Obama Quietly Issues Ruling Saying It's Legal For The FBI To Break The Law On Accessing Phone Records
from the and-it-gets-worse dept
Following the report earlier this week that the FBI regularly broke the ECPA law, in obtaining information from telcos without going through the proper process (and, in some cases using just a post it note!), some interesting details from the full report have come to light. The two key ones? First, "the Obama administration issued a secret rule almost two weeks ago saying it was legal for the FBI to have skirted federal privacy protections." And, second, the original idea to use these bogus "exigent letters" didn't come from the FBI, but from an AT&T employee. We noted in the original report that no one seemed to be placing any blame on the telcos for allowing this, and why they're clearly abusing the law, in giving out such info without the proper rules being followed, seems like a big question:The telecom employees were supposed to be responding to National Security Letters, which are essentially FBI-issued subpoenas. But those Patriot Act powers say the target must be part of an open investigation and that a supervisor has to approve it. While they require some paperwork, FBI agents have been issuing about 40,000 such NSLs a year.No wonder the telcos were so adamant about getting immunity on the warrantless wiretapping. It appears that the issue of telcos ignoring the rules when it came to your privacy goes pretty deep.
But an AT&T employee provided the unit with a way around some of those requirements. The employee introduced them to so-called 'exigent letters.' Those letters, first used immediately following 9/11, asked for information by saying that the request was an emergency and that prosecutors were preparing a grand jury subpoena. The letter falsely promised that the subpoena, which gives the telecoms legal immunity, would be delivered later, the report said.
What's more, the report noted that the cozy relationship between the bureau and the telecoms made it hard to differentiate between the FBI and the nation's phone companies.
"The FBI's use of exigent letters became so casual, routine and unsupervised that employees of all three communication service providers told us that they -- the company employees-- sometimes generated the exigent letters for CAU personnel to sign and return," the inspector general reported.
In fact, one AT&T employee even created a short cut on his desktop to a form letter that he could print out for a requesting FBI agent to sign.
Even that became too much. Agents would request "sneak peeks," where they'd ask if it was worth their time to file a request on a given phone number, the inspector general noted. The telecom agents complied. Soon it graduated to numbers on Post-it notes, in e-mails or just oral requests.
As for Obama issuing a rule saying that breaking the law is legal... how does that work? The president doesn't get to just declare something legal, especially when it clearly violates both the letter and intent of the law.
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I think the unintended consequence of a guy like Obama getting elected with so much interested popular support is that people are finally beginning to realize that the Presidency isn't a person, it's an office. And while the person sitting in that office might change every so often, the office does not.
Controlling elections isn't about controlling the outcomes of voting, it's about making sure that no matter who votes for whom, the guy that wins is under your control. Given how little hope and change has brought us either, can we finally begin examining who is actually pulling the strings?
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Very well stated!
And may I add that when the 'wizard(s) behind the curtain' are viewed in the open. The motives behind unending wars, financial bubbles, elimination of personal freedoms, and other unexplained phenomena of our time will be clear as day.
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The old Illuminati is the new Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, and Bilderburgers....
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Why are you bringing up McCain, he has nothing to do with this. If McCain had won we would be talking about the stupid nasty illegal things he was doing. But he didn't, so we're talking about the ones Obama is doing.
Don't be so naive, remember, you only hear about the bad things happening and never the good reasons behind the decisions being made.
Who's being naive? You'd rather just assume the President has a perfectly good reason for secretly breaking the law?
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reminds me of Eisode 1
"I will make it legal"
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Constitution
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What is this "Constitution" of which you speak? I don't believe I'm familiar with the term.
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I believe it's a value term used in role playing games to describe how effectively one can stave off attacks to one's person.
Thus, most American's have no constitution, and don't even understand what it is....
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That and a few hundred million backbones would be great...
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Oh, it goes back much further than that... Remember FDR's threat to pack the Supreme Court?
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I'm not sure what reality you guys live in, but in my reality, which is populated by "humans" who are all subject to the same human failings.
Large organizations, whether they be cities, states, villages, countries, etc. will be influenced by money, power, and things not related to the interests of the people. So disband the US and some other power will move to fill its place--you'll be complaining just as hard about the state governments. Or perhaps you'd like to move abroad to one of the many nirvanas that exist there? The US is of course the only one affected by corruption and power. Good luck with your plan, though.
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No Suprise
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Actually, I'm not American. Words cannot express how truly grateful I am for that. And it's not because of your long string of horrible presidents. It's because of the voters. Your presidents reflect your citizens and it's an ugly picture.
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I think its' a combination of dumbed-down, apathetic and/or ignorant voters combined with the fact that the candidates we are allowed to vote for are all vetted by the plutocracy. As a result, nothing of any real national significance ever changes. Like The Who said in "Won't Get Fooled Again": meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Every two years voters are enticed off of their sofas by a few hot-button social issues of little real national importance. Thus, power simply bounces back and forth between two equally corrupt, bought and paid for parties. And since those in power have found that they don't have legal problems violating the Constitution because their literally treasonous acts are never seriously challenged, they continue to violate "the law" whenever it's convenient. Laws, you see, are only for us peons, not the ruling class.
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Abolishing government is easier to write than it is to execute.
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The libs finally see the light
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Its all
The time to revolt is now!!
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Just because someone else is pulling the strings, doesn't mean he can't be impeached for it. One can sit in the hall of shame for eternity.
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President slowly becoming king
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I think Americans forget that the President is not all powerful though, which is why they're blamed for everything.
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With respect to healthcare legislation/reform being passed (or rather not passed) is certainly an example where the the two legislative houses are exercising their power and the President only has political power (and is seems little of it) in that process.
However, these signing memos (in which the President signs a law but attaches some sort of note or letter saying that he and the executive are going to ignore parts of the legislation) and other actions, such as warrantless wiretapping (without the special court's overview) and declarations by their lawyers that, say, certain things that the general public would call torture are not to be considered torture, are all ways in which the Office's power are increasing.
And speaking of the torture memos, these were documents by lawyers representing the upper executive in their official capacity, saying that they thought X was legal. And now everyone takes that as a fait accomplis that it is legal. WTF? That's like a person hiring a lawyer, the one specifically that gives the indication that they are willing to write a justification that, say, murdering someone who is harrassing you is legal, and then saying "well, that's it, their lawyer told them it was legal so it must be".
What happened to the courts trying people, such as senior executive? I understand that the equivalent for the President (Bush) and Cheney (VP) would be impeachments which is largely a quasi-judicial political process, but what about people who "just went along"?
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Does Anything He Does...
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Change?????
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How it works
He views Himself as an Emperor Messiah, a philosopher king, who has deigned to descend from Heaven to remake the United States into a more perfect (Soviet) Union as a favor to us puny humans. If you're unhappy about anything He does, it's because you're RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACIST!!!
I saw a poll today that 77% of American investors view Dear Leader as being "anti-business." I wonder how many of those chumps voted for him ignorant of the fact that he was a Marxist and that all of his anti-freedom moves were easily foretold, though unreported by his sycophantic media lapdogs?
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Obama has already made his feelings clear on this issue with a very public flip-flop on telco immunity. He is just another politician, and like all politicians, his first priority is his own ass.
My take on the matter is someone came to Obama and pointed out that it is a bad policy decision to go after the people who enabled Bush to disregard the law. If Obama made a serious attempt to prosecute anyone for this fiasco, what do you think would happen to him and his supporters the moment he was no longer in power?
That issue aside, ask Nixon what happens when the president pisses off the FBI.
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didn't make it legal
You can read the full report at ( http://www.justice.gov/oig/special/s1001r.pdf ). It's over 300 pages, so I starting from the conclusions in the back. I've only scratched the surface and it's pretty ugly - it describes:
* inaccuracies told to the FISA court (inaccuracies seems a very gentle word to describe perjury)
* Phone records of reporters obtained to investigate leaks.
* Obtaining and uploading into [redacted] database thousands of phone records without first knowing if they were relevant to any terrorist investigation. Today, they still can't tell which of these numbers are relevant.
Fun times we live in.
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Sure. Right.
What a joke. Can you say Patriot act?
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ITS RETURN TO NIXON TIME
oh somehting you do is illegal , JUST CHANGE THE LAW
who cares aobut what it does and the abuses it carries YOUR THE BOSS
haha
obama hussein NIXON
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Just a quick note...
-Leftover Crack from the song "Soon We'll Be Dead"
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sheeshs
I hope they realize how significant and overstepping such a concept is.
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So Obama made a rule?
Where are the real Americans anyway?
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"At least I'm f*cking trying!" -Minor Threat
That is exactly why the two party system is corrupt beyond repair. The man I voted for (Ralph Nader) would NEVER EVER do anything even remotely like this.
But you'll scoff again and again at every third-party candidate.
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FBI WATCH
forums.signonsandiego. com/showthread.php?t=59139
to view a partial list of FBI agents arrested for pedophilia see
dallasnews. com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3574
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