'Ya Dun Goofed': Evidence That Censorship Is Both Needed And Not Needed
from the you-been-reported-to-the-cyberpolice dept
If you happen to keep up with the latest internet memes (you know who you are), you almost certainly have heard about the whole "ya dun goofed"/Jessi Slaughter saga. If you (lucky you) aren't aware of this, and wish to find out (and, I warn you, you may be better off not knowing about this), all the details are at that link. Frankly, after watching the key videos, embedded below, the whole thing really feels faked for the sake of attention. The whole thing is so over the top that it feels like a calculated attempt to get viral YouTube fame.As Kenyatta notes:
What's more interesting to me is the fact that just after her very public breakdown, she went back on Stickam a few hours later, completely unfazed by the insults being hurled at her.... The chat is filled with the kind of stuff that parents would call 'bullying,' however, she's totally ignoring it all. Clearly the internet has created a new kind of teenager, able to filter out the kind of noise that would "ruin" the life of folks like Star Wars Kid just years before.That seemed interesting to me, though, I'm not sure I buy that. First of all, it's a single anecdote involving a single person and (again), I'm still not convinced this is real.
After reading that interview earlier, I had considered doing a post about that claim of the "new kind of teenager," but figured that the "evidence" was so weak, it wasn't worth it. However, I was then amused to look at the submissions for Techdirt, and find a note from reader athe pointing to a professor in Australia who is using the saga as evidence of why the internet should be censored. In other words, he looks at the same videos and comes to the exact opposite conclusion as Kenyatta did.
Where Kenyatta sees a teenager who can filter out bullying and get on with her life, Professor Matt Warren, looks at it and sees a horrible, out of control internet that needs to be censored.
Professor Matt Warren, the head of Deakin University's School of Information Systems, said as long as parents who don't understand the internet kept giving their children access to it, there needed to be ways to control its use.Thankfully, people are taking professor Warren to task in the comments on that article, noting that censoring Jessi wouldn't have helped. The Australian internet filters certainly wouldn't have stopped the ability of a girl to go online and make some videos. The real issue (if this story is actually real -- but it would apply to others as well), is that this is yet another example of where better parenting, rather than Big Brother governing, would probably help out. And, no, that doesn't mean spying on everything a kid does, but getting parents to at least talk to their kids about what happens online, and what their kids are doing online, along with the risks associated with being online.
"You simply can't have free access to the internet," he said.
"It has to be controlled, censored and people have to be held accountable for their actions on it.
"We punish people who drink, we punish people who speed and we have to implement laws to that effect when it comes to the internet."
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Oh shit!
Seriously, I can't see this going anywhere commercially, and I've known douchebags like that, so I was thinking it was real.
Then they did the next one.
Now, either that's the next step on the incredibly fraked-up marketing campaign, OR the dude was jazzed that they got so many hits and wanted to do it again.
Either option sucks.
Sucks like a repressed teenager! Heyyyy-ohhhhh!
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Furthermore, an 11 year old child, heck, any child under the age of 18, should not have unfettered access to a computer with internet access and a webcam in their bedroom.
And even if you don't agree 100% with the above statement, can we all at least agree on the webcam part? WTF were this kid's parents thinking???
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There is nothing wrong with having the tools, wether it be a wecam, a mp3 player, or a rifle. The tool is blamless; its the person that uses it that you have to worry about. And here, the parenting is in question, not the tools.
If you do a good job parenting, and actually teach your kids right and wrong, then you wouldnt have to spy on them, or anything worse than talk to them about your concerns.
I talk to my kids, and express my concerns about things I think they should think about. Because, having been a teenager not all that long ago, I know the pains I took to hide my activities from my parents. I do NOT want that kind of thing between me and my children.
So my wife and I make sure to talk to them, not down to them, and we dont preach at them. I just express my concerns and answer thier questions honestly without heat or anger. Its the kind of relationship I wanted with my parents at that age, to feel comfortable in coming to them about tough situations.
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There is nothing wrong with having the tools, wether it be a wecam, a mp3 player, or a rifle. The tool is blamless; its the person that uses it that you have to worry about. And here, the parenting is in question, not the tools.
If you do a good job parenting, and actually teach your kids right and wrong, then you wouldnt have to spy on them, or anything worse than talk to them about your concerns.
I talk to my kids, and express my concerns about things I think they should think about. Because, having been a teenager not all that long ago, I know the pains I took to hide my activities from my parents. I do NOT want that kind of thing between me and my children.
So my wife and I make sure to talk to them, not down to them, and we dont preach at them. I just express my concerns and answer thier questions honestly without heat or anger. Its the kind of relationship I wanted with my parents at that age, to feel comfortable in coming to them about tough situations.
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Kids WILL do dumb things. That's part of being a kid. You think you know everything and really do not until you make some mistakes. Sometimes the mistakes are private and sometimes they are very public - this is nothing new.
Making the internet, or chat rooms, or webcams the target is just focusing on the new way kids can harm themselves. Some of us hung body parts out of car windows when we were kids. Blame the car? Making some mistakes is part of growing up.
I'll also add that this girl's father was in the background of a video being made of her having a breakdown? Perhaps he should follow the advice given on America's Funniest Home Videos all those years ago "if the baby is teetering on the edge of the wall, put the camera down and pick up the baby".
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And, 4chan is usually proud of the havoc they wreak - they won't claim it though, if it doesn't have them involved somehow.
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I believe the terms were "pop a glock" and "brain slushie," but yeah. Some of it just seems so over the top that it makes me wonder...
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And consequences will... never be... the same. Such is life.
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brainfuck
Thanks. Jackass.
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Can't say I didn't warn you. :)
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Lesson learned.
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I'm too scared for my sanity. But wow, the mouth on that one.
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Some of those pictures were sent to her school and the local police. It's lecture time from CPS on how to be a better parent. There's an interview with her mom where her mom says she doesn't look at the computer and how her daughter is totally innocent of all wrong doing. I don't know if CPS can change that attitude.
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i been watching this for the past 2 weeks all over /b/
where was her parents when she was posting videos
censorship in place of good parenting is fail
{not posting anon,this is not a raid, fuck rules 1&2}
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Their lingua franca is really crude, but they're the guys who came up with LOLcats, Rickrolls, Anonymous, etc.
I think of them as the primordial pool from which all internet life springs. You just don't want to swim in that pool...
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+1 interwebs to you, DH
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But like you, Legion, I'll give DH the lion's share of the credit for asking the question that led to the answer.
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OH COME ON!
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What did you say to me once? Oh yeah!
.....Suck it, Church....
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There have always been 2 kinds of people
The internet is just the latest medium, it could be the old fashioned message boards a school yard or neighborhood. Maybe we should just censor speech, because that is what we are really talking about hear. Oh wait, there is a pesky document that says we can't do that.
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DH- /b/ is a channel on 4chan for random. /p/ is papercraft/origami and each channel has a letter designation. People who post on the /b/ or random channel are known as btards. In other words, not everything or everyone on 4chan is crazy and there is actually a lot of really harsh social punishments for violating certain rules.
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As far as internet vigilantes go, I assume we could all do far worse....
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I saw a couple pictures on /b/ when it started and it looked real to me. That'll be something that will be figured out by the police.
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Punish Them All
And isn't that the whole purpose of life, after all? To punish as many people as possible?
/s
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THE ONLY WAY TO SOLVE THE WORLDS PROBLEMS IS
install gentoo
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(REMIX) Because I Back-Traced It! (You dun goofed up)
Seriously this one is my favorite. Gangsta remix complete with auto-tune. You owe it to yourself to watch it. Pure gold! End of conversation!
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We don't punish people who drink. We punish people who put others in danger with by drinking.
We don't punish people who speed. We punish people who put others in danger by speeding.
We shouldn't punish everyone who uses the Internet, simply because a few folks put others in danger with the Internet.
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Don't effe with a wall of people it doesn't end well at all.
This is when children realize that not even their parents can protect them against some things.
She was 11 and stupid, now she is 11 and less stupid.
Yes there are a-holes in the world. Surprise! and this is why you don't try to pick a fight with everyone, people keep saying it scars children, how else do they learn if they don't fall?
If she was a CEO what would people do?
The exact same thing, the difference here is that CEO's know better not to antagonise others, because they know the hits will come from everywhere, they learned that lesson somewhere didn't they?
It is sad, but it will happen over and over again and this is not a internet thing this is a human thing.
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Personally I think it went too far. The mainstream media is slowly but surely becoming aware of it around the world. Once masses of people suddenly flood to /b/ and discover what is posted there (everything from child pornography to beastiality and snuff), there WILL be an outcry. /b/ might have dug their own grave with this one. Somebody has described it as the asshole of the internet and that's exactly what it is.
Long and short though: this kid deserves better parents.
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I Remember
The best thing that you can do is find a way to monetize your stupidity. Might as well get paid for it.
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WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!
*ah-hem* Sorry.
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If this were a conversation and that guy yelled at me like that he'd be spending the rest of his night looking for his teeth. It's no wonder it went viral with all the wonderful quotes he gave the /b/tards to use as ammo. I knew this had "meme of the week" written all over it from the first time I saw him on youtube raging.
Kids don't belong on the internet. End of conversation. From internet's father!
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She Needs the LORD!!!
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This moron here...
If you look, she doesn't even shed a tear. Not one. Rediculous.
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Jessi Slaughter
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