Apple Drops Another Arbitrary Rejection On An E-Book App, Because Somebody Might Read The Kama Sutra With It
from the know-it-when-i-see-it dept
Apple's double standards in deciding which iPhone apps to reject have hit plenty of developers. Apparently it's fine to access any sort of content through the device's web browser, but if you have an app that accesses anything Apple deems objectionable, it's obscene and therefore blocked. The latest rejection along these lines is of an e-book reader which lets people download and read books from Project Gutenberg, a trove of digitized public-domain works. One book in its collection is the ancient Indian sex guide The Kama Sutra; in Apple's eyes, the ability to access the book from the app is grounds enough to reject it. The app is simply designed to access Project Gutenberg, and users select which titles they want to read. The developer says he wasn't even aware that The Kama Sutra was in Gutenberg's archives, but he also points out that several other e-book apps can access it, while, of course, it's also available on the web. The guy has now created a version of the app that specifically blocks access to The Kama Sutra, in hopes Apple will deem it acceptable. Fair enough, since he just wants to get the app out there. But it doesn't make Apple's arbitrary approval process -- and the stupidity it regularly displays -- any better. Update: And, once again, following a bit of press coverage, Apple caves. Still, it really shouldn't take press coverage to force Apple to fix situations like this.Thank you for reading this Techdirt post. With so many things competing for everyone’s attention these days, we really appreciate you giving us your time. We work hard every day to put quality content out there for our community.
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And some would call you one dimensional for seeming to think that there are only two operating systems.
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No, only ONE.
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Seeing how scatterbrained they are when they dev software made me go mac. The rub was how few formal processes existed, and how scatterbrained they were. It was kinda enlightening, actually. I estimate 50% of the management is on ADD meds, and they don't take 'em.
I suppose it's one of those things where the best words are "You should have seen it". or "It's a glorious day when they produce something" Maybe that's why they have all the parties.
"I farted!!"
"Well, that's amazing, Bill. Let's have a party."
"Yay"
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Re: Naughty Material and Iphone ebook readers
What gives?
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Apple is bipolar
I love Apple's products but I don't like its policies. The only reason I bought an iPod Touch was for the PDA functionality and music/video capabilities. Applications are useful but I still prefer a full-blown computer.
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Oh, WTF??
So there.
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Obscenity
If you want a great example of Apple's hypocrisy, try downloading the "Chat Rooms" app. This is a completely irresponsible chat app which asks no registration, does not let you block/ignore offensive users, has no private messaging abilities, no mechanism to report abuse, an easily circumvented "bad words" filter, and does not let you reserve a username. Indeed it doesn't even prevent you from specifying a username already in use. The result is complete anarchy and filth, as there is no accountability on anyone's part.
At any moment, you can log into one of the eight rooms and watch every disgusting, vile, and illegal thing you can imagine. While the room topics are such things as "Sports" and "Finance" the actual chat is 100% sex, racism, spam, drugs, and perversion. It's not unusual to see 13yo kids (or at least those claiming to be) sending out their IM addresses, email addresses and even phone numbers in the open.
It makes a Yahoo chat room seem like a Sunday school social.
The very design of the application -- oblivious to lessons learned from 20 years of other public chat rooms -- is what enables this kind of behavior. Sure, chat rooms are never completely safe, but this one has so few controls, it's criminally negligent.
Complaints to Apple have been ignored, and the review I wrote about this was not approved. (Indeed, there seem to be suspiciously few published reviews given the number of downloads.)
Here's an example where Apple is continuing to distribute an app which -- while merely annoying to adults -- is patently dangerous to the millions of minors with iPod Touches.
It's hypocrisy because Apple can apparently "think ahead" in the case of an eBook reader, but can't see the obvious problems in an utterly unrestricted and unredeemable social app like this.
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a) pandering to the "think of the children" demographic
b) a little underhanded tactic because they might have other interests to protect (like a potential Apple eBook reader or something similar)
c) both
d) something else that just eludes me right now
What some don't understand is that the Internet is a communication system and people should (I would say MUST, but that's just me) be able to use it to communicate as they see fit. If ChatRooms offends you in any way, no one is forcing you to use it. Just move on to an app that satisfies your needs. That doesn't mean that the people that enjoy it as it is now have to conform to your rigid moral views.
You are talking about "sex, racism, spam, drugs, and perversion". Let's take a look at each of these:
a) sex: if you don't enjoy sex or talking about sex, that is your problem, not the problem of the rest of the world.
b) racism: even if it's reprehensible, you won't change the people by filtering it. Moreover, the whole concept of politically corectess has gone way off the tracks lately so I would hypothesize that some of the racist comments that you can find online is just a way of venting all those repressed feelings that have become taboo to express in real life.
c) spam: how do you define spam in a chat room? Are you talking about various advertisments? It wouldn't feel like a chat room without them. As long as they don't interfere much with the conversation, I think they're actually welcome.
d) perversion: is in the eye of the beholder. What you find perverse may very well be normal for someeone else.
d) drugs: I left this at the end because this is the only topic that be attacked logically. It could be attacked because some drugs are illegal, but only because of that. On top of that, let's check how the "War on Drugs" has been going... It is a huge waste of taxpayers' money and the results are some more racism (because caucasians are almost always treated better than hispanics or african americans when it comes to enforcement), encouragement of criminal organizations (because without drugs to traffic, they would have no comparable source of income) and the perverse effect of drawing more people to drugs because it's human nature to think "let's try this because it's illegal, so it must be at least interesting". Remember the prohibition? It didn't turn out so well in the end.
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[Also, it strikes me you're on a high horse of a different kind.]
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Closer to your concern about ChatRooms, that app became obscene (by your standard) because of how people use it to communicate. Neverthless, in itself, it doesn't offer access to any previously existing material that could be considered obscene by anybody's standards. When Apple reviewed it, they couldn't have anticipated how it was going to be used by the users. Arguing that in order to pass some arbitrary decency standards an app has to have certain features would be too much of a stretch, even for Apple. On the other hand, the eBook reader, can indeed access some content that could be classified as obscene. The real hypocrisy is that the same, idenical, content could be acessed by other means, so it's not like the censorship has any effect other than to harm tha eBook reader's developer.
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I suggest that if it so upsets you that you quit using it. Seriously, you sound like the kind of shrill wannabe nanny that Apple is already catering to too much.
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This is exactly what Apple does best with its AppStore: self cenorship... and people seem to believe that's how things should be. Think about it...
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Bill was very obviously complaining that Apple wouldn't ban an iPhone app that he didn't like. If that's not wanting to enforce nanny-like control, then what is? I think it is you that has "very low reading comprehension skills" if you can't see that.
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Not sure the reason was Kama Sutra
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Then why haven't you done so?
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Re: apple doesn't get it.
"when will they get it ? we buy hardware so that we can use it to its FULLEST capability but the manufacturers of said hardware who tout the capabilities then limit them . WTF?"
Believe it or not, Some people out there do actually buy Apple because its legal. Look at the I-Tunes store. Believe it or not, there just might be parents out there more likely to buy a product from vendors that put limitations on their hardware, so that their kids aren't able to access "everything". If you want the kamasutra, there are tons of other places to get it.
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Apparently, some people would like it. Those are the kind that buy Apple stuff.
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Why do people like this company?
Full disclosure I am a PC guy. Not a MS guy, a PC guy a number of OS and hardware and owned a few Apples back in the day (Can I hear it for the Apple II?!?!)
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Apple doesn't block the Kama Sutra
Apple is run by a little dictator. The day Steve Jobs retires or dies is the day Apple starts improving. After all, part of the reason for their popularity is due to the design of the products, and Steve doesn't design anything. It would be a greater concern if Jon Ives left.
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Don't you know spam when you see it?
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This is what you get when you buy locked up hardware
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How stupid is Apple??
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Campaign
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for the kama sutra... who knew those fools could be so darn erudite?
ironically, this action has given eucalyptus tremendous word-of-mouth.
so in the end, the programmer should thank apple for the big boost up...
-bowerbird
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Jamie, if you're reading this, I have 2 suggestions:
-Cydia/Installer: I heard they're starting their own AppStore, and I'd buy your App in a heartbeat when its available...
-Blackberry: I use both a iPod Touch and a Curve, and believe me the crackberry community would welcome you with open arms, not make stupid comments to excuse Apple's behaivour.
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Safe Harbour Laws?
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Religion
What will they ban next, a bible app that doesn't edit out the Song of Solomon?
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This Is Why I Don't Buy Apple
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Really?
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Sigh,,,
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*yawn*
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It would be great if people were able to take responsibility for themselves again. But for all those "someone think of the children!" people (Mainly parents who want to avoid said responsibility.) How about a rating system like movies for apps and allow parents to block certain ratings? Then let the community rate these so it takes apple out of the picture and these articles stop popping up like weeds ever week. I guess I'm trying to say, "Hurry up competition! Your the only way the app store will improve itself."
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I think Software Update is what the App store is trying to be but there's a small number of inconsiderate people who keep f---ing things up without looking at the whole mac software lifecycle and in the process call foul, saying the big, bad, mean man with a islet cell neuroendocrine tumor is picking on them.
Boo-Hoo.
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Ma ybe Apple listens to the uproar of complaints from their users after all. Still, as a primary MAC user (no Iphone or Ipod touch) I am really begging for some competition here.
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And I did vote with my Wallet, I have a windows mobile device and am wishing to hell it had the same ease of use app store that Iphone users enjoy. Don't mark me as some Apple fan boy just to get your troll comments in.
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And with no explanation as to why, either. Isn't that strange? It seems Apple maybe has something to hide.
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Apple is losing it
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We need more undocumented features
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