Sony Pictures CEO: Nothing Good Has Come From The Internet
from the and-that-is-why-you-fail dept
We were just talking about how Sony CEO Howard Stringer was lamenting the fact that Sony didn't embrace openness and new technologies like the internet earlier. Perhaps part of the problem is the execs who work under him. Mathew Ingram points out that at a recent panel discussion the CEO of Sony Pictures, Michael Lynton, said: "I'm a guy who doesn't see anything good having come from the internet. Period."Perhaps that explains why you're failing to figure out how to embrace it?
I recently wrote up something for Open Forum talking about how every threat is really an opportunity. A threat just means that someone else may have figured out how to serve your customers/community better. That should be seen as an opportunity for you to serve your community/customers better. An exec today who views those opportunities as threats, as apparently Michael Lynton does, shouldn't still have a job. It's bad for business. It's bad for shareholders. And it's bad for customers. Saying that there's nothing good that has come from the internet suggests someone so lacking in vision that it's scary he still has a job running a major motion picture studio.
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Executives
Suits and ties and no skills whatsoever. It doesn't matter from whence they came, be it Harvard or Antigua, they're so frequently idiots.
What happens is that, sometime in the past, someone with great talent and insight creates a company. They design the machine that is the company very well, such that after they are gone, the machine continues to operate perfectly.
Most executives are barely needed. They sit in their big offices, thinking that they're important, until they're 65 and the next bozo moves in. As long as the world stays the same, the machine continues to function.
Only when the world changes are the idiots separated from the talent. Just look at all the cataclysmic failures in history when the market changed. IBM, American steel and railroad, GM, the current financial crisis, Apple, the music industry, Pan Am, and any other of a number of companies.
These useless piles of human waste piss and moan, scream and sue, and generally make a noise because they've been revealed to be idiots, and suddenly the world doesn't work the way it used to. They don't know what to do, so they blame anything handy.
They don't see opportunity because they're clueless. They don't want opportunity. They want things to stay the same so they can sit behind their big desk and feel like they're doing something.
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Yep, Apple. It's doing fine now, as is IBM, but in the past, both of them were against the ropes because management had driven the company into the dirt.
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Rootkits on CD
Keep up the good work on the boycott, Sony is reporting record losses. WoOt!
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PS3s that eat BluRay disks...
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every threat is NOT really an opportunity
I could go into listing dozens of examples of things that could be true threats to a business (War, work force loss, commoditizing of products, end of patents, seizure of assets), but are not always. One thing often being mistaken for the other does not make them the same thing it just makes people mistaken.
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and most of their alleged innovative patents are just common sense.
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What good has come from the internet?
People can bitch at eachother from across the pond now.
The general public can gain access to copyrighted material.
Kids can watch loads of porn without employing their older siblings.
It's now possible to shop from your ass.
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2) gain access to copyrighted material -- good for me
3) kids porn watching -- hmmm- parents not doing their job prior to the internet still produced kids exposure to bad influences (smoking, drugs, drinking, PORN vids & mags)
4) shop from your ass - reduce driving emissions, reduce traffic, helps people with phobias, handicaps, transportation issues; employs more for delivery services
if anyone thinks that the statement from this idiot at sony is in any way favourable, they need mental help, nor should partake in anything that requires logical thinking. of course their will be a few issues to any great thing, it shouldnt employ the attitude of 'a few rotten apples spoil the bunch'
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Good luck, you've got the right mindset!
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The Internet allows me
Screw Sony.
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wake up people
The 500lb gorilla in the room is 'information'.
Obviously an encyclopedia entry is information, but that means a recording of a movie or song is too, nothing more. Very little 'SERVICE' is rendered, now that the theater is a media player, the distribution trucks are modems, and the record a hard drive.
It's pretty obvious why some guy with no talent and some elite degree would feel threatened when his money for nothing train is slowing down.
Enter apple/itunes > ""great all those real world logistics of this industry are gone and we can charge just as much? awesome.. more money for nothing, and all these retards will pay because they know we sue 13 year old girls.""
It's greed. simple as that.
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Free The Net!
Sony's so self centered they actually have people who believe nothing good has come from the internet. Information! plain and simple. They don't like it because they can control it like they can control other forms of media.
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It would be interesting to know if this same person has the Internet at his house. If he does, he's a hypocrite, for clearly he has it because it's of some value to him. In other words what he means is that it does not help him (the rich and the powerful) when others (the poor and the powerless) have the Internet. But the Internet is good for him to have.
It would also be interesting to know if Sony itself ever uses the Internet for anything. Do their employees use the Internet? Uhm .... they seem to have a website. http://www.sony.com/index.php That seems to be good for Sony. If no good has come from the Internet, why even have a website? It's no good.
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Seriously
I'm even embarrassed to have a Sony product now.
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If one also assumes that one view of life is formed by the time one id 20 years old then the question becomes what view of life would a person have who formed their view 40 years ago.
2009 - 40 = the 1950s
1950s Japan was not a nice place.
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Sure, that is a reasonable assumption, however - it is also a reasonable assumption that some people keep up while others fall behind.
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Can I assume you were exaggerating for effect?
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We agree
Sony has lost its edge and that is probably a result of poor management.
Ronald J. Riley,
Speaking only on my own behalf.
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President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
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Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (810) 597-0194 / (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 8 pm EST.
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but not with you
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2001
My previous camcorder died a gruesome death while I was in Florida on vacation. I decided to go with a Sony Hi8 camcorder and added a high-capacity RCA Lithium battery to go with it. Charged both batteries that night, and the next day me and the family went to the Space Museum.
About a third of the way through, the Sony InfoLithium battery died, so I switched over to the RCA battery (which was supposed to work with the camcorder, even had the model listed on the packaging of the battery.) So, I slapped it in, and the camera gives me a warning. "Sony InfoLithium batteries only." And shut down.
I was not pleased.
That was the last time I bought anything retail that had the Sony name on it. There may have been electronics purchased that had Sony parts in them, (thank goodness it wasn't any of my laptop batteries,) but no Sony brand-name stuff for me.
TheSkyRider - happily boycotting SONY Since 7-11-2001.
Just a side note for all the newbies out there: 2001 is when the SSSCA, later known as the CBDTPA, started to circulate. You might know this as the 'Fritz Chip" law. If Sony (along with the rest of the entertainment industry) had gotten their way back then, this blog article wouldn't exist today...
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Just because a high-level exec thinks a certain way doesn't mean everyone in the company thinks the same way. I work for a large company as a graphic designer and I know that's true. Management and the grunts often have a different view on how to do things, but it's always the execs that get to dictate it because they're the ones in power. Companies need to move away from the old pyramid structure, but you won't see any old guard companies do that very often because it means that the upper level would have give up some of their money and power, which they will never willingly do.
Bottom line, go off on the Sony execs all you want, at least the ones we've seen who are making these idiot decisions. But don't bash the whole company because then you're punishing the many for the shortsightedness of the few, which is itself shortsighted.
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He's not angry at sony for "Mislabeled batteries". He is angry because Sony deliberately programmed their product to NOT WORK. He bought a battery with the right voltage, the right form factor, but still his camcorder rejected it because it didn't have a majic "I've paid Sony" password. That is a deliberate "# you" to the customer.
There are enough problems getting things to work together under ideal circumstances. Any company that tries to make it harder should expect to suffer consequences in the market.
Sony has a long history of trying to push proprietary formats on their customers so they can make money from the entire accessory and content ecosystems. They do this despite the fact that more popular open standards already exist. Betamax, Memory Stick, OpenMG DRM for music, all come to mind.
I might have bought a Vaio laptop once, but it had a memory stick slot and not SD, so I accepted their right to memory-stick it to me, and bought a Toshiba instead.
I would advise Sony to try to delight their customers, and to try to make their products as useful and compatible as possible. This will increase demand and long-term brand value. Locking your customers in increases short-term revenue and damages brand. Bad call.
You say he should not punish the many Sony workers because of some executive decisions. But to the consumer, the company is a single entity. A single brand. He can't buy a Sony camcorder from the good workers, but not from the bad ones. On the other hand, if Mino Flip offers a camcorder with a good customer experience, he can reward them for their efforts... and the market definitely has.
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When any of us works for someone else, and it is lucky we enjoy the work, the need to watch the clock is minimalised. Reverse, and its steal from the stationary cabinet (like I used to) and look at Facebook.
But because most people are followers, or need to be accepted by peers, most follow each other. The fun in life is mostly gone, and its about making it through life to fulfil what you have to, and have as much fun on the weekend (only the weekend of course, cause the working week is so.... boring).
So if I boycotted Sony, it wouldnt do much due to economies of scale, but it wouldnt directly affect or not affect the workers.
My solution would be: take a risk and be different, think of something that isn't being done presently for people, and do it. Then let that blossom and become whatever it will be.
But then again, if it wasn't for the ideas-less workers, no actual work that ideas people stay away from, would get done......
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As with all tools used by imperfect Humans the internet has both a good and a dark side. Not unlike all of us. We must stride to stay on the good side. It that not what life is all about?
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Does she honestly think that Disney and Viacom would ever let copyright die? Is she completely ignorant about secret meetings to make copyright even more draconian? Doesn't she realize that copyright is so fricken prevalent in our lives that's practically impossible to go an entire day without infringing a copyright?
Nora, copyright is not dead nor is it dying. It's merely been stretched so far to your advantage that nearly every citizen in this country is technically a criminal under the law. Are you happy now?
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No attempt at digital content copy protection has been successful to date. This is something that companies need to realize and counter with active adjustments to their business model. Even if you have legal protections, it is not going to be an enforceable protection in the near future, which means it is no protection at all. To remain profitable these companies will need to adapt to what technology is doing to eliminate 'information control'.
As Machiavelli so appropriately wrote centuries ago, information is a source of power and the control of information is what these companies have been banking on. When they lose that, they see nothing but evil in it, by choice.
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Before launching off, however, on an invective laden rant, it might be useful to pause for a second and think about what these "big guys" (and a lot of "little guys") have done over the years that have benefited all of us. The production of music that has enthralled us. Movies that have served as endless sources of entertainment. Books that have informed us to all sorts of the human condition (my favorite contemporary one being To Kill a Mockingbird, though there are many that run a very close second). Software that has placed at our disposals capabilities that for many years were on the stuff of science fiction. These examples are but a minor subset of what these industries have done and provided that have helped shape the nature of our society.
Rather than villify them, I believe they deserve out gratitude for what they have done to help enrich all of our lives to varying degrees.
Call them "old foggies". Call them "dinosaurs". But whatever you call them, take the time to think about what life would likely be now without the time and effort that all participants in these industries expended.
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"Big Content" has adjusted in the past each time a new technology has come forward that challenges the status quo. It adapted to broadcast. It adapted to cassettes. It adapted to video tapes. It adapted to CDs and DVDs. It will adapt to the internet, just as it will adapt to whatever new technologies follow on the heels of the internet. However, adapting takes time for "Big Content". They are much like huge oil tankers. They can and will change course, only they cannot do so by turning on a dime.
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That's a rather idyllic and historically inaccurate way of putting it. What you leave out is all the damage they've left in their wake every time they "adapt." What some of us are doing is trying to help them adapt faster, and every time they resist, they end up doing an awful lot of damage to those more innovative than themselves. It's quite sad.
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No problem or complaint from industry when innovation and change helped them. Not too much talk from them about how they should give revenue shares to the people who invented these technologies.
And, ironically, they fought half of the technologies that benefitted them, just out of fear of change. Ahhh! Talkies!!! What will become of the motion pictures! Whither radio? Oh no, VCRs!
Now, just invent one technology that doesn't behoove them, and watch the full force of their legal and lobby departments.
Technology is a tool. It cuts both ways. Sometimes you can use it to your gain, sometimes it is disruptive against you. Tough.
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""Big Content" has adjusted in the past each time a new technology has come forward that challenges the status quo."
Um no, they fought every step of the way. They were forced into adjustment by the market and the public.
"However, adapting takes time for "Big Content". "
Hence all the new and fresh companies that will supplant them in the market when they cannot "turn on a dime". This is good for everyone except for the slow dinosaurs who die out. Natural Selection is a good thing. Our corrupt politicians really know there is NO company that is too big to fail, they just don't want to bite the hands(not ours) that feed them. This is a bad thing.
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"It's greed. simple as that."
It's selfishness. Many of the rich and powerful become that way not because they are smarter and more innovative than the rest of us, but because they are more unethical.
By Mike
"What you leave out is all the damage they've left in their wake every time they "adapt.""
Exactly, by lobbying the government to pass laws that help them at the expense of everyone else.
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How have YOU been personally been hurt by the existence of copyright law? Has DRM hurt you, or has it inconvenienced you? Has the controlled release of a movie on a date certain hurt you, or has it merely delayed the date you were able to watch it? Has the fact an author like Tom Clancy writing a book about a submarine kept you from writing one of your own about a submarine? Has Warner Music ever threatened you because you wrote an original music score? Have you sustained the loss of close friendships because you could not give a friend a copy of a copy-protected disc? Has a publisher ever shown up at your door and bellowed that you could not lend a book to a friend?
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DRM: sometimes I can't play music and movie files that I've bought. I can't play them on the device that I want. I bought them on my Tivo, but decided I wanted to watch on a laptop on an airplane, but could not. My MSFT Playsforsure DRM music will no longer be supported by a validation server, etc, etc.
I'd go on, but basically I'd be repeating 10 years of Techdirt to give you all the examples of the way society is hurt by over-zealous application of rights, and a diminished access to human knowledge.
Here's the summary thought: Letting people freely access, use, modify, enjoy, share, transform ideas and creative works is extremely valuable, and in fact no less than the foundation of human progress. Giving creators limited monopolies on their contributions MAY be a worthwhile sacrifice to stimulate creativity. These two opposing concepts must be carefully balanced by policy and law.
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"Are you saying that I have no right to criticize the actions of others if I have not (yet) been directly affected by their actions ?"
What do you expect from someone who seems to hold a position based on zero logic.
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In my town, factories are shutting down one by one, just like everywhere else. Every time it happens, the workers are interviewed, bitterly complaining that this or that has ruined his lifetime employment of XX years. You really have to be in a huge state of denial to think that anyone has lifetime employment. I've changed jobs and careers several times, and sure, I don't particularly like it. But duh, it's either adapt or starve. No guaranteed jobs anymore. No slacking off because of guaranteed union wages anymore. The tooth fairy is dead.
The most ingenious move occurred when an auto parts plant said it couldn't meet the union's demands. The union would not budge. And of course, now all those people are out of work. Oops. "It's a matter of principle". Yes, it is. But reality is reality, and stupidly thinking that a completely unskilled uneducated worker will make $30/hr forever in this economy is unbelievably dopey. Negotiation can take place, but only if you have a tenable position.
By the same token, this clueless CEO is just fat and happy and resents that he might have to scuffle to keep the giant gravy train going.
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This reminds me of another case which involved garage door openers. I don't recall the co name, but they did not want competition selling remotes.
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This is exactly why I don't often buy such media (with few exceptions). I used to but if I can't buy them under MY terms I won't. They lost me as a customer. A printer I have to buy because I need it to print out important stuff so I have no choice. There just isn't enough competition and it's because these huge corporations lobby for the government do things that hinder competition.
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Who The F(&% Is Sony?
That's why he made the comment.
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What decent open standards exist in terms of optical storage. Is there any non - proprietary drives. Blueray is Sony and the drives are very expensive. How does that work, is it proprietary? Does anyone who wants to make and sell a blueray burner have to pay Sony royalties? Not sure, don't claim to know. Maybe something else that people can buy that will be cheaper.
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http://news.digitaltrends.com/news-article/13094/sony-sued-over-blu-ray-patent-infri ngement
Lets see if Sony ends up paying the appropriate penalties (but I won't hold my breath). It's a crime if someone infringes on Sony's intellectual property but it's OK if Sony infringes on someone else's.
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Again, I wouldn't hold my breath that Sony will end up paying what they owe. Bet the people who are normally in favor of patents on these forums would somehow find a way to be against it in this specific case. Patents are OK for big corporations but not for small entities.
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"Sony has faced numerous lawsuits regarding Blu-ray technology since the format was released. In May 2007, Target Technology sued Sony trying to claim that the reflective materials used on optical discs infringed on Target Technology's patents. The court took just a few months to dismiss the lawsuit over patent 7,018,696."
http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/14989-Sony-faces-Blu-ray-patent-lawsuit.html
So of course we live in a system where if some rich corporation infringes on the intellectual property of some small entity it's OK. But it's much more difficult for the small entities to infringe on intellectual property of big corporations (because big corporations are more able to defend themselves or withstand the costs of settling or a judgment). So this system hinders small entities more than big ones which hinders innovation and distorts the market place. Oh, but you can call this idea is obvious, but if I were to make the same argument that so many patented ideas (by rich corporations) are obvious you would argue something like, "what about research and development costs and the time and costs required to develop it, etc... Who are you to determine what is obvious, etc..."
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Stick, meet horse. Horse, meet vulture.
He must be trying to protect his prior vested interests, 'Hey kids! That internet ain't cool! Now let's go listen to some Clear Channel!'
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Nothing good has come from Sony
Stab him if he stamds and shoot him if he runs. God Damn the Pusher Man.
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Stop Sony
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Nothing good has come from the internet?????
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Call the Whaaaambulance
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It is, in my view, somewhat naive to rail against companies that rely on copyright and say that they are "dinasours" in the digital age and doomed to failure. These companies are not stupid. They know things are changing, and they know that they have to adapt. What I believe many who rail against them fail to realize is that the current system is entrenched in a wide assortment of subsisting contracts that gives them little flexibility to "turn around on a dime", these contracts being both domestic and international in scope.
This in part is why I noted that these companies will eventually adapt, but adapting in not something that can be done with the stroke of a pen.
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I still do not understand why someone is not being prosecuted for this crime.
If Sony has a contract with whomever, that is their problem and not mine. When someone purchases a product from Sony they expect (or at least used to) that it will do what was advertised - nothing more, nothing less. How many of those CDs do you think they would've sold had they informed the buyer of the rootkit that would be installed ?
So, it is my choice to not purchase products from an organisation which has demonstrated that they are not to be trusted.
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Perhaps he's just upset because (thanks to the Internet) he (and other special interest groups alike) don't have as much of a monopoly on human thought. Interesting.
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I want to be king!
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Greetings from Lake Havasu!
Looks like the trolls came back. Good thing you respond to them than I. However I remain curious about your goals.
A week by yourself, and you're by yourself like this, in a corner responding to questions about backbacks and other crappy topics? Who set you up for this? Wow! Well, hey, I'm glad you're having fun. Come out to play sometime.
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*Of course* the head of Sony doesn't like the internet. This is a network based around open standard. On sharing information and data. On collaboration to create newer and better things than can be created otherwise. Sure, you have to ignore the piracy, pr0n and trolling idiocy, but there's definitely a lot of great things that have come from the 'net over its existence.
However, this runs completely counter to Sony's own business practices. They have a long history of trying to restrict and punish its own customers, from the stupidly high number of proprietary formats it creates (UMD, Memory Stick, ATRAC, etc. - why did they not learn the proprietary vs. open standard lesson of Betamax vs. VHS?) to the infamous rootkits. Customers used to be willing to put up with this because Sony had the reputation for being on the cutting edge and creating quality products. They no longer have that reputation, and many customers have abandoned them, unwilling to return.
If Sony had embraced the advantages of the internet - everything from hearing what customers hated about their tactics to selling their music and movies internationally without enforced region coding and artificial release dates - they would still be going strong. Now, their star is fading and they have nobody but themselves to blame.
Sadly, their leaders haven't noticed that this is the case yet, so they strike out at the most visible target. They blame the internet, when it's their own tactics that are to blame.
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if it wasn't for the net...
Don't think anything has come from Sony since the day's of the walkman. And even Apple has over taken that with its iPod's.
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Nothing Good from internet???
person to interview regarding the internet and it's impact.
I hope that this is an accurate quote because they are all Mac users. I'd think entertainment executives would never
discount the importance of the internet to generate interest in all upcoming releases as well as providing feedback from a marketing standpoint. I've met some of the people working for Sir Howard as well. Maybe some of the older film execs need a course in the importance of technology in the modern workplace. Some seemed quite frightened at times. A younger group of assistants might not be as put off by tech. It was an enlightening experience.
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Right, Sony suffered alot from pirated music and movies and tried to fight legal battles instead of trying to adapt and fins new channels to reach consumers instead of suing them.
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Honestly?
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New Sony Viao Z
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