright abusers at all. I swear. I feel a little dirty.
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Re: I'm a wet blanket
Personally, I think this post any many others is less about IP rights and more like the Roman coliseum viewers who simply loved to cheer at the victims of torture. It is crass and base voyeurism, not true social commentary.
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Feelinf Suckered!
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Re: Re: I'm a wet blanket
What (specifically) are you going on about?
Or is it sarcasm, I cant tell.
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Re: I'm a wet blanket
Now let's apply that same principle to, say, someone selling "bootleg" music recordings.
Technically, bootleggers are paid for their original work, the actual bootlegging, the specific encoding that appears in the recording. The people making the music could, theoretically, record the music themselves and get paid the same as the bootleggers.
See how that works?
Reprinting someone else's expression of an event is different in kind from writing, in your own words, something that you have learned about.
Ah, but if you're using your own words then you're NOT reprinting someone else's expression, you're printing your own. Now you may both be using the same information but neither one of you created that in the first place either.
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'journalists'
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If someone pays for music, at least sometimes, does that make the times that they don't OK?
Is it against journalistic integrity requirements to pay informants or sources?
Informants and sources don't create the news anymore than second-hand car salesmen create cars.
Newsmaking is a funny idea, it's not like too many people get up in the morning and intend to create news. A lot of news just sort of happens.
That could sometimes be said of musicians as well. In fact, sometimes they come up with songs even before they get up in the morning. I know I have and Paul McCartney has claimed that one of his most famous songs, "Yesterday", came to him in his sleep. Now, I doubt that he went to sleep the night before intending to do write it in his sleep. It "just sort of happened". Would you say that he didn't deserve ownership since it was unintentional? Is it still "a funny idea"?
Many scientific discoveries are also made serendipitously while the discoverer was looking for something entirely different. In other words, they were unintentional. Is it "a funny idea" to give them ownership?
Most inadvertent "newsmakers" (the guy living next door to a murder victim?)...
You're still confused. The news creator was the murderer, not the guy living next door (unless he was also the murderer) or even any witnesses.
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THIS!!
Ahem, from http://techdirt.com/articles/20090413/1122214481.shtml?threaded=true
"I wrote the story based on the original report, which turned out to be missing some facts which were filled in in the comments. That's the point of the blog posts I write..."
Yet, somehow this one comment actually deserved a "correction" so you could jab newspapers one more time!?!?
Heaven forbid you actually try to get to the truth. Time to wake up.
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Copyright is becoming nonsense
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Re: I'm a wet blanket
JohnFen wrote:
But that’s still only copying from the actual events that the actual people lived through. Who else should own the copyright on a life, if not the person who lives that life?
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IT wishlist
WSJ is seemingly backwards. At WSJ, you need to be a member to contribute, and feedback in the form of comments or letters to the editor, are often more important in the newsroom for additional news leads. Even WaPO recently discovered this.
But from the business side, obviously, if a free customer is accessing the same content 5-10 times, they like what you wrote, they probably wouldn't mind ponying up $10-$25/mo to get access to the same story. How can we walk them into the decision of being a regular print or online subscriber with full access?
But most importantly, don't jeopardize contributor trust. Often, contributor commentary is done in the moment, as I'm sure those who do hard-hitting journalism know. Rupert Murdoch knows that controversy sells. It sells his papers, it sells his news networks. Sometimes you need to be controversial, but also allow conversation.
Should you allow conversation on the website, perhaps commentary from 3rd parties should be available for a limited amount of time, let's just say say 14 days. After that, comments should be accessible to companies for a fee.
Let's say comments are worth $1,500 or more per article.
Understand that at this point, those asking for comments are perhaps from a consulting company or otherwise, and may be willing to pay any amount you ask.
But as part of the offer, the requester should be able to receive city/state of each commentary, but that's it.
Next, Keep commentary private and un-viewable from public search engines after the 14 days to protect your contributors from libel issues. You need the comments, but no one needs a libel suit.
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IT wishlist
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Re: Feelinf Suckered!
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Re: THIS!!
So your point is not relevant to the discussion at hand.
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Journalist or Pundant
A "journalist" reporting a story with their "own logic" is a pundant. The story is no longer pure. It has been tainted by said "logic".
Do I think a true news organization should pay a criminal for the reporting of their activities, NO. Or, pay a government for reporting their activities, NO. How about a famous entertainer going to dinner or buying a new mansion, maybe.
Point is, I like knowing that there is a unbiased public record of the served community and THAT is the local newspapers responsibility.
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Pay the newsmakers
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Re: IT wishlist
You seem to be confused as to how the internet works. IP addresses do not correspond to individuals. Those 10 "reads" could have been the 10 different people. Or it could have been an automated system updating a cache. Or several other things.
Before proposing ways of doing things on the Internet it would be good to first learn how it works.
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Why Exploit People They Cover...
They have only exploitation of either the 'things' they actually cover, or the users of their services.
Since the users are leaving them in droves, wanting something more substantial such as truth or facts...
They can only exploit that which is left...
The ones they are foisting on the world. (Totally unqualified as they are i.e. either the people they cover or THEM)
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Prof. Orozco
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You don't seem to understand either the purpose nor the specifics of the DMCA harbors, because everything you write above is untrue.
First, the purpose of the DMCA safe harbors is straight forward and should be common sense: it says that a service provider shouldn't be liable for the actions of a user of that service. That seems perfectly reasonable. No one should be liable for the actions of others.
The DMCA safe harbors DO NOT protect you from infringement that the site does itself.
Now, for the specifics, you claim (incorrectly) that Google has "free rein to redistribute content." This is not true. Google does not have the freedom to do that at all. They do have the freedom to LINK to content elsewhere, and to include a short snippet so you know what's there. But that's quite different, and clearly covered by fair use (which has nothing to do with safe harbors).
Journalists (the reporters) are hard working people who are trying to report the facts and truth. It's not their fault that the journalism model has faltered.
Nor was it the fault of the buggy whip makers that their business went to hell. But that doesn't mean they have the right to legally go after automakers.
The business of journalism has failed because print newspaper management has failed to innovate and give honest relevant facts demanded by their core markets.
Indeed. So why are you falsely blaming Google?
Prof. Orozco
Whoa. You're an intellectual property professor? I'm confused how that can be, when you don't seem all that familiar with the role and the specifics of the DMCA or what Google is doing. That's quite troubling, actually.
I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt as someone who should know this stuff... so perhaps I misread what you wrote?
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Re: Journalist or Pundant
I tend to have seen many of the mainstream media very threatened by bloggers and have tried to bring us down in some way by saying the news belongs to them. Quotes and maybe some investigative reporting can be given to a specified journalist but that doesn't happen often anymore. Most mainstream media get their news from the Associated Press, Canadian Press or Reuters yet complain new media snag their stories. This is a complete hypocritical statement. Besides if something in the news is important enough to report shouldn't it be common sense to pass it along or circulate it, isn't that the media's first and foremost concern in their job, or is it just awards for their journalistic reporting their concerned about?
I as a blogger will always post a link where I get my information whether it's through my own research or a news story from the media. I'm tired though of hearing journalists own the news, that's ridiculous.
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Newspaper value
First, newspapers offer one of the only organizations with the resources to monitor, investigate and print information that newsmakers may not want printed. We want papers to print about corruption at city hall or connect the massive layoffs of Tuesday with the exorbitant executive bonus of Wednesday.
Newspapers do this on a local and national basis. What other organization will do so? The many online services provide little of this. They primarily act to repeat press releases and do puff pieces. They cannot afford to do any actual reporting. Google and Huffington and the like don't report, they repeat. People do not realize the cost of the loss of local papers.
Unfortunately, as newspapers have been purchased by larger companies, much of their benefits have been lost. They have taken on the roll of press release repetition.
I am less saddened that I am in the last newspaper generation. I am more saddened that those who come next will have fewer ways to learn that the powerful are screwing them on purpose.
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Journalists, Newsmakers and Google
However, I must say that without journalists, there would be no news and journalists have actually made the newsmakers what they are today. Perhaps journalists have created so much news and hype around that news that we have created ourselves out of the jobs we know. But without journalists telling the stories, the newsmakers would not be making news. Today, the newsmakers can go direct to the audience. Just like cars could be sold direct to the buyer, but no one is willing to undo a century-old model called the auto industry either.
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Couch theorist
You know, criminals should start charging cops, judges, jailers and those guys. Without criminals, the bloated justice industry wouldn't have jobs. Totally unfair, don't you think?
And patients, they should start charging doctors for treatment. You know, without your ailments, aches and pains, what's the doctor going to do? Get a hobby I guess.
And hey, next time you go get a haircut, tell the stylist to pay you. Without your hair growing, you know, she'd be out of a job. She needs to spread the wealth a bit.
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Re: Couch theorist
You know, criminals should start charging cops, judges, jailers and those guys. Without criminals, the bloated justice industry wouldn't have jobs. Totally unfair, don't you think?
And patients, they should start charging doctors for treatment. You know, without your ailments, aches and pains, what's the doctor going to do? Get a hobby I guess.
And hey, next time you go get a haircut, tell the stylist to pay you. Without your hair growing, you know, she'd be out of a job. She needs to spread the wealth a bit.
Yup. And if you agree with all of those (and I assume you're being sarcastic, as I was in the original post) then you should obviously see the ridiculousness of the logic behind saying Google should pay people for aggregating news and sending them traffic.
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Journalists and their subjects
Give me a break.
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Re: Journalists and their subjects
Here, let me help you:
http://ggl.to/define:satire
Now go back and reread the original post.
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Journalists and their subjects
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