IFPI: The Pirate Party Shouldn't Be Allowed To Hold Its Positions
from the fascinating dept
I haven't been posting about the formation of local versions of The Pirate Party (a name I still hate) in places like the UK and Finland because I actually don't think it's that big a deal. However, Ville Valtasaari writes in and alerts us to the response of the IFPI to the formation of the party in Finland, which, oddly, seems to suggest that the IFPI doesn't think The Pirate Party should be allowed support its own positions at all:"We are absolutely against the idea that any political party can give their support to the idea of free use of protected content."Apparently freedom of political expression isn't high on the list of things the old recording industry likes. I have no problem with the IFPI saying that they disagree with the reasons for The Pirate Party's platform, but that's not what's being said here. The IFPI is claiming that no political party should be allowed to support such positions. Of course, the quote also totally misunderstands the party's position, but that's not much of a surprise.
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"We are absolutely against the idea that any political party can give their support to the idea of free use of PROTECTED content."
To me, the key word in that sequence is "protected". Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Pirate Party does not stand for free use of protected content. Rather, they stand for limiting the protections of such content.
This carefully worded statement actually probably doesn't conflict with the Pirate Party in any way...
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But yeah, they've gotten sillier lately. Too much ridiculous news, I guess...
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I see what you mean, but again, if it isn't protected material then the entire statement by IFPI would not apply. So if the Pirate Party wanted to, say, eliminate copyright protection, this statement has nothing t do with that. It's only talking about "support(ing) to the idea of free use of protected content".
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it's the pirate party. DON'T START MAKING COMPROMISES.
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Copyright notice
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And I am absolutely against the idea that anyone should be allowed to lobby for the extension of copyright terms and the re-protection of content that has passed into the public domain.
Sauce for the goose......
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Smoke and mirrors
Wonderful strawman there, since no one in the other political parties supports it either. But they can say that and make it SEEM like thats what the other side represents, when in fact they never said any such thing. They know this too. Total manipulation, and not a surprise at all coming from the *IAA's of the world. Where the truth wont fit their agenda, something invented and lies will do instead.
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This proves, that if you p**s off your customers enough, they will start to take action. Copyright holder beware, you days are numbered!!! LOL
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Other side of the coin
On the other side of the coin, let's look at what is going on with streaming audio. Let's say that you want to set up an internet radio station to stream nothing but music that is not protected. You still have to pay, and most likely, you have to pay a LOT.
If the industry thinks that people should get free access to protected content, then it is only fair that the industry should not get to charge for unprotected content.
The music industry should also not get the right to restrict access to music that musicians want to give away purely for the joy of sharing their music (a real motive for some) or for those who want to promote their own music. However, keeping control of music distribution is what the RIAA, IFPI and others are really concerned about. They will do everything they can, including imposing industry taxes on any other form of music distribution just so that they can keep control.
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I would like evidence for this, where are the laws dictating this?
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If the US courts had not been really stupid about sound copyright then there would also be a substantial amount of public domain music that you could stream for free.
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Uhm, so does IFPI really stands for International Fascist Parade of Idiots?
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Oh come now
"I would like evidence for this, where are the laws dictating this?"
Please be kidding. Seriously. You cant with a straight face doubt that statement. At least in the USA, there are performance collection societies that are allowed, by law, to collect even if you are NOT a member of them, even if you WANT to give your music away for free. If you want to stream, you have to pay a big license fee PLUS per-song/user fees NO MATTER THE CONTENT. Let me repeat that. You pay REGARDLESS of the content, regardless if the content is PD, CC, copyright, not copyright, or even if the rights holder has given his open consent to use his music for free. The "station" pays, regardless. The collection societies collect, regardless. Someone could specifically tell them not to collect on material they own the copyright too...and they STILL get to collect on it. Most other countries' collection societies work similar (PRS, ASCAP, etc).
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I've spoken with a representative from Sound Exchange for a good bit about my concerns with them "collecting royalties" on music that I've released using the CC as well as payments for streaming CC only internet radio. I have no reason to believe that they were misrepresending the facts but it does seem that the above is true.
If you want to fight the system, you, as a musician and recording artist, are still free to step outside of it and do your own thing. The one stumbling block, however, are the increasing interference by the powers to criminalize and make difficult performing in a live setting outside the system. Corporations like Clear Channel are buying out venues left and right and paying for laws which make performances outside of their venues either very expensive to the venue owners or simply illegal. I know that in Philadelphia, if you are not part of teh established venue cabal, law enforcement will arrest you, take your equipment (or just destroy it), and very simply make life hard on you. Sad but true.
So while everyone is busy being distracted by one side of the issue, the evil doers are sneaking around the flanks to cut off all other alternatives.
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Can you please provide what laws these are. It's not that I don't believe you but I think it would do us good for everyone to know what laws you are referring to. What incidents are you referring to, are there any specific cases. It would be nice if some blogger investigative journalist looked into this. The public needs to know. Then again, it seems unlikely the public will do anything to stop it. It's been publicly known by everyone that taxi cab medallions limit taxi competition and it should be common sense that the reason has nothing to do with any good intentions. Yet people just allow it to happen. We simply don't care, we're too apathetic and we allow our system to turn into tyranny. It's really sad, just don't know what to do anymore. Our whole political election is a scam. Everything about this nation is a scam. and the people seem helpless to fix it.
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http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090109/1823043352.shtml
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At the same time we need more election integrity. Read my posts here
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090608/2201455173.shtml
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So that if the VP has to take over halfway through a Presidency, for whatever reason, he/she does not "lose" a 4 year term.
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Translation?
The use of verbs like "can", which have complex and subtle meanings, is exactly the kind of thing that trips up non-native speakers. The "permission" aspect of "can" is not the primary one; in fact, in most contexts, one would prefer "may" for permission and "can" for "possibility". But he can't possibly me that it's *impossible* for the Pirate Party to hold such positions, since they manifestly do.
I can't tell you what Arto Alaspaeae actually meant. I wasn't there, I can't ask him. I certainly believe he strongly disagrees with everything the Pirate Party stands for. But I doubt he was trying to dictate what positions they should be *allowed* to take.
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He didn't mean what you read that he said.
I can't tell you what he really meant.
I believe he disagrees with TPP
But I doubt he ........
Wow, that is clear as mud
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If I hold a position and the government kills me then it becomes impossible for me to hold that position. So he can, indeed, mean that it's impossible. If the government shuts down a political party that holds a specific position or disallows it to form then it indeed is IMPOSSIBLE for a party to hold such a position. So he could have meant that and it is probably exactly what he meant.
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http://www.piraattipuolue.fi/english
What a moron!
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And they wonder why
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they need to be careful ifpi
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