Obama: We Must Move Forward On ACTA
from the missing-the-point dept
With the EU Parliament soundly voting against ACTA secrecy and current proposals, lots of folks have been wondering how the US was going to respond. So far, it's not looking good. The USTR gave a giant no comment, and President Obama (who had been pretty quiet on ACTA himself) addressed ACTA in a speech, where he expressed strong support for continuing to move forward with ACTA.What was telling, however, was how he described ACTA -- which is that he used the bogus arguments for what people think ACTA is about, rather than what's actually in the agreement. It's a political trick:
"There's nothing wrong with other people using our technologies, we welcome it -- we just want to make sure that it's licensed, and that American businesses are getting paid appropriately," Obama said. "That's why [the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative] is using the full arsenal of tools available to crack down on practices that blatantly harm our businesses, and that includes negotiating proper protections and enforcing our existing agreements, and moving forward on new agreements, including the proposed Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement."Except, of course, ACTA goes way, way, way beyond that. It's disappointing that Obama, who keeps insisting he's in favor of greater transparency in government seems to be ignoring the fact that the USTR has been anything but transparent on ACTA, and that the whole effort has really been a blatant push by the entertainment industry and pharma to engage in legislative laundering to push through all sorts of restrictive rules that have nothing, whatsoever, to do with protecting against counterfeiting.
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Obama is a bust
Everyone is all hypnotized by the "campaign" and the dream that he built with his "promises". Time to wake up to the morning call.
He promised the world, but in the end, he's just another typical, regular, run-of-the-mill, regular Joe, powerless president entangled in the quagmire of politics, power, greed, money, and big corps that is also known as the Capital Hill.
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*waits by the mailbox for the inevitable C&D letter*
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Re: Change
Maybe now the latest voting generations will understand why we went about thirty years without electing a radical leftist and we won't have to do it again for another thirty years or so.
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I think thats a blatant acceleration of the same sleazy agenda that the last President accelerated from the sleazy agenda before him..
Partisan politics is a farce and if you think theres a difference, you probably think Raaslin is real.
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What does the public end up with? The worst of both worlds. It's all a scam, both parties know we're gonna end up with the worst of both worlds ahead of time and they intend it to be so.
See, a Republican gets elected and he pushes for bad policy when it comes to topic X. Bad policy gets instated. So the democrats promote good policy when it comes to topic X but bad policy when it comes to topic Y. So then, because the people hate the republicans position on topic X they vote for the democrats, who have the exact opposite position on this topic. But the democrats fail to correct topic X, they may even pretend to try but they'll have the other party stop it on purpose or they'll just put little effort in changing policy when it comes to topic X and the media will ignore it. Then the democrats push for bad policy on topic Y, they get it passed, the people get mad so they vote for the republicans who also fail to fix the problem and they then continue to push for worse policy on topic X. The cycle continues and the public just ends up with the worst of both worlds while the republicans and democrats keep pointing fingers at each other and fixing nothing.
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Or if the media doesn't ignore it, they merely promote the other party, who then gets elected, doesn't fix it, and makes something else worse.
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There are huge differences in partisan politics, just not in the politicians for the most part. I'm thinking you're just disgusted that Barak wasn't the second coming everyone hyped him up to be. He's more or less exactly what I hoped he would be.
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It puts the debate in the context of being "us versus them." I.e., us versus China, Europe, and everyone else who is "using our technologies" without paying.
That takes the focus off the fact that the "us versus them" fight is actually between the citizens of the world against the IP industry, including the music industry, the film industry, the broadcast industry, the pharma industry, etc.
From now on, every time some country stands up for our rights as citizens against the IP industry, Obama will just argue that the country is blocking his fight to protect our technologies from being stolen.
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when it becomes corporations versus the citizens, corporations will lose every time. meanwhile I can't believe corporations are stupid enough to still push for this.
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And you know what happens when knowledge is exported, right? Over time, you loose the ability to innovate within your own borders because all your inhouse knowledge is exported.
This is a very bad policy decision for the country. The most worrysome effects may not be apparent right now because everyone's looking to make it cheaper, but in 40 years, it's very, very possible that China and India will leapfrog the US on several fronts.
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And you know what happens when knowledge is exported, right? Over time, you loose the ability to innovate within your own borders because all your inhouse knowledge is exported.
This is a very bad policy decision for the country. The most worrysome effects may not be apparent right now because everyone's looking to make it cheaper, but in 40 years, it's very, very possible that China and India will leapfrog the US on several fronts.
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I wish I could say I was surprised
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He's worse because he's doing all these with a straight face while telling you "this change is for the better."
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However, he is a corporatist jsut like all the others. He may be a better poo pile, but he's still a poo pile.
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Don't kid yourself. Bush was not an idiot, and Obama is anything but naive.
These people are smart, VERY smart. They know exactly what they are doing to this country and this world. They are outright socialist hellbent on controlling every aspect of your life. Idiots and naive men do not become president. Idiocy and naivety are traits of those who call people like Bush and Obama idots and naive.
A majority of Americans voted for Obama who played them all like instruments. He is a liar, a marxist and might I add not even a natural born citizen. He is a usurper who has woven himself into the most powerful position in the world. I would not call that naive or idiotic. We got duped (actually you folks who voted for him got duped). I saw through him long ago, but then again - I am not naive nor an idiot.
And Bush - let's call him a less maniacal gentler form of Obama or Clinton. Under the fake guise of compassionate conservatism he committed this country to an unwinnable and so far unending war mired in the most ludicrous of rules of engagement where our men are forced to be little more than security guards for corporate friends of the government, rich and powerful and the Bush family who have been awarded billion dollar no-bid contracts in Iraq under the false pretense of another so-called War on ___________ (fill in the blank). Remember Bush I and the drug war, Bush II has the terror war and while the threat is real, like the current administration says, never waste a good crisis. I wouldn't call a man who is able to do this AND manage to rape the economic system of trillions on his way out of office an idiot.
No my good sir, the idiot is the American people who have allowed these fradulent, marxist bastards to turn our beloved nation into a cesspool of corruption.
God Bless the idiots... I hope we wise up soon. Obama is the worst of them yet... He may be the last american president. When he's done, we may be a history book lesson.
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Sorry, you lost me at 'Bush was not an idiot'.
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No, I'm British. Are you suggesting that there was a positive strategy to George W. Bush consistently showing himself to be awfully dumb? Perhaps you believe that all the gaffs Sarah Palin made were on purpose too?
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So it is official, Obama is a corporate puppet
We are sending Chinese and Indian Engineers home; we don't want them in the U.S. By 2020, most IP will be developed OUTSIDE the U.S.
So who understands this? International Corporations. They don't care if their IP is developed in China, India, European, etc. They don't even care if the money flows away from the U.S. They only care that money flows into their bank accounts, in whatever country provides the best tax haven.
We are not trying to take advantage of the rest of the world with ACTA. We are giving everything away to corporate interests.
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If you ever wondered
This is nothing but a power grab to setup for ISPs to be the bad guy so the IP industries don't have to look so bad. The politicians enabling this sort of mentality are the same ones that are doing other things that in the long run do not help this country.
I've reached the point that I know it doesn't matter which party is in power. It merely brings a different flavor of the same BS into the forefront. Rarely is what is preached equal to what is planned. What is planned is always out of sight and ever is the devil in the details.
I myself am ready to see the majority of those sitting in power today throw out the window of the office they inhabit. The same with the two parties they represent.
I am also ready to see the voice of corporations thrown out too. Since SCOTUS has ruled that money from corporations is their free speech. Even more troubling on that is the fact that most of SCOTUS didn't get it when scolded at the State of the Union address over it.
This country doesn't much seem to resemble the country of my birth and beyond lip service sure doesn't walk the walk of it.
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I disagree about creation. Ford creates tons of IP, most of which is used on their cars. Toyota does. Kimberly-Clark does. Rubbermaid does (in fact, Rubbermaid is one of the most inventive companies in existence). GE does. Boeing does. How many do you want? Most manufacturing companies that have intellectual property created it.
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Just one word
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Not sure what to think of Obama at this point
...but then he pulls crap like this, or the wiretapping thing.
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and this is even WORSE. He goes out of his way to ensure that CITIZENS fund research with TAXDOLLARS and then to ensure that it all gets lock behind intellectual property walls from the very citizens that funded it.
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Full disclosure: I'm from Mass, and voted for Brown. WAKE UP DEMS! You're losing...fast.
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Find a candidate from Antarctica or something, I heard they're very honest and stuff.
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Don't vote Republican, either. In other words, don't vote Republicrat.
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What was the slogan again?
I guess we're Hoping they won't Change things further.
In a way, he's fulfilling his promise.
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ACTA: Anti-Consumer Trade Agreement
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NO , more no and how is a music tune technology
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OBAMA + BIDEN = FORBIDDEN
go leave NAFTA mister president
the amount a cash you want for IP we'll match and double that wiht higher oil, resources and products. OH wait you outsourced it all to china so whose goingto build anyhting
its all over in china now are Americans going to work at mexican rates NOPE...
so the whole country is going tits up and all this time you thought two trillion dollars would help you nope just him and his buds.
ACTA
Anything Cocksuckers Touch Agreement
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what are we gonna do tonight BRAIN
were going to IP all over the world
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Except this is a LIE, the U.S. doesn't innovate, it merely steals innovations from other countries and demands a monopoly on any innovation that any country comes up with without actually innovating itself.
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The one thing Obama has done right
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"I know this is the digital age and most people seem to think it's OK to download MP3s and movies from the Internet"
and who appointed you the ultimate authority over morality?
"but it's actually stealing"
and you're actually lying. and telling a lie is wrong. So why should I listen to a liar?
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And that, my friends, is a big lie.
THEFT IS THEFT.
Lying is lying.
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evil and twisted sort of way. Basically he's
saying, "Even if the world disagrees with
what we're trying to accomplish with the
ACTA, we have to keep trying."
Take a step back further. What it does is legitimize US export of knowledge by business. It allows US business the legal capability to exploit cheap overseas labor.
And you know what happens when knowledge is exported, right? Over time, you loose the ability to innovate within your own borders because all your inhouse knowledge is exported.
This is a very bad policy decision for the country. The most worrysome effects may not be apparent right now because everyone's looking to make it cheaper, but in 40 years, it's very, very possible that China and India will leapfrog the US on several fronts.
Also, consider that the recent change to campaign finance rules weren't a mistake either.
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LET the usa ENACT ACTA and the rest of us wont
you want acta YOU DO IT first were not as dumb and R.E.T.A.R.D.ed as you are. SO go ahead OBUMA go fer it.
in 5 years you can openly talk about how well it is.....when no one in the USA is using internet as they all got the boot.
AND hollywood still didn't make a sale.
all this causes is more unemployment of the isps more hastles in surveillance of people , and abuses galore
HEY i know why not just put a camera in everyone's homes OH WAIT the UK IS DOING THIS ALREADY
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evil and twisted sort of way. Basically he's
saying, "Even if the world disagrees with
what we're trying to accomplish with the
ACTA, we have to keep trying."
Take a step back further. What it does is legitimize US export of knowledge by business. It allows US business the legal capability to exploit cheap overseas labor.
And you know what happens when knowledge is exported, right? Over time, you loose the ability to innovate within your own borders because all your inhouse knowledge is exported.
This is a very bad policy decision for the country. The most worrysome effects may not be apparent right now because everyone's looking to make it cheaper, but in 40 years, it's very, very possible that China and India will leapfrog the US on several fronts.
Also, consider that the recent change to campaign finance rules weren't a mistake either.
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evil and twisted sort of way. Basically he's
saying, "Even if the world disagrees with
what we're trying to accomplish with the
ACTA, we have to keep trying."
Take a step back further. What it does is legitimize US export of knowledge by business. It allows US business the legal capability to exploit cheap overseas labor.
And you know what happens when knowledge is exported, right? Over time, you loose the ability to innovate within your own borders because all your inhouse knowledge is exported.
This is a very bad policy decision for the country. The most worrysome effects may not be apparent right now because everyone's looking to make it cheaper, but in 40 years, it's very, very possible that China and India will leapfrog the US on several fronts.
Also, consider that the recent change to campaign finance rules weren't a mistake either.
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The biggest gaping-hole like problem with this premise is that nobody knows what sort of stuff people are going to invent in the future, so it's impractical for almost any business to support the licensing of any potentially interoperable technology that somebody comes up with. In addition to the inevitable problems of vendor lock-in for the consumer, the longer-term result is that they end up restricting what sort of future technologies get invented.
Any act or amendment which prohibits a consumer from doing anything that they like for themselves with *ANY* material that they have legally acquired, or otherwise makes it impractical for a consumer to do so by outlawing the technologies that he or she might utilize to accomplish those ends, should be torn up, shredded, or burned. Which pretty much sums up how I feel about some of the proposals in ACTA.
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The biggest gaping-hole like problem with this premise is that nobody knows what sort of stuff people are going to invent in the future, so it's impractical for almost any business to support the licensing of any potentially interoperable technology that somebody comes up with. In addition to the inevitable problems of vendor lock-in for the consumer, the longer-term result is that they end up restricting what sort of future technologies get invented.
Any act or amendment which prohibits a consumer from doing anything that they like for themselves with *ANY* material that they have legally acquired, or otherwise makes it impractical for a consumer to do so by outlawing the technologies that he or she might utilize to accomplish those ends, should be torn up, shredded, or burned. Which pretty much sums up how I feel about some of the proposals in ACTA.
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"As a nation we respect IP, which is why we invented the computer chip,"
IP law had nothing to do with the creation of computer chip. People didnt think hey we have patent law lets invent the computer chip. The printing press was invented with out patents. The wheel was invented with out patents. The oil lamp was invented with out patents.
Patents have nothing to do with invention just protecting that invention for a limited time.
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America has some of the strongest patent laws in the world. As a nation we respect IP, which is why we invented the computer chip
Uh, nope. The computer chip was invented because there was a need for more advanced computing machines. Nothing to do with patents.
the Internet
Developed without patents.
the vaccine for Polio
Jonas Salk refused to patent, saying "There is no patent. Could you patent the sun?"
the telephone
While there were patents on the telephone, it is acknowledged that the patent actually went to the wrong person, and thus actually kept the real inventor out of the market.
nylon
Invented by a guy who was focused on pure scientific research, and was only patented later at the insistence of his employer...
the airplane
Whose patents had to basically be anulled by the gov't for blocking necessary competition during WWI.
Given that every example you gave disproves your point, I'm pretty sure your post is satire.
If a nation DOES NOT respect IP its corporations and citizens will have little reason to invent and they will be essentially sterile, which is exactly the problem China has today.
Ok. Confirmed. This is satire.
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In china they have secondary liability which is how they control the internet. The control they have is done by having the rules vague and making the ISPs guess at what should be restricted. This leads to many things of a controversial nature being removed out of fear. In South Korea they have implemented this also which has lead to a marked decrease in new services available on line, and the removal of old services out of fear of lawsuit.
The copyright clause of the constitution reads "To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries." This extension of Patent and copyright law doesnt accomplish this it does the opposite.
Is this where we want to go in this nation? Do we want people to be held reponsible for the actions of others? Do we want people to be guilty until proven innocent? Do we want people getting kicked off line based on accusations and not due process? Do we want ISPs to monitor our every move and action online with out a warrant, searching for infringing material on behalf of corporations?
This is ACTA. This is your future.
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Things that make you go hmmmm .....
I have a proposal for the ISP's when three strikes gets implemented in the united states. (sound of shoe dropping - stage left)
The pitch to the ISPs goes something like this ...
You are an ISP with 1 million customers, 50% plus infringe on copyright on a daily basis. 20% of them have at least one strike. Do you want to loose those customers? We would like to introduce you to the wonderful world of the creative commons. It wont cost you any money and will protect your customer base. It requires you to just add a few words to your warning letters.
"You are a valued customer and we would hate to loose you. There are other sorces for music and videos. We have put together a list of free alternatives. URL goes here"
Mentioning big name stars that are going the free route NIN, etc would be a big selling point.
(sound of shoe dropping - stage right)
This is an opportunity that can make alot of money for alot of people. Just not the labels, and movie-tv studios.
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He is a Natural Born Citizen due to his birth in Hawaii, which has been confirmed twice by the two top officials of the Department of Health of Hawaii, who are members of a Republican governor's administration.
His father's citizenship at the time of birth has no effect on Natural Born Status, which is defined as:
“Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition
Obama is a Natural Born Citizen because he was born under the jurisdiction of the United States of America, in the state of Hawaii.
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Just walk away.
Develop the habit of not wanting their products.
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What do you think that would achieve? They make up their statistics half the time anyway. They don't record most of what goes on with alternative media at all.
You're going to have to try a lot harder than that to get me to stop listening to Aretha Franklin; Miranda Sex Garden; Ida Maria; Eva Cassidy; K.D. Lang; X-Ray Spex; Tracy Chapman; Norah Jones; Siouxsie & the Banshees; Ida Maria; Vanessa Mae; and The Pretenders, to name a few.
The product isn't always the problem, if ever there were a use for the awful phrase: 'don't throw the baby out with the bathwater'.
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