More Musicians Realizing File Sharing Isn't Evil; Shakira, Norah Jones, Nelly Furtado Say It's Ok
from the figuring-it-out dept
A few different people have sent in the news that some more well known singers are saying that the industry is overreacting to the issue of file sharing. Sky News talked to three top female singers, Shakira, Norah Jones and Nelly Furtado, and found they all recognized that it was pretty much the natural state of the market, and it helped gain more exposure:"I like what's going on because I feel closer to the fans and the people who appreciate the music. It's the democratisation of music in a way, and music is a gift. That's what it should be, a gift." -- ShakiraLooks like more and more musicians are realizing that fighting file sharing doesn't make sense, but learning to embrace it has tremendous benefits. Maybe, one of these days, the record labels will figure this out as well.
"If people hear it I'm happy. I'm not going to say go and steal my album, but you know I think its great that young people who don't have a lot of money can listen to music and be exposed to new things." -- Norah Jones
"If you love music you're going to make it anyway. You'll find an audience, and you may not make like millions of dollars but you'll make enough to have a house and a family and a car." -- Nelly Furtado
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That's pretty easy to say when you're an artist who is doing a little bit better than "a house and a family and a car" due to your high powered record company, complete with legal representation that makes sure you get paid when radio stations, tv ads, etc... play your song. If I were in that position, I too would be able to shrug off a "few kids file sharing my songs." For working artists, a few cds sold (as opposed to downloaded for for free) can make a big difference in the checkbook at the end of the month!
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Ha ha! ahahahahahahahahAHAHAHAHAHHAHA! AHHH, AHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Mike, you're so funny.
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Norah Jones
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God, you people will latch onto any old singer's point of view to support your unjustified stealing. "More and more musicians are coming out of the filesharing closet." Big deal.
Why do you hate how we did things ten years ago so much? You make me sick.
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Why do you expect people to know what you are talking about when you post anonymously? Does the 'we' denote royalty?
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get out of the past decade and wake up to the present
people fileshare, people will continue to fileshare and no-one can stop it!
either the industry catches up or they lose out.
tough sh*t
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Lilly Allen realized what a twat she is and throw herself out of a window, the she also remembered she was fat and thus couldnt fit through said window.. to add insult to injury it finally dawned on her how fat and stupid she is when her people got her out of that room and... she was on the ground floor.
I know you read articles here Lilly, since you also "steal" from here... and you know I wrote the truth above. Dont worry, you can change your nick, then come back and flame away. Nobody will know. Honest.
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Record Labels
The record labels have figured it out, it's the end for them, and they are fighting it like a cornered animal.
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Wait, what?
Having a label to distribute your music would be pointless when it's already legal to share music over the internet. So how does a label benefit from this when they're no longer relevant?
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Again, internet/radio/word of mouth/advertising companies take care of that. Actual record labels would be unnecessary.
It's why they attack file sharing with such vitriol.
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At this point, they are in a persistent vegitative state, hanging on by a thread...
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As I said I don't really listen to much music but I assume that big music fans would continue to search out hard copies of their favorite musicians in the same way I search out anime hard copies. Labels are still relevant, they are just not the be all end all of music.
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That's the beautiful thing about a free market: if someone doesn't want to adapt, someone else will.
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Sandwiches can be a gift too but I normally expect the girl in the shop to ask me for money in return.
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Each of the artists has said a different thing. Shakira has basically said "I have enough money, I don't care", Norah Jones hopes kids get exposed to more music, and Nelly Furtado isn't concerned about the economic implications, she is just happy to have a car.
If you took away the money each of them made selling records, and took away all the exposure that each of them has gotten as a result of having a record deal, distribution, artist reps, ad money, tour support, and all those other things, I suspect their answers might be just a little different.
Money changes everything.
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But wait, I thought artists could make MORE money by NOT selling copies? Why is this musician implying the opposite?
Yup, I loved that quote. So much of the debate over file sharing is based on this weird assumption that a handful of popular musicians deserve to be exceedingly rich.
A handful of popular musicians, actors, writers, directors etc SHOULD be exceedingly rich.
The Beatles SHOULD be exceedingly rich. Stephen Spielberg SHOULD be exceedingly rich. John Grisham SHOULD be exceedingly rich. They provide value to many, many MILLIONS OF PEOPLE all across the planet. It's called "scale". This is what copyright helps to enable and what freemunists seek to destroy.
Providing great value to millions of people around the planet SHOULD yield great rewards.
Unless you are a socialist, or have taken a vow of poverty, I am aware of no legitimate counter-argument to this.
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ultimately, NO-ONE should be exceedingly rich... there's your counter argument... moron
at the end of the day, none of the people you have named, none of the people who complain about file sharing and not a single one of the MPs/gov't officials/lobbyists opposed to filesharing NEED the money they claim they are losing!
to live comfortably you do not NEED to earn hundreds of thousands yet alone millions. its massively selfish to make out that a few thousand lost is a big deal when there are literally millions of people struggling to make ends meet when they work full-time to keep their countries economies afloat. This is not even counting the further millions of your fellow humans who live in poverty!
Im f*cking sick of people like you posting dumbass comments without considering the rest of the world.
Selfish, stuck-up and above all else GREEDY!
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Let's not make any one musician rich, rather, let's have hundreds of thousands of musicians who work for minimum wage. That would be great, after all, production of music would be higher than ever.
Yes, again, Masnick has pointed to socialism as an answer!
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That sounds more like a symptom of a competitive market than socialism.
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But wait, I thought artists could make MORE money by NOT selling copies? Why is this musician implying the opposite?
Reading isn't your strong point, is it? If you take some time and really sound out the words, you'll understand that "could" doesn't mean "absolutely, 100% will". I know, I know, you think the masses should just hand over money for any old crap that's tossed at them, but that's not how the real world, or the free market, works.
Furthermore, I *do* think that if file-sharing were accepted, there would be less Mega-super-ultra stars, but also way less still-needs-to-work-two-jobs musicians. More on that after I quote your next retarded comment.
This is what copyright helps to enable and what freemunists seek to destroy.
Strict Copyright doesn't help an artist-- *any* artist-- gain millions of fans. Talent does that. So why do we have Brittany Spears? Because the Labels have set up such an environment where you *needed* a label to reach that number of people. In fact, they used this environment to strong-arm artists into blatantly unfair contracts to rob them of their rights to *their own work*. THAT sounds like piracy to me. Back on topic, because of this environment, you were only exposed to the artists that the label wanted you exposed to-- the ones that were lowest risk, that sounded much like everyone else. In essence, a cookie-cutter cutout of the artists before. That is not art.
Now that there is an easy, cheap, and quick way to spread your music/book/movie to literally the entire planet at once, these bloated incumbent middlemen are no longer required, so they villanize the method to make them obsolete, using the money from the unfair contracts they've forced artists into for decades. Now we can be exposed to a nearly unlimited number of new artists and judge for ourselves if they deserve to be compensated for their art, or if they are just a screaming monkey with a microphone playing power chords mindlessly.
It doesn't matter if an artists has already made it big, or is just starting out-- the only people who are afraid of file-sharing are those without talent.
Finally, a teacher does not reap any rewards if one of his students goes on to invent something innovative. A doctor does not reap rewards from everything accomplished by someone whose life she saves. A police officer that foils a burglary does not get a cut if the homeowner uses that not-stolen money in the stock market to make millions of dollars. Why, then, does a director deserve to keep getting paid for every viewing of his movie? Why does a pop singer deserve to get paid every time someone stumbles upon their music on Pandora? Why does an author keep getting paid every time Amazon Ctrl-V's an ebook and sends it to someone? IP Maximalists are not living in the real world if they honestly believe they are entitled to more money for doing absolutely, 100% no extra work. They had a good run, but it's a new age.
Technology giveth and Technology taketh away.
Do you copy?
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One would pity them if not for their complete disregard for the future of culture.
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'talent' should be rich?
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Value Before Reward
You might call it natural selection. I call it decentralization - the independence of art is returning to the creative hands of the artist. Some are excellent at it, others not so. But would you fight change just for the sake of keeping status quo?
The tendency shows what Shakira calls music democracy. My crap is not your crap. If I listen to your music via file sharing and think it's crap then no value to me. If I think it's good then value to both of us.
We just need to learn to trust each other a little better.
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So, socialism. That's fine if it's your view, but I already had it covered.
Ah ha! So you've taken a vow of poverty then? I only ask because if you haven't than you have no business telling ANYONE that they're greedy. If you aren't spending every extraneous cent you have on trying to help the MILLIONS of people who will starve to death this year...than YOU are greedy and the only difference between you and the millionaires is you don't have as much extraneous income. The gist, however, remains the same, you prefer to spend your extraneous income on your own selfish entertainment rather than donate it to people who actually NEED it. You are, at best, the lesser of two evils.
Pot meet kettle, hypocrite.
I was being sarcastic and happen to agree with you. Unfortunately Masnick doesn't so you'll have to take that point up with him. He has said MANY times, that there is ALWAYS a way for ANY artist to make MORE money by NOT selling copies and instead use the theoretically wider fan base to buy other tangible items or services. Unless "services" includes prostitution I don't believe this to always be the case.
Again, from my understanding, Masnick seems to disagree with you.
It's funny you never actually do get back to this. Nor have you, in fact, provided a counter argument to my "great value should yield great rewards" stance. But you do manage to call me a "retard" like some fifteen year old basement dweller so there's that...
I disagree. I think even the most talented artists should be very afraid.
As for your condemnation of royalties, they are an industry agreement in lieu of less front end money. They are a performance-based payment like bonuses in any other industry. It is akin to taking a bet on your own success. I think such a system is more ethical than what your average office worker receives, getting paid even if the project/company/quota completely shits the bed. An artist doesn't get royalties if no one buys his art. And just as an aside, your analogies were terrible.
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Your teacher/doctor/policeman analogy is an interesting one. You describe the director, the pop singer and the author getting paid in return for a product they've worked on, investing their own time and money. The teacher, the doctor, and the police officer you describe would be making money from someone else's work/investment.
If I found you a job as a software engineer would I be entitled to half your salary? Would you be entitled to nothing because you produce something that's digital and so can easily be copied? Or would you be entitled to all of your salary as you put in the work?
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"Interesting" is a polite way to put it...
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And we have to fight it!
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