Swedish Appeals Court Denies Pirate Bay Retrial -- Says No Bias By Judge
from the no-bull,-no-bias dept
The Swedish appeals court charged with looking into whether or not the judge in the original trial against The Pirate Bay was biased, has said they found no bias (for real, this time) with the judge, despite his belonging to two groups that have pushed for stronger copyright laws -- and the fact that the prosecutors' lawyers were involved in that organization as well. Apparently, the court says the judge should have brought this information to light sooner, but otherwise said it was no big deal.According to Brokep, one of the four people convicted in the trial, the group plans to file charges against the court for human rights violations, and will claim that the appeals court judge was also biased. Not knowing much about Swedish law, I have no idea if that has any chance of succeeding, but it doesn't seem like the argument has worked all that well so far. Christian Engstrom, the Swedish Pirate Party member just elected to the EU Parliament seems to believe that the courts are blinded by the high profile of the case, such that they're applying the law incorrectly:
This is part of a pattern. It show that the Swedish legal system is no longer to be trusted when it comes to copyright cases. It's a travesty of justice quite simply. There are certainly problems with the laws too but this also shows that the courts are not capable of applying the laws in a correct manner. I've been a lay judge for seven years and I've never seen an indictment as bad as the Pirate Bay verdict. But that didn't stop the court from setting ridiculous sentences.Now, of course defenders of the entertainment industry's position seem to have a blind spot as to how The Pirate Bay can possibly be considered legal, but Engstrom's right. The law in Sweden doesn't seem to have been applied properly, since The Pirate Bay itself does not host any infringing files directly. It seems like the court still doesn't quite understand that fact. Either way, Engstrom seems to recognize that chances for winning on appeal seem unlikely as well. Instead, he's hoping that citizens will recognize that the law itself needs to be fixed even more:
This makes it clear that the only way to win this battle is through politics. It's a political issue and it's going to be decided at the general election in 2010.
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The sounds of the sourest of grapes.
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Swedes...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWohdwiLFbI
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWohdwiLFbI
Good News! The Bananas have been found, and will be returned.
See: http://www.trendhunter.com/photos/42338/9
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I would say that smart people would create a torrent system with only approved material on it, and make sure their tracker becomes popular, seperating themselves from the pirates that are about to go down.
It's the end, my friends, joining Oink and all the other cute but not entirely legal ideas that went before them.
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Seriously, the next step is decentralized torrent searches and indexes. Once there's not website to go after (or rather, any of 1000s of easily duplicable websites) who will they then go after?
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yeah right, you mean like demonoid or EZTV that have been shutdown and resurrected?
nope, it's just the beginning. if TPB acutally shuts down (which it won't) and doesn't come back up in short order (which it will) there will be 5 new websites to take it's place, meaning 5 new sets of torrents to snoop, assuming the community doesn't go to something like TOR.
did you know you can run services on the TOR network? TOR is like a big secret anonymous darknet. it's awesome.
TPB is what it is and does what it does to make a political statement. if they do get shut down, and less political and more underground groups step in to fill the void then the real skulduggery will start. i can't wait!
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torrent sites are finding less and less friendly ground to work from. Sweden was one of the few non-communist block nations where they could operate. Most of the current torrent sites have fairly short lives, come and go quickly.
"TPB is what it is and does what it does to make a political statement." There is a lie - they do what they do to be famous and to make a shitload of money, hidden in offshore accounts. Please be accurate in your statements.
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yeah, oink went away, but what.cd took it's place, no doubt along with at least a couple of others that i am not aware of.
if there is no place to run to then why did demonoid come back online after being shut down? the shutdown actually did me a favor cuz i was finally able to get an account.
why did eztv.efnet.org go offline for a month and re-appear even stronger as eztv.it? it's public too.
they do what they do to be famous and to make a shitload of money, hidden in offshore accounts. Please be accurate in your statements.
sure they make a lot of money and they are famous. after all, they do run one of the most heavily visited websites in the world. you know what helps you spread your political views? being famous and making money. you know what is guaranteed to get you laid? being famous and making money. they are probably just as interested in impressing girls.
being famous and making money doesn't change the fact that they use TPB as a sounding board for their political views about privacy, ip reform, and internet culture:
http://thepiratebay.org/doodles
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they also taunt the ifpi:
http://static.thepiratebay.org/doodles/sinai08.jpg
hollywood too:
http://static.thepiratebay.org/doodles/hollywood.jpg
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Court of last instance
Mike Masnick wrote:
I would say that that’s not relevant, if it’s going to end up in the European Court of Human Rights. As a supra-national court, the ECtHR has an outsider’s perspective and is inherently independent. If the Swedish judicial system does have a serious internal problem, let’s call it institutional bias, there’s a good chance the ECtHR would rule in favour of the plantiff(s).
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Guilt versus Fairness
Was the judge biased? Being a member of those organizations associated with the copyright lobbyists the judge is definitely biased. Even if he is not the mere appearance of the possibility of being biased should have been enough to have a mistrial.
Sweden seems to like to remind you they had a solid and profitable trade relation with Nazi Germany during 1939 - 1945. The government mindset that allowed that seems to still exist.
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Many other parts of the world don't have the warped US mentality about bias, where somehow every judge is suppose to have lived their lives in a bubble without ever doing any business, owning any shares, or even expressing any opinions.
Get over it. TPB lost. Endit.
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Explain to me how that isn't biased. Please.
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I agree this is probably the future of torrents. Also improvements in using distributed seeding. So rather than (potentially) sharing the whole file you are only are available to share smaller portions of it to prevent you from ever actually sending a complete infringing work to someone else.
I also think we're going to see pirate methods that fringe on fair use pretty soon. Essentially encryption methods that rely on a creative component supplied by the user (say an image file or a music track) so when you distribute the file you are skirting the concept of fair use (and it's the users infringing when they decrypt it).
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Not my yob!
Wow... cool.
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Conspiracy to commit... it's a wonderful crime.
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Three Monkeys
Film at eleven
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Balance?
So is he "keeping up with current developments", or not?
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