EFF, Public Knowledge Drop ACTA Lawsuit, Realizing 'National Secrets' Claim Will Block Them
from the really-unfortunate dept
With the Obama administration bizarrely claiming that documents pertaining to negotiations over ACTA, the industry-written treaty that will push countries to change their copyright laws, are somehow a state secret, EFF and Public Knowledge have reluctantly decided to drop their lawsuit to try to open up the proceedings and get access to the documents (freely shared with industry lobbyists, but kept secret from consumers or consumer watchdogs). Basically, they realized that by claiming it's a national secret, there was no way the lawsuit would get anywhere. The whole situation is really unfortunate. What a shame that the administration would be covering up for an entertainment industry's attempt to increase protectionism for its own broken business model, by claiming it was a "national secret."Thank you for reading this Techdirt post. With so many things competing for everyone’s attention these days, we really appreciate you giving us your time. We work hard every day to put quality content out there for our community.
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New openness in action...
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Oh Yeaaaaaaaahhhhh!
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Maybe an end run...
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http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=ACTA&go=Go
http://wikile aks.org/wiki/Classified_US%2C_Japan_and_EU_ACTA_trade_agreement_drafts%2C_2009
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And don't come back.
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We are going from a Republic to a Nationalist Fascist state.
I only hope he starts to redistribute the wealth of people like George Soros
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Super Secret Club
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Nothing to see
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Give it a few years for it to circle around the creative communities. Musicians and artists are already pissed off, they just need to re-focus their effort on the politicians responsible.
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I find that it COULD be fortunate. Who in this protectionist day and age would allow a treaty that contains "State Secretes" to be brought to the table and given to a foreign entity.
Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as: "...[a]...citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]."
If the ACTA contains state secretes would that not possible, make it possible, to seriously injure the parent nation (USA). I think that it would and any person approving and releasing the ACTA document should be charged with treason.
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Please tell me I'm missing the /sarcasm tag. It's a treaty to strengthen copyright agreements between nations. What "dangerous" state secrets could that possibly contain, other than associations between industry and politicians, which would be dangerous to the politician, not the State?
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"What "dangerous" state secrets could that possibly contain"
Thats the thing we do not know its a "STATE SECRETE". If they are not willing to release the treaty to the public for that reason then it is only safe to assume that the information could harm the USA.
So there for the treaty should be scrapped or have all state secretes removed. There is NO reason to have state secretes in a treaty unless to commit treason.
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....me too.
"Thats the thing we do not know its a "STATE SECRETE". If they are not willing to release the treaty to the public for that reason then it is only safe to assume that the information could harm the USA."
Why is it safe to assume that? Why not assume, as I do, that the power to label things state secrets will be abused to hide things? Most importantly, what "state secrets" are involved in the wording of this treaty that is unsafe to share with the American public, or at least watchdog groups, but is okay to share with the FOREIGN GOVT. we're entering into the treaty with? That doesn't make sense.
"So there for the treaty should be scrapped or have all state secretes removed. There is NO reason to have state secretes in a treaty unless to commit treason."
Good, we agree, but I'd go one further. My government has proven itself to be so corrupt that it should no longer be allowed to have state secrets. It's time to open everything up, to us the public, and even to the enemies abroad. If that makes us less safe, then so be it. I'd rather we be less safe and know EXACTLY what the fuck is going on.
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It's NOT bizarre once you understand that the "state secret" is most likely that the State is run by corporations. Face it, democracy was discarded long ago in favor of corporatocracy.
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Instead of taking such a reactive strategy (trying to fix the problem after the fact) it should take a more proactive strategy.
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They should keep fighting
Now, the issue isn't that they don't have the authority, but that they cannot simply wave about EO 12958 and state that its subject to its security classifications. No, there is a due process to this and an original classifying agency that must make the determination. Also the determination has no room for non-defined terms. The terms are very clearly defined in EO 12958 and yet in any release so far from (previously) the Bush Administration and now the Obama Administration is "get off our backs, we have Presidential Authority". Well big deal, your power comes from me, the citizen and I am asking for due process and transparency. Who the hell do they think they are?
Plus are they saying that industry insiders and PACs have some sort of official "clearance" to receive this information and debate it with them??? I think not, and again that would have to be transparent in its ways and means to the public. Hell they can't even fully claim that this is purely a "foreign relations matter" subject to arbitrary classification since the Treaty will likely affect U.S. Law. You could drive a truck through this... come on!!
They never should have dropped that suit. A very unwilling plaintiff or a very bad and lazy lawyer was at fault for dropping this. Shameful.
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Ordinarily, getting a security clearance involves completing an arduous background investigation, proof of need to know, etc.. However, those requirements can be waived by the President and those he authorizes to do so. Using that process, I've read that they're basically handing out security clearances like candy to entertainment industry lobbyists and executives these days. (Opposing groups? No.) So they're probably covered there.
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The President IS the Executive. It is within his power. And Executive Orders themselves can also be secret.
...as delegated by EO that we all have access to...
Which wouldn't include any secret orders.
If there is such a waiver available to the President, it is not only not in the national interest to have such an ability granted to the chief executive (says me and everyone else who loves freedom and transparent government) ...
I agree that it's being abused, but, for example, what do you think keeps the President from being prosecuted for disclosing "state secrets" when talking to foreign leaders about certain issues? Do you think those foreign leaders have all been through DSS investigations and "cleared" for that information? No, but the Executive can basically waive security requirements, even on the spot, when he wants to.
Oh, and the DSS is part of the Department of Defense, of which the President is the Commander in Chief. So he's pretty much their boss anyway.
I look forward to being proved wrong so I can at least say that this broken system is, indeed, at least a system and not arbitrary rule.
Presidential authority. That's why this abuse falls squarely in his lap. If you research you can probably find some more references to what I'm talking about, if you really want to. I'm no lawyer, just going on my non-lawyer personal experience with the subject. Of course, you wouldn't have access to secret Executive Orders, or if you did, you wouldn't be able disclose them to us anyway.
And "arbitrary" is in the eye of the President, it seems.
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