Did No One At eMusic Think About PR Impact Of Raising Prices At The Same Time Sony Signed?
from the braindead-PR dept
eMusic is a rather successful indie music e-commerce player (reports put it at the 2nd largest music store), that has focused on charging people a subscription that lets them download a limited number of songs each month. It also supported DRM-free MP3 files long before others finally came around. I have many friends who love the convenience that eMusic provides (I tried it, and didn't find enough of the music I liked to stick around) and are willing to pay for the convenience alone. However, it's almost hard to believe that no one on the PR/marketing side of eMusic failed to predict what would happen this week when the company made two announcements: that it had signed its first major label, Sony, and that it was raising prices. The reaction was quick and almost universally negative.The complaints hit on a number of points, but the two big ones (obviously) are the price increase and the fact that many people signed up with eMusic because of its indie music focus, and related to that: their dislike of major record labels. What's stunning is that eMusic couldn't foresee what a negative reaction this would bring. The company has raised prices in the past, which also created some level of anger -- but people had to know that announcing both the Sony deal and the price raise at the same time, was going to be a PR nightmare. What I can't understand is why they didn't separate out the announcements. They may have felt it was a "pulling the bandaid off quickly" sort of moment, where they could take flak for both announcements at the same time, but they didn't seem to consider the fact that the two issues are completely linked in users' minds. It's not "eMusic had to raise prices" and "eMusic added Sony music." It's become: "eMusic had to raise prices to get Sony Music's catalog into the system."
That makes both eMusic and Sony Music look dreadful -- because here's a major record label, whose music many eMusic subscribers didn't want in the first place, now being seen as having made life worse (and more expensive) for everyone. By connecting the two issues, it seems like both eMusic and Sony Music are getting hit a lot harder than if the announcements had been separated.
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what they should have done
If you look at their "price increases", it's less than $1 per month. However, since they substantially cut the number of tracks you can download, they basically created a new low tier and raised the price of all other tiers by about $5. It's pretty lame to hide a price increase like that.
And apparently, I didn't even notice that they dumped their "all you can eat" tier.
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Re: what they should have done
I never liked Sony but that is for some other time.
It would have been better to offer RIAA labels on a different add on plan.
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Wha?
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Hell, if I never had to download music ever again except to my portable device (which must also be without limitations), then I would have zero complaints about paying for it. I'd even put up with advertising if it was relevant to what I'm looking for, such as band t-shirts, box sets, concert tickets/dates, etc.
I'm optimistic that we're headed that direction and iTunes will probably make that the popular method of media distribution, though I'm not so optimistic about the major labels and their cooperation in all this. I'm afraid they, with the plethora of copyrighted content, are going to die a slow, painful death that will only amount to many forward thinkers that tried to help, giving them a collective "I told you so."
At this point, if the labels wanted a way to ease the pain and look for a way out of all this, they'd be wise to sell back the rights to the content they hold to the creators at an adjusted, but clearly reasonable rate depending on content popularity. Perhaps even turn that into an incentive, such as selling back the rights through a interest type loan system that offers exceptional services to the creators that allow them to connect to people and other business services without them lifting a finger. They might even make a bit of a profit off that.
At least they would seem relevant to the artists they're supposed to represent and it would give them time to find a model that will be attractive to new artists. One where artists will actually WANT to sign with the label for their services, while still leaving distribution control of content in the creators' hands. The labels are going to have to learn that their place is now as a service and not as content protectors. Most artists are realizing that they don't want better content protection, but better content distribution.
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Sounds like maybe eMusic got greedy and screwed the pooch:
Did anyone make THEM aware of that? If you're the 2nd largest music store and you've been successful at charging a subscription fee, you're earnings statements probably look pretty decent. Why sign Sony? Did they want to break out of indie music? If so, what was the reason for the disconnect w/their fans?
"the fact that many people signed up with eMusic because of its indie music focus, and related to that: their dislike of major record labels"
I completely agree. I know people that use sites like these BECAUSE they dislike Sony and their ilk. It's a sort of enemy of my enemy is my friend mentality. Then they stumble across some good indie music and bang, their hooked. However...
"It's become: "eMusic had to raise prices to get Sony Music's catalog into the system.""
Bull. It ALWAYS WAS eMusic choosing to raise their prices to bring on Sony's catalog. The problem is they didn't take their lessons from the Sony Reich on how to be all sneaky and shifty about it.
But again, what the hell is the disconnect with their customers? Was there a recent change in ownership or an influx of outside investment in eMusic? Because otherwise, this move just doesn't make any sense. Was eMusic management always a bunch of Indie posers, the way Good Charlotte faked their ridiculous "English" accents?
"That makes both eMusic and Sony Music look dreadful -- because here's a major record label, whose music many eMusic subscribers didn't want in the first place, now being seen as having made life worse (and more expensive) for everyone"
I couldn't disagree more. Blame will be placed squarely eMusic's managment, mark my words. Because this move made eMusic "look dreadful", and Sony look like....Sony. You don't get mad at the enemy when Benedict Arnold commits treason...you get made at Benedict Arnold.
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no subject
eMusic is now doomed, as consumers will feel they're paying for Sony's music despite not downloading a single track offered.
If anything, this is a clear example how the recording industry will push more people to "piracy", rather than work out a model which benefits everyone.
I scoped out eMusic a while ago, and like Mike, really didn't find things I liked to stick around. I still visit every so often, just to see if the menu's changed, but this news certainly means I shall never visit again.
A shame, too. I want to buy music, but I'm not paying more than $0.10 per song for it. Ever. I guess I'll be listening to my current collection for quite some time as I see no reasonable change ever coming my way.
But that's okay. Their loss more than mine. The radio has yet to charge me a cent in those moments I get bored of my collection.
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Sean
Just because I sell Toyota (indie) doesn't mean I can't also sell Honda (mainstreamier), right? How does adding more product to their service devalue it? It doesn't, infact, it adds value, and they may have increased the price because of it.
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Re: Sean
See the problem?
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Re: Sean
The problem is that it's a music store that has an Indie background w/an Indie customer base that specifically dislikes companies like Sony. If your customers hate Sony and you add Sony, then raise your subscription prices on EVERYONE regardless of what they download, that doesn't add value, it adds price w/o value to a majority of your base.
It's like starting a civil rights and tolerance conference and having Syria be your keynote speaker.
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Re: Sean
People need to think a bit before they say something.
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Re: Sean
Many subscribe to eMusic with the idea of being
able to take a chance on a lot of music, with
the hope of getting exposed to a few great things.
This works because the price per album is low.
Bringing Sony in breaks the idea: you can't
take as many chances because prices are
substantially higher, and you don't get exposed
to new music when "Born to Run" is added to
the catalog.
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Re: Re: Sean
There are still hundreds of thousands of old songs you've never heard, so it's new music, and now more of it is on eMusic. So, explain again why this doesn't allow people to find new music?
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Re: Sean
Per eMusic, at the end of this month I'll be transitioned to a plan where I pay $11.99 for 30 tracks per month.
I'm now paying the exact same rate and getting 40% less value for it.
Considering that I have hundreds of tracks on my "saved for future purchase" list, I'm not exactly hurting to find stuff to download. The bottom line is that I'm now getting screwed over and yes, it is bad for me. Very bad.
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Price increase already chasing people away
I'm a long-time eMusic subscriber who has done affiliate marketing for eMusic on my podcast (daveslounge.com) for the better part of three years, and I'm quite conflicted by this.
On the one hand, I'm not happy that eMusic is jacking up the prices at the same time that they're adding major label music, especially since I'm as anti-RIAA as anyone and view this as an obvious concession to Sony that offers no real benefit to eMusic's core customers -- especially all those customers I encouraged to sign-up.
On the other hand, the increase for me is only $0.16 a song (from $0.24 to $0.40), which ultimately is still a better deal than iTunes or Amazon, and I know well enough to avoid Sony's music. If you only download indie music from eMusic, only the indie music makers get paid.
That said, a few friends of mine are already using the #eMusicFAIL tag on Twitter and dropping the service, and I'm pondering doing the same. It's kind of a shame, though, because I encourage people to buy the music they hear on my podcast -- all non-RIAA artists/labels, of course -- and it's still cheaper per song to do that with eMusic than with anything else. Not sure what to do about this yet.
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You can make the numbers say anything.
Yes, I could buy two 15-song albums for $7.99 each, but even then, it's $0.53/song, which is still $0.13/song more than the new eMusic plans and doesn't offer quite the same flexibility -- unless I buy no music for a month, and then I don't get charged at all.
You could argue that it's still better to go with Amazon, since you're only paying for the music you want, not getting charged if you don't visit the site for a month, and giving more money to the artists who make that music. (Amazon pays $0.40 to $0.65 per song, depending on a few variables. iTunes pays 70% per song and per album.)
So it's not as cut-and-dried as it might seem at first glance. You might hate the price increase, but if you enjoy the eMusic experience more than Amazon or iTunes, you might decide to stick around anyway. I'm still deciding.
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The major problem with this is that indie labels will get hit. Hard. One of the major benefits of eMusic was that its subscription model encouraged experimentation. My 100 track/month plan would only get 60-70% used on albums I planned to buy, leaving between 2 and 5 albums worth of credits to spend on music I was unfamiliar with. These purchases will be the first casualty of the price rises.
I've been a happy eMusic user for nearly 3 years, and would rarely hesitate to either defend eMusic against "anti-indie" trolls that would surface or to recommend them to like-minded people. It's a shame that I may no longer do this, but I'm basically stuck with them until stores like Play and Amazon are actually allowed to sell to me.
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have you tried AmieStreet.com ?
,dave
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I don't find them as useful as eMusic, but I'll probably be visiting them a little more often now...
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eMusic
So, they are going to run with the big dogs now, having signed Sony. Me? I don't care if they have Sony music of not. Funny how just a few months they posted the reasons why it was GOOD for them not to deal with the big 4. They twist reality to make it fit for the day.
Sony? I can get that at Amazon.com. And pay less. The business plan right now is you are given a certain amount of credits depending upon how much money you pay a month.
If the new Dave Matthews Album is Sony and has 19 tracks, I would have to use 19 credits. I am *sure* that works out to more than $9.99 (or less at Walmart).
To reiterate: I did not support eMusic, write hundreds of reviews to have them offer me less and less for my buck. And in this economy? Screw eMusic. They were posers after all.
I will say this, after I leave this page, I am going to eMusic and use any credits I have left, and they are going to lose a good customer of over four years. They know where to find me if and when they get over themselves.
-Nik87
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The "album pricing" will only be available on select albums, the details of which remain unknown.
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Album Pricing
Yes, the album pricing is supposed to be 12 credits for a full album. What they've actually done in most cases is this:
Albums that have perhaps 3-6 long tracks (like most of the music I was downloading, before I became an ex-subscriber) cost 12 credits, depending on the length of the tracks.
On the flipside, many albums with more than 12 tracks cost more than 12 credits - which further decreases the value of what you receive for your money.
This is what's happening to many of the indie labels which attracted me to eMusic in the first place. Screw you Emusic.
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No Grandfathered plans
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Re: paying for music
I guess you aren't a musician.
What if you worked at a job, and your employer
said that you could keep working, but you'd
no longer be paid because all your work can
be accessed for free over the internet, making
it impossible for your company to profit from
it?
I'm perfectly happy to pay for the fruit of
musicians' labor.
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Re: paying for music
I guess you aren't a musician.
What if you worked at a job, and your employer
said that you could keep working, but you'd
no longer be paid because all your work can
be accessed for free over the internet, making
it impossible for your company to profit from
it?
I'm perfectly happy to pay for the fruit of
musicians' labor.
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You're missing the point
After all, if all you do is download major label music, you're just reaffirming the importance of the major labels. That's not how we get rid of them.
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Re: You're missing the point
I missed no point. I've never payed for music of any kind, because I just don't listen to music that much if ever. I do occasionally trade what music I do have with others I know in exchange for theirs, but I don't actively go out and download anything for free or otherwise. So for me the point is moot.
For others who have nothing better to do than listen to music... I say don't pay for shit until all these asstards stop expecting a life time of money for a couple of good songs. If that's how some of these indie bands operate, then good for them, buy their stuff. If it's not, f'em, major label or not.
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Long-time eMusic Subscriber
In the early days $10 USD per month would give you virtual unlimited downloads (although they would complain if you pigged out at the buffet table when you reached over 2000 tracks per month).
I've lived through two different plan structures and related price increases, seen great labels come and go, and seen some nice user interface improvements.
I'm all for eMusic being profitable, but am starting to question the value of my future plan when it renews in Novemeber especially in the number of tracks drop, the prices go up, and many of the items aren't even available in Canada. I currently get 65 tracks a month on a yearly plan (20% discount) for only $172.50 a year CDN.
Yeah, a totally wicked deal and I know it. I have never cared for the major labels and "popular" music. This is the reason I can always find something to download every month.
The best thing about eMusic is the ability to experiment with new artists and genres. I've broadened my punk snesibilities to include alt-country and electronica. When the number of tracks drop, prices go up and there is less room for new groups to present themselves as the Sony catalog takes over, I will be much more careful in my selections and unfortunately new artists or undiscovered one will remain in the background.
Despite intending a different outcome, eMusic has always been very, very poor at customer service and working with their existing customer base rather than the potential non-susbcribers they may attract.
This is just another example of poor optics and even worse communication by eMusic management.
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Shoot in the foot
I will not subscribe to eMusic and will not subscribe to XM/Sirius.
Pandora works for me at $36/YEAR!
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Facebook group started
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We see all kinds of people here who have this adversarial attitude toward the RIAA (which I agree with completely).
We have all kinds of people complaining about subscription services charging more than they used to, as if prices going up isn't about the most normal thing ever. If it is such a bad idea to raise prices they will lose money and will probably lower them. Again, normal everyday business stuff.
We have this odd adversarial attitude toward musicians, as if they all expect to be payed for doing almost nothing, like some sort of ASCAP welfare recipient.
We have a thriving subculture of freetards who are 87% at odds with the views of their host, but who never seem to realize that they are, even though he tells them again and again and again.
We have numerous people romanticizing musicians, as if they are so fucking weak that their muse will die if they don't get a big monthly royalty check. (To all of whom I suggest: google the name 'Charles Ives' for some enlightenment.)
We have a thoroughly healthy antipathy toward major labels.
In short we have all kinds of people talking about music and musicians who seem to know fuck all about either of them. As a musician who is largely sanguine about this brave new digital world, I have to admit I find all of this rather fascinating.
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Actually, many of the people who participate in these discussions are musicians or are heavily involved in the music industry. Why would you suggest otherwise?
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#emusicfail twitter tag censored, removed from emusic subscriber comments
#emusicfail "to sell your customers out to Sony corp"
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BYE!
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Connected but not in quite that way...
The price increase may have been forced by Sony, or maybe not. The problem is that more catalog means less money paid to the content owner for each track. Given fixed monthly subscription income, if they add alot more tracks and suddenly people are using their entire allotment instead of 2/3 or 3/4 of it (or less) then the $/track going back to the content owner (primarily indie labels) goes down. And it's already *way* below what iTunes or Amazon pay out to content owners, as it has to be since the tracks are so much cheaper for the end user (if you download your full allotment every month). So to keep all of the indie labels from leaving as a result of this deal, they had to raise the prices. Or maybe Sony made them raise the prices, who knows. I say chances are 50/50 it was Sony vs Emusic being concerned about other labels leaving due to lower $/track going forward.
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I didn't suggest otherwise, at least not intentionally. I probably oversimplified. (Beer, you know.)
But many of the people who comment here (like the clever fellow who doesn't buy music because he isn't one of those people 'who have nothing better to do than listen to music') do have rather amusing notions about what being a musician consists of.
Seriously, though, despite the snark in my last post, I genuinely find this place interesting. I have never had a chance to hear the views of so many post-CD music fans before, and it's enlightening.
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Nothing says hard working musician like drunken comment posting at 6pm...
But seriously, I'm going to check out your tunes at least. I figure supporting musicians who actually ENTER the discussion is a good thing.
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Excuse me?
I was drunk at 8 pm not 6 pm.
Not everyone lives in California.
But seriously, I'm going to check out your tunes at least. I figure supporting musicians who actually ENTER the discussion is a good thing.
Thanks.
More can be found on our Taxi page.
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Cheers. Pun intended.
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http://www.emusic.com/help/faq/catalog-expansion.html#q6
Q: Will the Sony catalog become available to subscribers in the UK, EU and Canada?
A: We will be making the Sony catalog available to members in the UK, EU and Canada. We don’t currently have a timetable for when this will happen but we are actively working on it.
Q: Are prices changing in the UK, EU and Canada?
A: Current members will see no change. Prices for new members will change. We’re doing this for two reasons: To help attract new labels and bring back those we all miss and keep us where we need to be as a business.
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Watch twitter crowd and the news
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About that Sony
I admit, emusic will make more money, but only because they'll be squeezing out the indie downloads for major label back catalogue.
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Emusic lost me
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PR disaster
I also think they should have raised prices rather than lowering downloads. People can understand price increases; they will never understand service decreases. Plus, psychologically, it's a lower number they have to deal with. If you're subscription goes up from $10-$15 that's a $5 difference rather than 20 download loss. (Or whatever it is...I'm not dealing with the real numbers)
These folks clearly didn't do any research on the impact of this decision so I'm canceling my subscription, if for nothing less than the fact than I don't want to reward executive incompetence. Plus, I'm assuming they have a plan (or are going to put one place soon) to woo back dropped subscriptions unless they have enough reserves to cover the 6 months or so before they're able to replace the income from the dropped subscriptions.
I used to hang on to my grandfathered 90 download emusic plan since I knew I wouldn't get that deal again, now I don't have to. I can quit and come back in at any time with essentially the same plan they're lowering mine to. I can sign up for a month, grab the albums I want and not have those months where I'm just downloading stuff I have an interest in hearing but wouldn't actually buy if I was paying full price for it. I think they seriously have misjudged their customers and the value of their service. But hey, I could be wrong. Time will tell.
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My recent letter to eMusic...
I've been a loyal eMusic customer for a few years now ...And by "loyal," I mean that not only do I love your service, but since I became a subscriber, whenever the subject of digital music came up in conversation, I always made it a point to bring up eMusic, then literally praise it and urge others to subscribe. That being said, I am highly disappointed with the changes you plan on implementing in July.
I understand after reading the letter from your CEO that the upcoming rate hike is mainly due to a) adding the entire Sony music catalog, and b) the hope that eMusic will now gain further attention from other major labels. Granted, 40-50 cents per track is still a better deal than most digital download services and therefore makes eMusic attractive to prospective customers, but I think you've lost sight of the fact that the new pricing structure is a very significant hit to your existing customer base. I could understand an occasional increase of a few cents/month or even an extra dollar or two per month (like last year), but with this new price change in July, you're literally just about doubling the cost to current subscribers.
I'm currently on a plan that provides me 75 tracks/month - and being the music addict that I am, I need this higher plan considering my "Saved For Later" list hasn't dipped below 200 albums in quite a while. But now, in order to get the exact same number of downloads per month, I'm expected to pay $31/mo. instead of my current $16/mo.?! ...This is absolutely ridiculous in my opinion - in fact, when I read the new plan options, I honestly thought it was a mistake at first.
Granted, for this higher price, I will now be able to download albums from the Sony catalog, but the reality is that I never asked for this. Instead, I was simply told that I will have to pay twice as much for something I didn't want. Even if I had petitioned eMusic for the addition of the Sony catalog, I would've said "no thanks" as soon as you told me that it would practically double the cost of my subscription in order to get it.
Though it's been a tough decision given my previous love and advocacy for eMusic, I'm very sad to report that due to the lack of accommodating options for existing subscribers and the general inconsideration displayed by your company surrounding the proposed changes, I plan on cancelling my eMusic subscription out of principal when my renewal comes due in November (unless something drastically changes in the meantime).
Please keep in mind the voice of a concerned loyal customer before going through with the proposed changes.
Thank you for your consideration.
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