The Pirate Bay Goes More Distributed, Shuts Down Tracker
from the legal-issues? dept
So this is interesting. The folks at The Pirate Bay have shut down its tracker for good, and switched entirely to a distributed, decentralized system, called DHT. As others are noting, this is quite a milestone, but I actually wonder if it will also have legal implications. Basically, using such a distributed system takes The Pirate Bay even further out of the equation in terms of its role in the sharing of content, and in theory could impact the ruling against The Pirate Bay. Of course, the entertainment industry will say it doesn't matter, and the courts (who don't seem to understand these things very well) might not realize the difference, but it is meaningful in terms of how involved The Pirate Bay actually is in the activity that's happening.But, of course, even if this makes no difference in how the courts view The Pirate Bay (as expected), it does show the inevitable trend of these things: making them ever more and more decentralized and harder to shut down. When the RIAA shut down Napster, what came out of it was even more decentralized and harder to stop. Now the same thing is happening with the attempted shut down of The Pirate Bay. Even if you don't like what sites like The Pirate Bay do, at some point you have to wonder what good it does to keep shutting down these offerings when all it does is drive people to the "next" offering that's even more difficult to stop? At some point, someone is going to get the message that you can't stop this stuff. So why not figure out a way to use it to your advantage?
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And the hippies must never win. Which is why medical marijuana is still classified as Schedule 1 meaning it has no medicinal value.
So, the pirates must never win. "Stronger copyright laws are needed!" It won't help, at all. "We have to incarcerate non-violent drug offenders!" Not helping, at all.
Maximalists don't care if the laws don't quite work out in their favour. They just want to punish the hippies. Punish the pirates. They must win and everybody else?
Bunch of losers who deserve to lose.
I still love the anecdote of an recording industry flak back in the 1990s when they were shown an .mp3 file for the first time. Some nerds were putting together a website/service idea and the flak just politely chuckled.
"People aren't going to listen to music on their computer?!? Computers are for work! In the future music will be broadcast via a set-top box attached to their televisions. Silly nerds."
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The copyright war? Sorry, it's the war on terror. Terrorists use counterfeit goods to bankroll their actions. "What does that have to do with copyright infringement?"
I have no idea. Just industry propaganda.
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No, they're not. First of all, he wasn't really talking about drug trafficking, he was talking about drug _use_. HUGE difference.
Secondly, it doesn't really matter. You know, before passing the first ever anti-drug law (the Harrison Anti-drug Act) in 1914, 1.3% of our population was addicted to drugs. 56 years later in 1970, before starting the 'War on Drugs', 1.3% of our population was addicted to drugs. And guess what? Today - 1.3% of our population is addicted to drugs. Incarceration DOESN'T WORK. We're spending BILLIONS of dollars every year to arrest people, a huge percent of which are STUDENTS who are doing nothing more than hanging out and having a smoke! It's cheaper to send them to rehab. It's more effective to send them to rehab. It makes them less afraid to call 911 in an overdose situation if we send them to rehab. Yet instead, for some crazy reason we keep putting students in prison. You know why we have so many managers and so few scientists in America? All the bright young future scientists got curious (as scientists generally do), tried some drugs once, and are now _living off minimum wage_ because they can't go to school anymore because they were convicted of a drug offense. Smartest kid I ever knew, frickin' GENIUS, who in 11th grade was _teaching AP physics_ to half our friggin highschool while taking college courses, got arrested for marijuana. Spent a year in prison, some time in various mental facilities, and is now working at _McDonald's_ trying to save up enough money to go back to school. But hey, he's lucky. At least he didn't get _SHOT_ for it like U Michigan student Derek Copp.
Why is it that you can own an automatic rifle, capable of killing hundreds of people, yet you can't legally own a little bit of weed, which would require _violating the freakin' laws of physics_ to die from? Seriously, you can walk down to any grocery store and buy hundreds of drugs that are more dangerous than weed. And hell, some of them will get you a better high too - I know, I tried quite a bit of them in highschool.
Oh, not to mention the fact that Marijuana's classification as a Schedule I drug, under the Controlled Substances Act, is currently in violation of _the Controlled Substances Act_. Yes, that's right, the very act that bans it says it cannot be banned. It can only be filed under schedule I if there are no recognized medicinal uses in the US. Well, CA, AK, CO, HI, MA, MI, MO, NE, NM, OR, RI, VT, and WA are all in the US, are they not?
Ok, I'm done now. Sorry for ranting, but US drug policy is one of the most ridiculous sets of laws I have ever seen.
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I'm not against gun rights. In fact, I think we have too many restrictions on them already. That's exactly my point - if guns are perfectly fine, why aren't drugs? Drugs are a hell of a lot safer.
Besides, you know what they say about guns - "guns don't kill people, people kill people"? Well guess what? Drugs don't kill people either. Their own stupidity does. And the majority of that is because we refuse to educate people about it. We have this 'abstinence only' policy when it comes to drugs. It's ridiculous. You know, cigarettes are one of the most addictive drugs we know. Yet the number of smokers has dropped dramatically over the past decade or two. Why? Not because we made it illegal, not because we pretended it wasn't there, but because we _educated_ people about the dangers.
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If drugs are so safe, then would you drive while stoned? Or how about LSD? What's your take on hallucinogens?
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And both of those are (in some form) legal.
If drugs are so safe, then would you drive while stoned? Or how about LSD? What's your take on hallucinogens?
No. I also wouldn't drive under the influence of Ambien, or while drunk, or after spending an hour smoking hookah, or after taking cold medicine. But all of those are legal. All (or at least most) will likely get you arrested if you try driving after using them. But you won't get arrested for taking cough syrup or for taking your legally prescribed Ambien - you'll get arrested for reckless endangerment or other similar laws, depending on what exactly you did. So why should Marijuana or LSD be any different? Especially marijuana - as I already said, it's physically impossible to die from smoking weed, and it's quite unlikely to make a person violent at all. LSD, sure it's dangerous, but so are a lot of other legal drugs. There are plenty of perfectly legal hallucinogens, what makes LSD so special? And not all of the legal hallucinogens have medical uses, though some do...and LSD has potential medical uses as well. In fact, the FDA recently approved a study on medical LSD, which I believe was in Sweden, though I'm not entirely sure.
Maybe there shouldn't be any legal drugs - but my point is basically that many of our illegal drugs are far less dangerous than the legal ones. I don't see any way you can make a logical argument stating that alcohol should be legal but marijuana shouldn't. Hell, there's even some research to suggest that marijuana may be less harmful (and it certainly has more medicinal uses) than tobacco.
Yes, people make stupid decisions. Arrest them for those decisions. There's absolutely no reason to arrest thousands of people just because they're doing something that might cause 1% of them to harm someone - because that means 99% of them are innocent. If we stopped spending such an enormous amount of time and money hunting down non-violent drug offenders, we would actually have the money and manpower to do something about those people who actually are causing harm.
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Umm, you do realize that those aren't "illegal drugs", don't you?
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Actually that changed recently. AMA made that ruling earlier last week, just an FYI
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Actually that changed recently. AMA made that ruling earlier last week, just an FYI
The AMA may have changed their mind but the DEA? No way.
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It's against the rules. Even if it's the truth. One more time:
It's against the law for the head of the DEA to tell the truth.
That's so corrupt. Can't let those hippies win. Nope. Better to lie than to face reality. Yep.
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Pretend like I wrote something related to the article...
Who is the "Alex" you're referring to in your comment on this previous post?
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20091114/1835036932.shtml#comments
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I dunno. Show up at the MPAA with a decent proposal about how they can get money from people who want a DVD but are unwilling to pay for a DVD. You've got it all worked out already, right?
Should be a big success!
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Put a bunch of extra material on it! Yeah, and you could call it a bonus, or extras!
I mean, they just saw the movie in the theatre experience and if they liked it chances are they would purchase the movie on DVD if that DVD had something more than what they just watched.
Just throwing that out there.
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Finance movies with massive amounts of product placement? A comedy, perhaps? Just forget about shiny plastic discs as undesirable by the buying public?
Focus on the theatre experience? Make it more appealing for consumers?
Run the movie, as it's released in theatres, into people's homes? I'm sure plenty of consumers would rent a new release on the day of release instead of going to the theatre. Rent it to them for cheap and advertise the digital copy, DRM-free for a dollar above the rental price?
Stuff it full of extras and bonuses?
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That's how it actually works today. Most of the investment money needed for making a movie today comes from product placement. Basically the movie is already profitable as soon as its released.
And from the perspective of the buyers of product placements the larger audience the better, so its more value for money if a larger audience watch the movie because of filesharing.
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And as the general public lack of access to 3D televisions, perhaps selling movies on shiny plastic discs won't exactly be viable. In the future. Just throwing that out there.
Perhaps value could be found elsewhere? Not on shiny plastic discs? Where have I heard of all of this before?
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They could go on tour! Yeah! Who wouldn't want to see a stageplay of Wolverine with Hugh Jackman?
In a heartbeat.
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Watch a bunch of ads, then the movie then a bunch of ads then some more movies.
It's proving to be quite popular.
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The absolute destruction of Hollywood. If you put that on a DVD I would buy it.
Ha! Who am I kidding? I would pirate it.
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The movie industry is a paragon of virtue.
They are virgins of innocence. Yes they are.
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Still mis-stating the issue. It's not that they're unwilling; it's that they don't have to if they don't want to, and they end up with the same thing either way. So just change it around so they don't end up with the same thing--but make sure that it's physically impossible for just anyone to reproduce and redistribute the new thing. People who have way smaller salaries are already figuring it out. Hire them. Save money.
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Trying to sell those little plastic disks is a bad business model. Sorry, but you can't fix stupid.
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They could also stop trying to take away all of MY RIGHTS as a consumer, like the ability to make a BACKUP since the crappy platic disks scratch and become unusable, it would be nice to make a copy to use and it and if it breaks, oh well, just make a new one.
There you go, pure gold.
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Is it because you're a paid shill who isn't looking to work together to enact change? Just here to disturb some shit.
Good luck in the future.
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Pirate Bay
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Which is why ACTA is so important to pass on a global scale. Sorry, pass? Like the public will get to vote on a secret treaty. Sorry, it's not a treaty, I keep forgetting.
It's an Executive Decision. The United States Congress doesn't even have to look at it for the changes to become the law of the land.
The internet treats copyright enforcement like damage and routes around it. Hopefully, ACTA can change all that.
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Couple Ideas
1) Give recorded music and motion pictures away as a method of promoting performances. This works more for musicians but also for movies. Experiencing live music is something that is very hard to reproduce, likewise, theaters offer far better sound and picture then your typical living room - or even home theater. Musicians have already done this to some extent via the radio for a long time.
2) Movies and Music as a service. If you can pay a nominal amount per month and listen to / watch anything you want, you have a lot less reason to pirate anything - why go through the hassle. My time is worth something to me anyway.
Maybe artists will have to make less money and that probably means that all of the "industry" players that feed off of the current ridiculous amounts that some of these folks make will get squeezed out to some extent. But other than themselves, who is really concerned that a some managers and agents etc will have to find other work?
Maybe a larger number of lower paid artists would be a good thing. Does anyone really deserve 20million dollars for a single movie? I for one have seen and heard a LOT of great actors, writers, directors and musicians of all sorts that can't make a living on it - perhaps a shift away from the giant plastic disk manufacturing model would allow more of them to be seen and heard?
Don't expect those that live off of the current model to stop fighting anytime soon though...
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Piracy is a Hydra
How long will it take until piracy & P2P are seen as the blessing they are? How much wasted time, energy and money will be thrown at this unsolvable problem?
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The Damage is done. Now Just get over it.
The whole database can be replicated and can be moved. So tomorrow some other pirate bay will emerge.
The only solution is to find out the alternative ways to make the whole process simplified and transparent. Find out in what way piracy can be stopped.
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The Pirate Bay tracker were not working since early August. The announcement has far more reaching effect than the act itself is astonishing. tracker.openbittorrent.org which had the same IP as TPB tracker while tpb tracker was online, same domain registrant information, and other identifying information you can dig from other ends of network, is still alive. Almost all tpb torrents have openbittorrent in their tracker list.
So for what even it's worth, other than there verbal announcement nothing has changed in last many months.
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Maybe Personal Publicity can help
(1)RIAA punished 3000 pirates
(2)MPAA sued "The Pirate Bay" for piracy and failed again.
What is good with statement?:
(3)LANVA sued 106 Pirates for downloading Windows7.
While statement are about RIAA, MPAA - it is about nobody - no names, no brands. It is not about somebody who made bad decision, or some company(brand name) which was initiator.
So company behind can avoid bad publicity, by using "shield" RIAA or MPAA.
With LANVA case ( Lithuanian anti pirate company ). It was a bit different.
Whey metioned product which was pirated. This way it was not a bad publicity for LANVA only but for Microsoft and Windows7 also.
In that case Microsoft was't happy to be in punisher role, even made public statements like "we was't asking for that, it was not our initiative, it is not clear if it is piracy at all...".
I think that while public opinion moving towards "nopocyright"
it coud be good publicity for "brands" faiting against e.g. "single mothers" to be in a list with amount of money somebody sued. ...or how they
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DHT
It's interesting that TBP has thrown their weight behind the DHT and PEX implementations. The DHTs defined by bittorrent.org in BEP 5 are fairly insecure. TBP's tracker acted as a trusted source to introduce peers to each other, making the critical first link between peers. If the user base were to rely primarily on the DHT for initial peer introduction, it would change the value proposition for an adversary to attach the DHT and insert themselves as the authoritative node for any content they wanted to protect. They could then either provide lists of bogus peers, tainted peers that produce bogus data, or honeypot peers from their favorite law firm.
Of course, the cat and mouse goes on. Bram Cohen is very good at understanding the game theory and attack profiles of the P2P world; that's why bittorrent is the dominant protocol. If attackers start corrupting the DHT, there's a lively corpus of research in preventing Byzantine attacks on DHTs. They're not fun to implement, but I think there's a rich enough set of client implementations to make it happen.
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A Repost from Digg.com
***** THE MPAA & RIAA:
Public Sites:
Rank # Torrent Site Alexa Rank (Dec 07) Alexa Rank (Mar 08) Change (%)
1. mininova.org 63 53 + 19 %
2. ThePirateBay.org 182 130 + 40 %
3. isohunt.com 170 147 + 16 %
4. Torrentz.com 231 192 + 20 %
5. BtJunkie.org 689 469 + 47 %
6. torrentspy.com 376 585 - 36 %
7. TorrentReactor.net 909 616 + 48 %
8. GamesTorrents.com 942 641 + 47 %
9. TorrentPortal.com 699 697 no change
10. btmon.com 924 743 + 24 %
11. sumotorrent.com 1,894 1,101 + 72 %
12. myBittorrent.com 1,861 1,454 + 28 %
13. animesuki.com 1,738 1,473 + 18 %
14. Fulldls.com 1,448 1,646 - 12 %
15. bitdig.com 5,805 1,945 + 300 %
16. torrentz.ws 7,990 1,991 + 400 %
17. newtorrents.info 3,348 2,272 + 47 %
18. Torrent-Finder.com 3,404 2,635 + 29 %
19. TorrentBox.com 2,812 2,686 + 5 %
20. Fenopy.com 3,102 2,901 + 7 %
21. torrentvalley.com 5,276 3,014 + 75 %
22. youtorrent.com … 3,107 New!
23. TorrentReactor.to 3,016 3,313 - 9 %
24. www.zoozle.org 4,669 3,369 + 39 %
25. www.seedpeer.com 3,992 3,449 + 16 %
Private Sites
Music
http://www.waffles.fm
http://www.what.cd
http://www.filemp3.org
http://stmu sic.org
http://mixfiend.com
(Mixtapes)
http://www.indietorrents.com/
http://www.funkytorrent s.com
http://softmp3.org
http://www.themusik.org
http://kraytracker.com
(metal)
http://me talbits.org
(metal)
http://www.trancetraffic.com/
http://libble.com/
http://btmusic.eu
ht tp://private.pyrotorrents.org
http://tracker.jpopsuki.com
(j-music)
http://www.punkoiska.com/
(Punk, Oi!, Ska, Psychobilly, Rockabilly, etc.)
http://www.punktorrents.com
(Punk)
http://audionews.ru
(Music production)
http://blackflowermusic.com
http://btbeat.com
http://bt.etree.org
http://btmus ic.org
http://chronictracker.com
http://deepbassnine.com
http://dimeadozen.org
http://dj iq.org
http://kerrazy-torrents.net
http://metal-torrents.com
http://onemoresolo.net
http ://pj.sidewalkcrusaders.com
(Pearl Jam)
http://punkhc.dyndns.org
http://purelivegigs.com
http://smithstorrents.co.uk
(The Smiths/Morrissey)
http://thecellar.afraid.org
http://themixingbowl.org
http://thetradersden.o rg
http://torrentazos.com
http://tracker.twee.se
http://zombtracker.the-zomb.com
http:// vipmusic.org
http://modetrance.com
http://tranceroute.com
http://softmp3.org/
http://pun koiska.com
http://metalbits.org
http://tracker.gunsnroses.us
(Guns 'n' Roses)
http://mullemeck.serveftp.org/jps_beta/
(Japanese/Asian)
http://nipponsei.minglong.org
(A nime OSTs)
http://tracker.shoegaze.lt/
(Shoegaze, Dreampop)
http://puretrance.org
(Trance)
http://tracker.jpopsuki.com
(J-pop)
http://zonebits.ne t
(Primarily Danish music)
http://komodoisland.net/
http://tracker.shoegaze.lt
(Shoegaze, indie, post-rock)
http://proaudiotorrents.org
(pretty self-explanatory)
http://u2torrents.com
(U2)
e**** (can't mention the url)
Games
http://www.blackcats-games.net/
http://www.bitgamer.com
http://www.undergroun d-gamer.com
(pre 2000 games)
http://www.ntorrents.net
(wii/gamecube)
http://bt.xbox-sky.com
http://gctracker.mine.nu :800
http://my-gamebox.com
http://pleasuredome.org.uk
http://xbox.udp.at
http://bemaniis o.ws
Mac Software
http://beta.macnbits.com
BS (link removed on request)
High Def
http://www.hdbits.org
http://bit-hdtv.com/
http://hdsource.biz
http://x264.eu
http: //scenehd.org
DVDs
http://thedvdclub.org/
http://pisexy.org/
http://cinematik.net
htt p://asiandvdclub.org
https://www.swedvdr.org/
(only swesub dvds, but good stuff)
http://dvdseed.org
Movies
http://goem.org
http://cinemageddon.org
(cult/b-movies)
http://arabfilms.org
(Arabic)
http://childbytes.net
(Disney/Kids)
http://cinematik.net
http: //dididave.com
http://karagarga.net
http://cinema-obscura.com
http://moviex.info/
TV
http://www.bitmetv.org/
http://bit-hdtv.com
http://tvtorrents.com/
http://www.tvjunkies.org /
http://www.eztv.it
http://cfhtracker.info/
(Call For Help)
http://diwana.org
(Australia & NZ)
http://d-addicts.com
(Drama)
http://mrtwig.net
(South Park)
http://mvgroup.org
http://myspleen.net
http://uknova.com
http://xtvi.com
http://t hesprawl.se
AKA
http://eztvefnet.org
http://sharetv.org
http://tvfreaks.to
http://torrent -vision.org
http://tvrss.net/
http://thebox.bz
http://bitt.tv
http://torrent-vision.org/
Scene
http://www.scenetorrents.org/
http://www.filelist.org
http://www.revolutiontt.net /
http://www.tti.nu
http://www.runningthescence.com/
http://www.torrentleech.org/
http:/ /torrentbytes.net/
http://piratebits.org/
(Swedish but good 4 XBox and PC Games)
http://www.moviex.info/
http://torrent-damage.net/
http://www.swebits.org/
http://s upertorrents.org/
http://torrents.czone.ro
http://www.midnight-torrents.com
http://pirateto rrents.org/
http://www.powerbits.org/
http://finbytes.org/
http://www.devilwolfs.com/
(Sce ne)
http://www.digitalhive.org/
(Scene)
http://rushbits.org
http://sharetorrents.pl
(Polish)
http://merc-tech.org
http://acetorrents.net
http://scenenetwork.org
S** removed on request
Ftn (link removed)
Wheelmods link removed
Porn
http://www.cheggit.net
http://www.empornium.us
http://www.puretna.com
http ://www.fileporn.org
http://www.pornbits.net/
http://www.sexotorrent.com/
http://www.pussyto rrents.org/
http://bmtorrents.net
http://pornation.org
http://gaytorrentnews.org
(Gay)
ht tp://gay-torrents.net
(Gay)
http://bitlove.hu
(Magyar / Hungarian)
http://italiansexy.net
(Italian)
http://candy.bitbull.to/
(smaller German site)
http://bootytorrents.com/
http://adultsins.net/
http://deviloid.net
Ebooks/Learnin g
http://textbooktorrents.com/
http://bitme.org
http://learnbits.org
http://bitspyder.net
http://elbitz.org
Sports
http://basket-torrent.webpark.pl
http://bt.davka.info
(Basketb all)
http://fbtz.com/forum/
(Football/Soccer)
http://motorsport-torrents.info
http://racing-un derground.com
http://special.pwtorrents.net
(Wrestling)
http://sport-scene.net
http://tenyar dtorrents.com
(NFL, NCAA, CFL)
http://tracker.fullcontactzone.com
(MMA)
http://worldboxingvideoarchive.com
http://extrem ebits.org
(extreme sports)
http://xtremewrestlingtorrents.net
(Wrestling)
http://dontchill.net
http://mma-tracker .org
MMA
http://www.extremebits.org/
(extreme sports movies)
http://www.titaniumtorrents.net
MMA/TV mostly
Other
http://audionews.ru
(audio applications)
http://proaudiotorrents.org
(audio applications)
http://gfxnews.ru
(2d/3d graphics software)
http://proeditor.51.net
(graphics/design)
http://docs.torrents.ro
(graphics/design)
h ttp://conspiracycentral.net
http://christiantorrents.com
http://chomskytorrents.org
(Document aries)
http://inkrecharge.com
(Radio?)
http://ipodnova.tv
(iPod Video)
http://linuxtracker.org
http://pianosheets.org
http://www.podtropolis.com
(iPod Video)
http://pokerbits.org
http://thepokerbay.org
http://zcultfm.com
(No tracker anymore?)
http://kinozal.ws
(Russian)
http://thevault.bz
(business, finance, marketing, advertising)
http://theplace.bz
(seduction, psychology, self-help etc)
http://music-vid.com
(music videos)
Anime
http://anime-kraze.org
http://animelab.com
http://anime-legion.net
http:/ /animesuki.com
http://a.scarywater.net
http://baka-updates.com
http://bithq.org
http://b ittorrent.frozen-layer.net
http://boxtorrents.com
http://thehawks.org
http://bt.zhentarim.n et
http://datorrents.com
http://deadfrog.us
http://downloadanime.org
http://gotwoot.net
http://h33t.com
http://shinsen-subs.org
http://spisoft.net
http://majin2007.com
http: //prutser.com
http://tokyotosho.com
http://torrent.thegreatbeyond.net
http://tracker.shocke rz.net
http://share.dmhy.net
(Japanese)
http://eclipse.no-sekai.de
http://the-triad.org
General/Unsorted
http://araditracker.com
http://biotorrents.org
http://bitnation.com
http ://bitsoup.org
http://blue-whitegt.com
(Greek)
http://btcyberstorm.com
http://bwtorrents.com (Indian)
http://bytenova.org
http://cinema-obscura.com
http://dctorrent.com
(Indian)
http ://desitorrents.com
(Indian)
http://devilsfire.com
http://fonoon.org
(Arabic)
http://ilovetor rents.com
http://int-torrent.com
http://kludd.com
http://leecherslair.com
http://legenda ry-torrents.net
http://megatorrents.org
http://midnight-torrents.com
http://monova.org
h ttp://nordicbits.org
http://phoenix-pt.org
http://potuk.com
http://sladinki007.net
http: //spirit-tracker.org
http://t4a.org
http://th3-studio.net
http://torrent-damage.net
http ://torrent-hackers.co.uk
http://tracker2.dyn.pl
(German)
http://tri-tavern.com
http://torren tpipeline.org
http://greek-tracker.com
(Greek)
http://smartorrent.com
(French)
http://smoking intherain.us
http://quorks.com
(German)
http://delight4u.org
(Dutch)
http://torrents.ru
(Rus sian)
http://arenabg.com
(Bulgarian)
http://swefiles.org
(Swedish)
http://esooti.com
(Hebrew)
http://legaltorrents.com
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