Dance Reality Show Barred From Doing A Michael Jackson Tribute
from the pay-up-to-honor-MJ dept
Krharrison alerts us to the news that the popular reality TV competition show "So You Think You Can Dance" was barred from doing a planned tribute to Michael Jackson on its most recent show because someone (exactly who isn't clear) refused to give permission. What a great society we live in when you need permission to do a tribute to someone's music.Thank you for reading this Techdirt post. With so many things competing for everyone’s attention these days, we really appreciate you giving us your time. We work hard every day to put quality content out there for our community.
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Not so bad really
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Again, without details of who turned down what or refused what, you have no idea what the full story is.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySnp4YXU6JQ
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It's actually a Red-capped Manaki, which is native to Peru, but man... You got to get your birds right.
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It's actually a Red-capped Manakin, which is native to Peru, but man... You got to get your birds right.
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Michael Jackson Tribute
Besides that, haven't we had enough of MJ for a while? Plus, in the coming weeks will will be bombarded with autopsy reports, investigations, and who will get control of the children, who will get his money, provided there is any, etc.
MJ was an awesome artist and a 'trailblazer' in music. His music will live on,forever. What I am most anxious to see is those artist that put together tribute acts.
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Hey lets make some money off this dead guy, if we act all pious we can capitalize on his success for free!
If they want to do a tribute show a quick dedication at the start of the show is all it takes. If they want to use the mans music they should pay the same fees they would have a month ago.
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Also MJ gets to join the "died while still young and famous" cult of celebrities whose sins are all forgiven and are canonized forever, along with Elvis, Marilyn Monroe, James Dean, Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison, Janis Joplin, Princess Diana, and even Kurt Cobain.
And the real irony is that MJ is the OLDEST (at death anyway) of that bunch.
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But I will have to agree that we already had too much of MJ.
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he is dead, get over it.
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Dance
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Doesn't this make sense?
Unless my copyright knowledge is way off, as long as you pay the relevant fees to the author, you can cover any song you want, and nobody has rights of refusal. They can only refuse using the copyrighted sound recording, which must be what the TV show wanted.
You can argue how long copyrights should be held (which is currently way too long), but the idea of a copyright holder determining usage of his/her work in that period is completely acceptable to me.
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So no, I don't think it is so simple as just "cashing in". There was genuine disappointment when they announced that they wouldn't be able to do the tribute.
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but the idea of a copyright holder determining usage of his/her work in that period is completely acceptable to me.
Unfortunately for your argument, you assume the copyright holder is the artist, which both in this case and most others is NOT true. MJ didn't refuse use of anything because he's DEAD.
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Thank you for that clarification.
I never claimed the copyright holder is the artist. If someone else paid for the copyright, s/he purchased control of the work. Again, I'm not arguing the length of copyrights or whether record companies are predatory in taking copyright from the artists. I'm simply saying that a lawful holder of a valid copyright should have the right to refuse permission for their work to be used verbatim in a context like a TV show, movie or commercial.
(I'll add that I'm not talking about a transformative work either, which is a different issue.)
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How is that any different than just using the original songs to begin with? I think using the originals is also much more appropriate for a tribute.
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I never claimed the copyright holder is the artist.
Really? You claim this but then say:
I'm simply saying that a lawful holder of a valid copyright should have the right to refuse permission for their work
Somewhat of an oxymoron there when it comes to the vast majority of copyright situations out there. Tell me, why should I have to pay Michael Jackson or his relatives to be able to play a Beatles song? Seems kind of stupid to me. But yet that's the case. Point is, copyright as it stands today is completely broken and needs to be redone in a bad way from the ground up.
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In your opinion, should people not be able to sell copyrights? Jackson might've been a jerk for buying his friend's music, but being a jerk isn't a legal or economic differentiator. Being the original creator doesn't overrule fair trade.
I'm not arguing that copyright isn't severely messed up. It is. I'm only claiming that one purpose it properly serves is letting the rights holder control certain usage of that material. Usage on a TV show definitely falls under that umbrella. Whether it's smart for the owner to restrict that usage is another issue, but that's a choice for the rights owner to make, not anyone else.
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Why?
No, seriously. Why?
State the logic behind having such "control" over something like this? You have made a rudimentary claim, but I question your reasoning.
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wrong show
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I gave the example of "Beat It" being used in a car dealership ad. It promotes the image of the place by using a popular song, and would create a negative association for the song if the place is disreputable. Without restriction, any group could use anything for any purpose they wanted.
It's easy to see how being associated with, or helping promote (by association, or the power of music/art) religions, political causes, or other organizations might not be what someone wants to do. An artist should be able to create works without worrying about how they could be misappropriated.
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It's different because the DJ cut it up and rearranged it. So the result is a transformative expression of the original. In other words, not the same song.
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Michael Jackson
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