Recording Industry May Go After OiNK Admin Again
from the not-getting-the-message dept
We were as surprised as anyone that a UK court correctly realized that OiNK itself didn't violate copyright law, and thus admin Alan Ellis hadn't done anything illegal. But rather than understand the difference between infringing copyrights and hosting a tracker, the recording industry is now flipping out and insisting that Ellis must be punished somehow, and it may file a civil suit against him because apparently punishing people is more important than actually coming up with business models that work.Thank you for reading this Techdirt post. With so many things competing for everyone’s attention these days, we really appreciate you giving us your time. We work hard every day to put quality content out there for our community.
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Can I sue the IFPI for the time I just wasted laughing and laughing and laughing and laughing?
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:)
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And .... if the IFPI have provided said entertainment,
well you could be charged for it!
Well, fairs fair, even those circus clowns should get paid.
Right?
Here have a banana then, careful not to slip on the proceeds.
All this legal monkey business is a bunch of shite me thinks. Since when is being vindictive deemed justice?
Oink Oink! Indeed.
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Could be interesting to see them try...
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Market Efficiencies ...
mar·ket - A public gathering held for buying and selling merchandise.
ef·fi·cien·cy - The ratio of the effective or useful output to the total input in any system.
What we are seeing here is the corporations attempting to prevent Market Efficiencies. Read the definitions. Markets sell merchandise, information is not merchandise. Being Efficient requires increasing your output while decreasing your costs.
The internet does a wonderful thing with information. It reduces the cost to almost nothing. IFPI, RIAA, MPAA, etc are all inefficiencies and road blocks in the system. They represent other inefficienct groups but do not produce anything. In the end they will go away as new systems come into existance that replace them making the system more efficient.
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no surprise
they think that all P2P is illegal. Until they discover one that pays them. Like Mike said in a radio interveiw I had with him they are after their own bottom line.
that is all cant sell enough dispite single tracks in the UK sold more than EVER BEFORE last year through legal downloads (Itunes Amazon) more to sell to get in the chart. etc etc.
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True, but...
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Re: True, but...
We do have perjury laws in the UK - just ask Jeffrey Archer
Presumably though he could stay silent in a subsequent trial on whether he infringed copyright and require the prosecution to prove that he did. I know that confessions aren't definitive, although I admin they're not normally made under oath ... IANAL
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Double Jeopardy
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Ergo, "beyond a reasonable doubt" vs preponderance isn't an issue - what he did was deemed LEGAL. you would need it overturned on an appeal.
Since it's legal, it isn't infringement, and you wouldn't be able to get him whether civil or criminal.
They would have to attack him for a different charge entirely in order to mount a successful offensive, and I don't quite see how they could do that in such a way as to take down the site itself.
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@Joe
maybe i occasionaly grab a song too but that the total was two songs
YUP hard to say what you owe and ya know at least had balls to say it
and i think we need to start killing the courts with this and NOT PAY
thats right fucktard judges we aint paying
go ahead wreck everyone's lives and one day when we get called terrorists cause we start killing off the fucking lawyers and judges you will know why.
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That's because they have no intention of coming up with a new business model. Funny thing is they actually believe that they can win a war of attrition with the internet and end up getting their own way. Unfortunately for them, I don't think that they can hold out forever sooooooo.....
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Re: Market Efficiencies ...
The internet only reduces the costs because it fails to pay for the source materials. The market efficiency you point to is artificial. It isn't any different from the street hawkers here in Thailand selling photoshop for a few dollars. The cheap price is artificial, not at all considering anything other than the marginal costs to slap the material onto a CD. That isn't efficiency, that is fallacy.
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