AT&T Blocks 4chan Over DDoS... But May Not Like What Happens Next...
from the that-would-not-be-a-good-thing... dept
A few folks have submitted the news that, apparently, AT&T is blocking access to a certain subdomain of 4chan. I just checked on my own AT&T DSL account and it's true that I can't get there (I can get there if I don't go via AT&T). That doesn't mean that AT&T definitely is blocking it, but there are reports that folks at AT&T have admitted that it's true. If you don't know what 4chan is, the 4chan Wikipedia page is probably the best way to understand it. Even if the site is controversial for some, it does seem quite extreme for AT&T to do an outright block, without any official warning or immediate explanation. Outright blocking of websites, without recourse and without a clear explanation of why, is extremely questionable and the sort of "net neutrality" violation that the FCC would likely come down hard against. If it's true that there's a block, perhaps AT&T is assuming that no one serious (such as the FCC) would come to the defense of 4chan, but that might be a mistake (in part because AT&T probably won't like what happens when 4chan decides to come to its own defense). Hopefully this will be explained away as a mistake. So far, the best explanation I've seen is (via 4chan) the claim that the subdomain was involved in some sort of DDoS attack, but you would think that, if that were the case, AT&T would have just made that clear from the beginning. Not coming out with a clear and concise explanation just looks bad, and seems to be stirring up 4chan folks to make a statement -- something AT&T almost certainly does not want. AT&T may be able to tap your phones, but getting on the wrong side of 4chan seems like a bad, bad idea.Update: As expected, AT&T has confirmed (as we believed) that this was over a DDoS attack:
Beginning Friday, an AT&T customer was impacted by a denial-of-service attack stemming from IP addresses connected to img.4chan.org. To prevent this attack from disrupting service for the impacted AT&T customer, and to prevent the attack from spreading to impact our other customers, AT&T temporarily blocked access to the IP addresses in question for our customers. This action was in no way related to the content at img.4chan.org; our focus was on protecting our customers from malicious traffic.That said, I still think AT&T failed here, in that they did not make this clear from the outset. If they had stated upfront what the situation was, in conjunction with the temporary block, they would have been much better off. But by silently blocking, they kicked off a firestorm that had to have been expected by anyone aware of 4chan.
Overnight Sunday, after we determined the denial-of-service threat no longer existed, AT&T removed the block on the IP addresses in question. We will continue to monitor for denial-of-service activity and any malicious traffic to protect our customers.
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4chan's clientele aren't the most forgiving people I've seen, either.
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DDoS FROM 4chan?
I'm glad I stocked up on popcorn, this one promises to be entertaining :D
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Now owners own ISP blocking him
If this is true got feeling this whole thing will be related to the DDos attacks, if you look at 4chan status page they were under DDoS attack themselves just over a week ago
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4chan appears to be under attack right now..
It's a serious attack though..
Who have (haven't) they annoyed this time?
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Network Neutrality? Hah!
Any way, the moral of the story is that ISPs can and do block things, even for political reasons, and I have yet to see the FCC do anything about it. They can always claim it's for "security" if they have to.
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Common Carrier
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So it's not the first and won't be the last they take care of the issue first, and publicly address it later.
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4chan being blocked
This is something that is, as far as I can tell, highly suspicious AND a dangerous precedent for neutrality.
But I am completely unsurprised by who has done this.
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LOLCATZ
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Screenshot of an email from the president of UnWired (another ISP that also blocked img.4chan.org, or more specifically the IP address for that subdomain).
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Blocking
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AT&T's closed
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Re: blocked by everyone
If you like their content or not is not the issue. If there are people wanting to go there (and clearly there are) then who are you, or AT&T, to say they should/cannot?
If people started blocking anything they simply didn't approve of than the web would be gone for good.
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And this is a good, could you imagine if they had no "home" anymore, they would spread everywhere else
My 4chan live forever
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Is there an ISP out there that doesn't suck?
In a related note, this /b/tard appears to still have access...lurking whilst I can.
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this DSL user not blocked
Altho I'd never been to 4chan, I had no trouble accessing their site.
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By 'a customer', I'm pretty sure AT&T meant something like "Mega Corp A's entire visible network and corporate-wide public access infrastructure" rather than 'a person'.
I agree with another poster: if it looked like the DDoS came from 4chan, it was probably just a springboard rather than the originator. That being said, a network administrator, particularly one with so many people depending on its service, really *needs to actively defend against attacks when they are in progress. Its not just commerce that gets disrupted, but also free-commerce.
As long as they actually restore access to innocent sites caught up in the DDoS, I don't see a problem with what they did.
Still.... it had to be 4Chan. Poor AT&T.
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Unlikely 4chan was "attacking" AT&T
This to someone obviously incompetent at AT&T looked like 4chan attacking AT&T. So instead of blocking the customers or providing them with information on how to uninflect their computers, the problem still exists.
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Better description of 4chan
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/4chan (NSFW)
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I don't condone censorship and I certainly don't condone lies "in the name of lulz". The only thing 4 Chan has proven again and again, is that they are infantile and violent. A bunch of two year olds who go on tirades. And just like an out of control two year old, they need some REAL hard slaps from the school of hard knocks.
Any consequences or denial of internet access to AT&T customers due to NAZI actions emanating from 4 Chan [or any other hacker creeps for that matter], I pray that they are caught, rounded up, prosecuted beyond the extent of the law, thrown in a windowless cell and locked up forever until the day they die.
I commend AT&T for taking the step forward and I sincerely hope that other ISP'S follow suit ASAP. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. Hackers cause destruction, chaos, waste everyones time and energy. Normal people on the net are SICK AND TIRED of these two year old tantrum antics that 4 Chan displays on a daily basis. These hacker creeps really and truly need to GROW THE F*** UP.
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Also, the key thing is that this wasn't announced in the initial report by AT&T. This, more than anything, makes it look very suspicious, and more like the update was more damage limitation.
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you need to learn a bit more before you go on a tirade.
here is a network engineer from unWired explaining why they had blocked 4Chan as well
"There has been alot of customers on our network who were complaining about ACK
scan reports coming from 207.126.64.181. We had no choice but to block that
single IP until the attacks let up. It was a decision I made with the gentleman
that owns the colo facility currently hosts 4chan. There was no other way around
it. I'm sure AT&T is probably blocking it for the same reason. 4chan has been
under attack for over 3 weeks, the attacks filling up an entire GigE. If you
want to blame anyone, blame the script kiddies who pull this kind of stunt.
Regards,
Shon Elliott
Senior Network Engineer
unWired Broadband, Inc."
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