Should There Be Punishment For Bogus 'Pre-Settlement' Letters?
from the one-would-hope dept
We've recently seen efforts to ramp up the system of "pre-settlement" letters as a way to "profit" off of file sharing. The scheme works by having a company that either holds the copyrights to certain works or has merely licensed them for this purpose put those files online and then see who is downloading them. That's the simplest version (though, of questionable legality since if the copyright holder itself is putting the content online, you can raise questions about whether or not the sharing is really unauthorized). Some others in the space don't actually put their content online themselves, but try to find IP addresses of those who are sharing the content, and then sending those users "pre-settlement" letters, in the hopes that many people just pay up, rather than fighting the letters (or, more likely, ignoring them).Of course, one of the big problems with such a system is that those sending such letters have very little incentive (if any) to actually verify that unauthorized file sharing has happened. They want to cast as wide a net as possible and send out as many letters as possible to as many people as possible. It's a pure numbers game. And, for that reason, plenty of false positives are identified. Now, plenty of people reasonably point out that IP addresses are not indicative of individuals, and there are problems with relying solely on IP addresses -- but those problems become even bigger when you're dealing with folks who don't understand how BitTorrent actually works. That activity leads to claims of copyright infringement by networked laser printers.
Over at Freedom to Tinker, computer science professor Mike Freedman discusses how the popular CoralCDN has been getting hundreds of pre-settlement letters because one of these companies doesn't seem to do even the slightest verification of whether or not an IP address is actually involved in sharing content, and misinterprets the data it has received (despite the self-supported claim that "The information in this notification is accurate"). Of course, since the "punishment" for such things is slight to non-existent, the company in question (in this case, "Video Protection Alliance") has no incentive to improve its process. But it presents a real cost to Freedman, who helps run CoralCDN:
Our personal experience with DMCA takedown notices is that network operators are suitably afraid of litigation. Many will pull network access from machines as soon as a complaint is received, without any further verification or demonstrative network logs. In fact, many operators also sought "proof" that we weren't running BitTorrent or engaging in file sharing before they were willing to restore access. We'll leave the discussion about how we might prove such a negative to another day, but one can point to the chilling effect that such notices have had, when users are immediately considered guilty and must prove their innocence.At some point, shouldn't we start to consider serious sanctions against those issuing not just bogus DMCA takedown notices, but then also using such notices to demand "pre-settlement" payments from individuals who may not realize their legal rights and may just pay up?
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They can send the letters back and jump up and down screaming "230! 230!" but that would just give the legal people a whole bunch more fun stuff to work from. If you have enough notices to the same place, it would be pretty easy to show in court that you might need to get user information to get to the bottom of the situation.
The letter people are unlikely to go to that level, but certainly you do have to admit that they are sending letters to the right place for the moment. They could always pass CoralCDN's replies off to a more in depth team who might want to work it down to individual users.
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Re: shill
if you had rtfa, you know that that statement is clearly and simply a lie:
"...For whatever reason, some publisher started including a Coralized URL for the tracker's location,..."
i do have to admit though to admiring the gall of some people and their delight in out-n-out lying. you may continue.....
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I would suggest reading the article. That's simply not true.
They are the "end of the line" as far as IP tracing would go, leaving them on the hook.
Again, reading the article would go a long way towards actually knowing what you are talking about.
They can send the letters back and jump up and down screaming "230! 230!" but that would just give the legal people a whole bunch more fun stuff to work from.
I mentioned this to you last week, so I'm not sure why you keep confusing it, but Section 230 has nothing to do with copyright.
Even so, this is not an issue of safe harbors or the DMCA. Again, reading the article might help. This is a case of simply not understanding the technology.
If you have enough notices to the same place, it would be pretty easy to show in court that you might need to get user information to get to the bottom of the situation.
Yes, but if all those notices are misdirected because someone doesn't understand the basic technology, then it's not just useless, but it's outright fraud.
Once again, it might help if you read the underlying article to understand the technological issues.
The letter people are unlikely to go to that level, but certainly you do have to admit that they are sending letters to the right place for the moment.
Other than the fact that you are 100% wrong.
They could always pass CoralCDN's replies off to a more in depth team who might want to work it down to individual users.
Again, reading the article is a good place to start. I recognize that you get a certain level of glee in trying to rebut every post, but when your responses display this level of ignorance, you are making a fool of yourself.
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Scotland
I guess a Scottish judge would probably take the same attitude to this scam (and it IS nothing but a scam).
There are penalties for extortion.
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Penalty
If you send out a fraudlent letter, that does not have legitimate inforation that can be verified, the person who received the letter can:
1) Turn a copy over to the local authorities to prosecute as fraud, exhortion, racketeering and postal fraud (assuming it was sent thru the mail)
2) Sue civially for defamation of character and libel
3) If proved incorrect, they must publish public apologies in all major newspapers in their area and in the area where the victim lives
4) And... they lose a finger.
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Re: Penalty
5) The attorny of record for the notice is disbarred.
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Unrelated:
Related:
Wouldn't the present set of 'Fraud' laws cover it?
You know, attempting to defraud monetary (blah blah etc)...?
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Death
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Fishing expeditions should not be tolerated.
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YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Should address the bigger problem
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Re: Should address the bigger problem
They're already doing that.
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From a book...
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And who is going to impose these sanctions? To have any power, they'd have to be part of the law, but the only copyright related laws that get passed are the ones the content industry pays for. Why would they want a law that could be used against them?
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Consumer Fraud??
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Why stop there? Why not create a series of web pages that contain specific keywords for a number of major software products along with keywords like crack, serial, keygen, reg code, etc. If you do it right, and those pages eventually get established in the various search engine listings, you could then send threat letters demanding a quick settlement to the various IP addressees that hit those same pages when refereed from various search engines with searches such as "adobe photoshop keygen".
...Bonus points for threatening to sue on behalf of a "client" in Marshall Texas.
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DMCA
a. It may result in waiver via the first sale doctrine. It would be interesting for someone to trace the IP address for the uplink if possible (sorry I am obviously not BitT knowledgeable).
b. DMCA Section 1202(a) makes the following illegal:
"Sec. 1202. Integrity of copyright management information
`(a) FALSE COPYRIGHT MANAGEMENT INFORMATION- No person shall knowingly and with the intent to induce, enable, facilitate, or conceal infringement--
`(1) provide copyright management information that is false, or
`(2) distribute or import for distribution copyright management information that is false"
Also, by uploading the data in the first place they may be violating the DMCA themselves under the plane reading of 1201(a) and (b). If so, then they are subject to criminal sanction. THus, if you can catch the person uploading it, their only defense would be to say it was authorized which then would seem to make the first sale doctrine applicable. Either that or it was outright fraud.
DMCA Sec. 1204. Criminal offenses and penalties
`(a) IN GENERAL- Any person who violates section 1201 or 1202 willfully and for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain--
`(1) shall be fined not more than $500,000 or imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or both, for the first offense; and
`(2) shall be fined not more than $1,000,000 or imprisoned for not more than 10 years, or both, for any subsequent offense
About False DMCA letters:
17 USC Sec. 512
(f) MISREPRESENTATIONS- Any person who knowingly materially misrepresents under this section--
`(1) that material or activity is infringing, or
`(2) that material or activity was removed or disabled by mistake or misidentification,
shall be liable for any damages, including costs and attorneys' fees, incurred by the alleged infringer, by any copyright owner or copyright owner's authorized licensee, or by a service provider, who is injured by such misrepresentation, as the result of the service provider relying upon such misrepresentation in removing or disabling access to the material or activity claimed to be infringing, or in replacing the removed material or ceasing to disable access to it.
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Nexicon....the Video Protection Alliance data provider
- http://torrentfreak.com/automated-legal-threats-turn-piracy-into-profit-090628/
- http://torrentfreak.com/tag/video-protection-alliance/
Looks like the founder/cto is this Tommy Stiansen guy:
- http://ww.nexiconinc.com/corpblog
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