Will People Pay CNN To Help Them Report The News?
from the shouldn't-that-work-in-the-other-direction? dept
I've been seeing good reviews for CNN's new iPhone app, that's apparently well-designed. Lots of people are pointing out that the app is being offered for $2, as they wonder if people will "pay for the news." Except, of course, anyone with an iPhone can access cnn.com for free via their browser. So, if they're paying for anything, it must be additional features or convenience that the app allows -- not the content itself. And, for all the good reviews of the app, there's one "feature" being promoted that I'm not so sure I understand. Everyone keeps talking up how the app will turn anyone with an iPhone into an on-the-spot reporter:Among the high points of the CNN app: It offers the chance to essentially join the CNN reporting team. Readers are invited to submit their own photos and video clips to iReport, a feature CNN already uses on its Web site for gathering material from the public.Reading this, all I can think is that CNN is asking people to pay it to work for CNN. If it works, bravo for CNN, but that does feel a little backwards, doesn't it? I can totally understand user-generated content sites where people do work for prestige rather than money, but I'm not sure how enticing it is to get people to pay to do work for you...
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Seriously though, read the fine print and I guarantee they can do anything they want with your submitted pictures and video, including profit off of it. Use one of their pictures though, and you will be hearing from their lawyers. Way to one sided for me to contribute.
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well.. duh... wtf you think people would submit the content for anyways? so it can go dusty while noone does anything with it?
People WANT their stuff to get featured. it's a thrill for them. Morally non-corrupt people don't care if CNN makes money off it.
If you didnt want your stuff to get used.. why else would you go through the effort of reporting it?
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My point is, I am not going to submit content to them for free when I can't use their content for free. See how that works, it is a relationship.
So morally non-corrupt CNN should reciprocate right?
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So? Other's will, cause they have no interest in making commercial use of CNN's "stuff".
They care about doing fun things, and being a part of reporting the news is fun for them.
CNNs morality is a not really relevant. Sure, some people like yourself, will avoid this but not for the reasons you are trying to state; You will avoid taking part in this because you don't like CNN.
And that's fine. There's plenty of people who don't have that opinion, or who find their opinion of the company to be irrelevant when it comes to their decision to have fun or not.
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You also say CNN's morality is not relevant but in your first post you say that my morality is. Huh?
Then you say that I don't like CNN. Do you assume I like Fox News? Do you think ANY news organization will have rules any different than CNN?
Also, why get so testy about me and my reasons for not participating? I know there will be plenty of people who do and that is their choice just like I make my choice. Neither is right or wrong here, just personal decisions.
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Read that sentence to yourself over and over again.
Then you might understand just how much you said with those few words.
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Read the next sentence and you will see how much I said with those few words. Much like many news reports, you take a snippet of the conversation and try to twist it to say what you want it to say. Now take in the whole paragraph and you see what my complaint really is.
My whole point is, the relationship is completely one sided. They can do anything they want with the stuff you submit including profit. You can do NOTHING with their stuff, even if you don't profit.
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Lets see, why would they not have other options? Maybe because the FCC and other government organizations limit competition on airwaves and cable and broadcast infrastructure. Why would they do that? Perhaps because the morally corrupt CNN and others have unethically lobbied for it. Uhm.... so morally non - corrupt would would not support such a corrupt organization.
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Just goes to show the (one sided) mentality of intellectual property maximists. With their own words they destroy themselves.
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You're missing the point. The point is that people will still submit and broadcast news WITHOUT intellectual property laws and society does NOT owe CNN or anyone a monopoly/copyright on anything. If society is to have intellectual property laws they should not be one sided to the benefit of a rich and powerful corporation at the cost of society.
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Many of the people that do submit to news stations would much rather their work not be the copyright material of the news stations. But the laws are too one sided in favor of mainstream media to allow this.
This is more evidence that intellectual property laws do little to help the author of material. They don't help the person who took the picture and submitted it, they help the rich and the powerful corporations that receive it. That's what the laws in this nation are designed to do, to give rich and powerful entities an unlevel playing field and it's the lobbying efforts of these big corporations, thanks to their lack of moral standards, that causes this.
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Will CNN give credit to the person who submits data?
By submittal, does that person lose all rights associated with that data?
Yes, the only reason a morally non-corupt person would send CNN data they gathered is for the thrill of it all. Certainly, there would be no other reason.
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The submitter won't likely care.
By submittal, does that person lose all rights associated with that data?
That is assumed.
Yes, the only reason a morally non-corupt person would send CNN data they gathered is for the thrill of it all
Right.
Certainly, there would be no other reason.
The sarcasm is strong in this one, but you are missing the point. This platform is not about amateurs making a few bucks off their hobby.. this is a platform to enable participants to participate for the thrill of participation.
Kinda like the comments section of this blog.
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A big issue they will have is that the person who submits the content can no longer use that content without the threat of lawsuit.
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Morally non - corrupt people would not want CNN or anyone to hold a copyright on material they submit. They would want to submit the work so that the world can benefit, not so that some entity can have control over how much the world benefits and only allow the world to benefit to the extent that it helps that entity out.
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"Reading this, all I can think is that CNN is asking people to pay it to work for CNN"
is moot ...
but this is Rupert Murdoch we are talking about... so it was probably created by CNN
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Murdoch owns CNN too? I thought it was just Fox News....
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Me? I would have told him that when he can figure out how NOT to show Twister nine gazillion times a year on TBS, he'll get his dollar...
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It was a curious situation. I was at the St. Francis for an AT&T tech symposium at the time, and when I went out front on a break, Ted was milling around out front with his sidekick.
I didn't recognize the man at the time, but he was going on about 'its crazy how many beggars there are in this city, right down Van Ness .. blah blah' (he was actually right of course, its was a big racket in SF at the time). Then I heard him say something like, "i've got to give this a try", and he walked right up to me, asking adamantly..
"Hey, you got a minute? Can I bum a dollar for lunch??"
At the time, I was even less subtle than I am today, if you can imagine that. I glanced at his haircut, his tailored 'casual wear', the fine watch, then down to his alligator skin shoes, and noticed his sidekick was wearing the same thing. I repled, "I don't think so, buddy!".
He chuckled at me and said "you're alright" then milled around on the sidewalk asking passersby the same. Most flat out ignored him, didn't even look. One guy was walking by talking on a cell phone, and he looked at Ted with recognition, pointed and belly laughed, but walked on not breaking stride or hanging up.
It wasn't until a few minutes later, when glancing at his watch he complained "Women! They make you wait, that's their purpose in life, making you wait".
He came back over to me and complained about women on this same line for a minute, when I suddenly recognized Jane Fonda walking out of the St. Francis taking up Ted and whisking him away to a Giants game.
This is the man who gave the U.N. a billion dollars. I should have told him, "sure, here's a dollar... can I bum a million?"
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In any case, that IS an awesome story...
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Good for CNN
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Spin
It all depends on how you spin it. If you can get people to buy pet rocks, you can probably get them to pay to work for you too. I'm convinced that the most valuable skill for success in life today is the ability to run one's mouth and make people think what you want them to. If you can do that, they'll do anything, even send their children off to die for you.
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Fox News iPhone app - I cant wait /s
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WHAT A SCAM!
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Can't understand the morality.
The one thing I think they made a mistake is the $1 dollar rule. In an age where you can find things in abundance $2 dollars seems overpriced. People want to be part of lots of sites and not just one or two is like missing a limb or something and it also make people start thinking about quality and complain if it was priced at cents they would be in the "WTF! why not?" area.
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Apparantly CNN has a fence...
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Tom Sawyer from "The Adventures of Tom Sawyer".
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I don't think that's the point
Now that dosen't mean they can't also implement the "report for CNN" elsewhere, but at this time, the current strategy seems to be the winning one.
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I'm assuming that there is SOME recognition of the originator of the story, and there is probably a certain value to potentially having your name attached to such a story.
Could story originators this way use that as a way to promote themselves as "guerilla (sp?) journalists"? Or something for journalism students or aspiring reporters to include in the footnotes of a resume? I see value there as well....
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Right war, wrong battle.
Yes, its connecting with fans, cause its providing them with something they want. No, its not connecting with you, cause its not providing what you want, but thats irrelevant. It is connecting with other people who don't have your moral dilemna.
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Read: Wikipedia: Moral Dilemna and be enlightened.
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I see the point is lost on you. Very well, I give up.
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If the CNN reader values recognition in a CNN story (I probably would, though not to a huge degree), then that feature of the app might be worth paying for. If the same fan understands the way they're submission might be used...well I guess I just don't see the problem, other than any hypocrisy that might exist depending on CNN's past stances on blog-journalism or new media (don't really know what they've said/done on those issues in the past).
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Forget it :)
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From an iPhone no less
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Am I the only one?
On start up I get told that Chevron is bringing this app to me. Really? I thought it was my $1.99 that got me the app. Then in stories & my favorite is the full screen roadblock ad I get while waiting for the video to load. A photo that looks like a news photo using a close-up of a young girl pensively looking into space for Lexus of course.
Aren't the ads supposed to be in a "free" version? Seems we've had us an unwritten app rule that free=ads and pay=contentonly, a nice rule that has set the new digital medium apart from it's newspaper & cable tv predecessors. However, maybe the new technology really can't escape the same old greed that's mucked up all the other stuff.
Seems to me, that above all else, if the CNN app is ultimately a success, it will show developers & advertisers alike that people really don't mind paying to see ads.
Great, so basically we've taken this new medium & as is human nature I guess, invested it with a bunch of crap. And if that's the case, then I for one would like to let us all know that we suck.
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When cable started, it was commercial free too. That didn't last long.
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Yes, because lobbyists and selfish people worked hard to figure out ways to optimally monetize anything that provides any utility to anyone. and I imagine you're working hard for the same cause, to monetize any utility that anyone gets from anything and to restrict competition so that people have no choice but to pay insanely high prices for anything that provides any utility.
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The problem, Americas are way too unwilling to stand up for what's right.
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and I bet you're glad that it didn't last long, at least you seem to be. Something that doesn't exploit the public for every penny they have? Heaven forbid.
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Thing is, we can all talk about lobbyists & coprporate $$$ ruinging our culture, and I totally agree on every front.
This one, though, I think is wayyyy more simple. No one gives back a revenue stream, not in 1880, not in 1950, not in 1990 and certainly not in 2009 - maybe once every million years it happens.
What we are is greedy and what we do is push things onto people, and when people don't make any noise, that's taken as acceptance & that's the end of the story.
I for one am going to try to make some noise because the web really needs to remain the bastion of free-ness that is has been, but as we all know the lobbyists & corporate $$ can buy noisemakers that turn my tirade into nothing more than a faint hum. So come one peeps, FIGHT THE POWER!
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Rights?
It strikes me that if we went back to requiring the registration of Copyright - we'd all be a little saner. I don't know what good it serves to force all works to be under Copyright when only a negligible fraction of works has any lasting economic value.
I mean other than these debates about what is fair or not. The natural state of expression is communal. Copyright is a priviledge extended to the holder. There is no reason to encumber this post or any other day to day expression we may see, hear, taste, touch, or feel with Copyright. Is there?
RANT OFF***
Getting back on topic - engaging your viewership like this can only help CNN. If for no other reason than CNN as a presence in the iPhone/iTouch space.
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I will kick you in the nuts. BEEFCAKE!!!!!!
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Like some really swell adverts! I wonder if they'll come out with a premium version with even more adverts. Wow, I'd pay extra for that!
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i was excited...till i saw the price
I don't know why I would pay for a CNN app. Like you said I have a web browser so I don't see why I'd pay for it.
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More to it than iReport
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Onion
I would submit some stories LoL
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cnn's new app
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Almost seems like they're following the techdirt play book though
2. Trying to engage users in conversation, rather than unidirectional poon feeding news - check
3. Charge for value add - check
Having not bought or seen the app, I can say from 50,000 feet up, it seems fine to me.
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I would buy an iphone just to buy that app.
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I would buy an iphone just to buy that app."
I keep trying to picture what an app "poon feeding" news would look like, but every time I do I picture a vagina gobbling up Ted Koppel head first and start snickering....
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This is not a new concept
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i don't have an iphone, and i wouldn't pay for this app even if i did, but i can see why some people would.
i wonder how long it will be until they start mentioning that some stories were "sent to us via our iphone app, available now!!!" and maybe the person's name...
that will only get more people more involved.
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