BPI Admits It Screwed Up Over Napster... But Why Should We Trust It Now?
from the leaves-that-part-out dept
It seems like it's become the "in thing" in the recording industry these days to "admit" that suing Napster, rather than working out a deal, was a "mistake" ten years ago. Of course, plenty of folks were telling them this at the time, but we were brushed aside as wackos who just wanted free stuff. The latest to make this claim is BPI's Geoff Taylor, who says he "regrets" that the industry didn't move faster to embrace online music. But, of course, Taylor and others still don't get it. They still want ISPs to police users. They still claim that piracy is a legal problem, and they still seem to get the facts wrong. Taylor claims: "There is simply no getting around the fact that billions of illegal free downloads of music every year in the UK mean that significantly less money is coming into the music ecosystem."Except... that's not true at all. As a recent Harvard study showed, the amount of money going into the "music ecosystem" has grown -- tremendously. The only thing that's dropping is the sale of plastic discs.
In the meantime, considering BPI and others were so incredibly wrong 10 years ago, and they're only willing to admit it now, why is it that they think everyone should trust them now -- and that those of us who were actually right 10 years ago should still be brushed off as wackos who just want stuff for free? Perhaps it's time to start actually listening to those who have been pointing out new ways to embrace what consumers want to do with music in order to make more money. Otherwise, we'll be seeing the same thing in another 10 years, about how BPI's Geoff Taylor (or whoever replaces him) made a mistake trying to shut down The Pirate Bay.
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Filed Under: copyright, geoff taylor, music, uk
Companies: bpi, napster
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Not really, this is a very different animal now.
napster indicated the public's willingness to get their music online. It indicated that demand existed, a real business model to sell music. The record industry as a whole missed it.
TPB? They indicate the public's willingness to steal anything that isn't nailed down properly. it is very hard to convince people use to getting something for nothing (and more of it every day) to suddenly start paying again.
Napster was an idea. It showed people music could be digital.
TPB has ingrained the idea that music has no cost into everyone mind, and as that goes along, they are also managing to snap the elastic to show that music also has little value.
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"Sharing is Caring", don't know what stealing you are talking about. See you in ten.
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Yeah, tell that to Apple.
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Music will take 30-50 years for the execs to embrace 100%. That or 6 months after bankruptcy.
I'd love to see these comments non-anonymous, but I guess some people aren't willing to step up huh? Paid shills suckle their cash teats some more, no doubt.
Oh and napster? Please. There were lots of other services around at the same time. Napster was just one that hit it big. I remember an AIM version, kazaa, dc++, morpheus, grokster, edonkey. This stuff isn't going away.
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Its infringe not steal.... ie infringe on copyright
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http://www.boycott-riaa.com/myactions
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BitTorrent was designed for the sole purpose of file sharing.
How can you state that BitTorrent is worse than Napster? It isn't worse as its designed intent is completely different from Napster and isn't as user-friendly.
Thus, Napster truly was to "indicate the public's willingness to steal anything that isn't nailed down properly. it is very hard to convince people use to getting something for nothing (and more of it every day) to suddenly start paying again"
BitTorrent is designed for general purpose file sharing of generally large files distributed into small pieces over numerous nodes.
If you're talking about missed opportunities then both are missed opportunites. Both present new technologies and business models that many industries fail to utilize and ignorantly scold.
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Oh here we go...
And ignorant moron award of the day goes TO.....
I guess iTunes doesnt exist and cant work....someone better tell Apple, they have made a HUGE mistake!
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People still buy the dreaded shiny discs and read newspapers. From what I read around here, those are dying businesses too.
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It's too bad that this company - and others like them - weren't held up as a positive example, their distribution model for music delivery refined and respected by the major head-up-the-ass music companies. MusicMaker went out of business around 2001, lauded as an ambitious but late-blooming idea.
The music industry goon squads - the RIAA and the BPI - have lost the war. My friends' kids, thirteen, eighteen and twenty-one years old, have never owned a music CD. Nor have they ever paid for any music they've downloaded over the years.
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...and at that rate, can you really see any more music being made at the level they are use to?
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Oh here we go...
Earth to retard: The world was like this BEFORE iTunes. iTunes has sold billions of songs. iTunes has made (at LEAST) $10 billion in sales since inception, thats at the SAME TIME as all this file sharing going on. The ratio will ALWAYS BE in favor of the sharers, it always HAS been. The fact that serious money can be made in SPITE of that is where people should be focusing their efforts.
The Dark Knight was heavily shared, and it is the 2nd highest grossing movie of all time.
Wolverine was leaked WEEKS BEFORE the release, and it made $200 million.
Its not how many are sharing, its how many are paying, and why.
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Always nice you slide to name calling within seconds.
Wolverine, let's see - "leaked" with all the visual effects missing and potential with some scenes missing, not a complete product. Also "leaked" isn't the correct word, more like stolen from the studio and dumped on the net.
Not quite the same thing, now is it?
Oh wait... maybe it is in your fantasy world.
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Between the Lines
Reading between the lines of Taylor's statement that he regrets the music industry's reluctance to embrace Napster, I think what he meant was, "We should have bought Napster out immediately and turned it into an online storefront with the same prices we charge in brick and mortar stores." His regret isn't that they took down Napster, but that they turned themselves into the enemy while doing so. They should have played like they were excited about Napster and slowly inoculated it to preserve their margins.
The industry's dumbest move was making the internet a weapon of the people rather than a tool for maintaining the status quo. As soon as the issue was framed as the internet vs. the RIAA, the game was over for them.
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He has to call you a name, as you won't tell him your real one.
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1.) Made a hidden attempt at an insult with "Earth to ... "
2.) Complain about name calling within seconds when a response of "Earth to retard" was provided to a unnecessary comment of your of "Earth to ... "
3.) Constantly attempting to instigate a flame in this topic.
4.) Unnacceptive of different perspectives.
5.) Finding a need to provide a response to every response. Your sarcasm fails to be impressive.
AC, here's some advice, especially if you're a lawyer or a manager, do something more productive with your time. You're posting on a board with a totally different viewpoint and looking to instigate a flame war.
Furthermore, you're suggesting that sharing music is bad. Therefore, me sharing my music CD's is bad based on your definition. Seriously, find something else to do or write more compelling arguments that look less like lame attempts at sarcasm or instigating flames.
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1.) Made a hidden attempt at an insult with "Earth to ... "
2.) Complain about name calling within seconds when a response of "Earth to retard" was provided to a unnecessary comment of your of "Earth to ... "
3.) Constantly attempting to instigate a flame in this topic.
4.) Unnacceptive of different perspectives.
5.) Finding a need to provide a response to every response. Your sarcasm fails to be impressive.
AC, here's some advice, especially if you're a lawyer or a manager, do something more productive with your time. You're posting on a board with a totally different viewpoint and looking to instigate a flame war.
Furthermore, you're suggesting that sharing music is bad. Therefore, me sharing my music CD's is bad based on your definition. Seriously, find something else to do or write more compelling arguments that look less like lame attempts at sarcasm or instigating flames.
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It is 20 / 20 hindsight
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Rest in peace, music industry.
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Same ol' _ _ _ _
And that's the great tragedy of TPB going down. Ever want to hear something that was never released for sale on CD? A movie only made for another region? A 4 year old piece of software that's no longer available?
The copyright battle is about control over the marketplace and limiting competition. People just don't buy $300 mp3 players if they aren't willing to spend money on music. It was RIAA member's choice to prevent CD's they sold from being used where customers wanted (rootkits).
It's too little, too late.
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