Court Says It's Okay To Secretly Record Conversation If Done For Legitimate Reasons
from the i-may-or-may-not-be-recording-this dept
While there have been a lot of concerns lately about efforts to misuse "wiretapping" laws that forbid any recordings of people without their knowledge, it appears at least a few courts are recognizing how silly that is. Yet another court has now said that secretly recording a conversation -- in this case with an iPhone -- is okay, assuming there was no crime committed with the recording, and the recording was for a legitimate purpose. As the court noted:"The defendant must have the intent to use the illicit recording to commit a tort of crime beyond the act of recording itself."That makes sense. The act of recording alone, shouldn't be a criminal act, as it really depends on what is being done with the recording. And, in an age where not only is recording everything easier, but for some becoming standard, requiring permission to record all audio seems like an outdated concept.
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Dear seemingly reckless and diminutive Tom.
Are you an idiot? Unable to conceptualize the gravity of the situation or conversation? Do you really think ANYONE is interested in your skepticism and personal vendetta to create an argument, for arguements sake, when you make an uneducated and pointless comment like this. Especially when. Is has nothing to do with the conversation? I’ll bet you’re also one of these liberal and self-proclaimed progressives who believes everything they’re force fed by the agenda driven Main stream media outlets. Aka CNN, ABC, NBC, PBS(sadly). Ok... now I’m of subject! (I digress). Wake up! You’re not special, interesting, funny, amusing, or contributing (most importantly). You’re responding to a party of one sir. You! Enjoy!!! Nothing about this comment and your slanderous positioning to strike down another persons integrity is progressive! I’ll credit your thoughts and opinions once you’ve broken free of the intelectually inferior sheople, and can prove you are capable of some original and solution based thinking! So I encourage and even dare you to... Break away from that group of delusional band wagoneer’s of liberals, self righteous dems, and regressives. “The Sheople” we learned, accurately informed, And understanding folk like to call you. You’re making the national deconstruction, civil unrest, and social divide way to easy for all the new wave controlling fascists, and their divide and conquer master plan.
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Anyone, I mean any person on the Planet who needs to express their personal confidential credentials online to a public forum for unrelated reasoning shows a narcissistic behavior and, has deeply rooted self-loathing issues. Having this type of incessant desire in creating a mask that shows the world you are defined by something outside of yourself is self-sabotage. This is a safer place for her to exist in..I guess . .Her IQ which speaks volumes as to the need she has to quickly say I am special is just a way to disconnect from being uncomfortable when faced with intimacy or questions regarding herself... By wearing this mask, over time, cataloging the responses she receives gives her a stamp of approval from her alter ego. overtime, she becomes it, wears it,g. Fear of the unknown is real, produces great amounts of anxiety which in turn sabotages all efforts in remaining a fully functioning independent adult She cannot do this its to scary... so the other person or alter ego is created and through her life she has learned that this is a better place and safer for her. Honestly, most if not all healthy individuals would not engage in any sort of close interaction with someone who expressed this IQ special attention facade or showed remotely that she needed to use that to define who she was. I personally would be kind say nice meeting you and good luck but never would call or wish to see them again.
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We are all as special as every other person on this planet, I am far from fearful of the Unknown I have applied for employment and been for interviews which I do not have any experience in .
Discussing what others have done towards me forcing me on drugs which made me physically sick and still forcing me to do that IS SABOTAGE.
I therefore do not fear the unknown and am just as much a fully Indendant adult as u think you are.
I do not wear any mask no more than others in fact I do not try to sabatage people and their family's and then where a mask! Sounds like an ex relation of mine! And any discussions I have had have been in defending my case . I am definitely not as narcisstic as you and others are, especially some of the psychologists who get upset when I do use correct terminology because they do want to portray me as intelligent. (Get of your pedestal.)
I brought up 3 children who were all in higher classes when younger but have had to deal a lot with others shite and have had their lives sabotaged at times because of people like you . I have also passed bookkeeping and basic accountancy courses where I have got higher distinction and recently completed my first aid 96 percent. I may not have a degree or be super intelligent,I am at least not a arrogant sabotaging idiot like yourself, I like and love who I am, you will never make me feel inferior.
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That would be TOO easy, not TO easy. Just sayin'. Lol
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Bria...
You have an IQ of 167 and an MBA from Carnegie Mellon...And, you can't spell, construct a sentence or put an organized thought together?
OMG, I need a xanax after reading your post.
If this is what you claim Verizon "did" to you...and you claim to have an IQ of 167...I have to ask you...why did you let them?
Union Job or not, if you have an MBA from Carnegie Mellon, you can find a job that's not going to kill you (emphasis added).
In fact, with those credentials, you can pretty much pick-and-choose which stressless job you want to allow into your life.
Three (3) of my family members graduated from Carnegie Mellon and I was offered a full scholarship there after high-school but, choose another school instead..and all three (3) of my cousins are pretty much living happy stress-free lives, while bring home high six-figure incomes.
And, none of them are on xanax, either.
And...I would venture to guess (and would guarantee I would be right) that none of them would ever drop the "F" bomb in an online, "what-did-I-just-read", "shake-your-head" rant of a post like this one.
My advice, though I know you aren't seeking anyone's advice here, lay off the xannies, forget about Verizon and go make good use out of an education most people would give their right arm to have.
An MBA from Carnegie Mellon? Post your resume on Indeed and I think you'll soon be wondering why you ever worked for Verizon in the first place.
Good Luck to you, Happt Holidays!
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Hey, BRIA AMENN?
To the person, questioning your IQ? Screw that (most likely cheap OPP- ATTORNEY. I had to FIRE 3 of them, to settle AS A PRO SE LITIGANT / what all 3 Could not do, punctuated and all! Lol
The reason I chimed in, is It sounds just like so many ARROGENT attorneys on AVVO, that can’t even conceptionalize (sp) lol, a thing in reference to LAW. It only took me as a PRO-SE LITIGANT, 30 min to USING LAW CONCEPTS and all that applies, to have the 2 ins CO’s involved, BEGGING ME TO SIGN FULL POLICY LIMITS, ASAP. Then they said, and WE WILL DIRECTLY DEPOSIT “YOUR” money into your account. Yes, 30 min. Attorneys WASTED SO MUCH TIME BEING RAN IN CIRCLES by the crooked culture used in the ins CO’s. That had I not took over? Statues would ran out in 1 week. GET THIS, I told each and every attorney I TRIED, exactly how to do WHAT I DID, but their EGOS, could not ALLOW THEM TO SEE. My IQ? Yes, I’m told very superior to “average” but HELL, even a average IQ, person WOULD HAD KNOWN WHAT TO DO. Screw all ARROGENT attorneys that ARE EDUCATED WAY BEYOND THEIR ABLILY TO EVEN USE. Now I’m personally sueing bad faith on all ins co, and BOA. And winning.
Peace. And I could care less that my brain out-runs my care to WRITE PROPER SENTENCES/ to the point, only, they GOT IT.
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Can I do this under TEXAS law?? Or do I need to put up a sign/sticker stating that audio / video recording is protecting my home??? would this fit under the TX consent law? and be used against someone should they try to do harm on our property??
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You may wish to look into your local laws before doing anything. I'll give you a quick breakdown of how recording consent typically works in different places, though.
All party consent requires that everyone involved in an interaction be aware that recording is taking place. When you call a tech support line, for example, and they inform you that your call is being recorded, they're either operating out of an all party consent jurisdiction, or they're covering their asses just in case you're calling from one (even if you're not).
Single party consent requires that only one person or organization is aware that recording is taking place. This single party could be you, meaning so long as you are aware that an interaction is being recorded, that's good enough, you don't need to tell anybody else, including those who are being recorded. This is a pretty common default in a lot of places.
Zero party consent means that nobody who is being recorded needs to know that they are being recorded. This is usually not the legal default, because then any citizen could legally tap their neighbor's phones. Usually you find this as a legal exemption made for government agencies, either as a blanket allowance (NSA) or only with a warrant (local police).
So yeah, try and find out where Texas falls under. Also make sure that you don't have any municipal laws that supersede state law. You could find yourself in a situation where, say, Houston might have two-party consent while Texas might have one-party consent.
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24/7 on property". Then they are on NOTICE and warned.
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Why? I'm not the government. I'm just some guy you were talking to who happened to like to record his conversations just for the helluvit. :)
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Granted, corrupt cops are more often dealt with through public scrutiny than the legal system.
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That just shows how broken our legal system is, but I think that's what you were implying.
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The requirement to inform suspects of their rights is from a Supreme Court decision, which the President cannot overturn or countermand.
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Supreme Court trumps the President....BRAVO!
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Miranda rights are ONLY with respect to a formal interrogation. If you volunteer anything freely, they can use it. What you see on cop shows when they cuff you is just for dramatic effect and not required at all.
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This case also brings to mind the school admins that taped via lost laptops. Is that now legal?
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What does this do to three strikes?
What does this do to or for warrentless wiretaps?
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What if it's a patient talking to a doctor about personal patient - doctor issues, especially a psychologist (and the patient doesn't want the conversation to be recorded). Sure the doctor may record the conversation and not intend to spread it on the Internet or give it to anyone or use it for nefarious or malicious purposes, but what if those recordings accidentally got into the wrong hands. Or what if someone was telling someone else something personal, like social security number or CC number or whatever, for a business transaction with a corporation, and the corporation recording the information keeps it in a database. Now what if some nefarious or malicious employee got a hold of that info.
There is always the possibility of recording something personal (though not illegal) and having that information accidentally get into the wrong hands. Not that I disagree with MM, but I think these are some things to think about.
Now, granted, if I'm calling a corporation and they're explaining a contract or agreement to me or something of that nature, I should be able to record them and present it to a judge later on and it should be counted as evidence. Things that are business related generally should be recordable, but there can be a blurry line between business and personal info (ie: SS number, CC numbers, etc... are personal yet can be involved in business transactions. Psychologists and doctors are professionals yet they deal with personal issues). To what extent does a business have a duty to protect personal info if they record it? Can they be trusted to properly protect it? Should they be liable if it leaks on the net or gets misused by some disgruntled employee for nefarious purposes?
See, if I'm talking to a corporation I'm most likely the one giving away personal information, not the corporation or the corporate representative. So if I record the conversation it is my duty to protect my own private information if it gets on the recording and I have an interest in protecting it. But what about the corporation? Can I trust them to protect my information as much as I can trust myself?
Then again, these days, many corporate employees have access to all sorts of private customer information (ie: CC and SS numbers). It's something we practically take for granted.
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Then I wouldn't tell my shrink any more about my kinky sexual fantasies about a teddy bear, dawn detergent and....
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ALL DOCTORS, HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS (SPECIALISTS, SURGEONS, NURSES, LPN'S, AIDES, PHYSICAL THERAPISTS, MASSAGE THERAPISTS, ETC...) ALL HOSPITALS, ALL HEALTH CARE FACILITIES (PHYSICAL THERAPY, ETC...), ANY FACILITY IN CHARGE OF / STORE YOUR MEDICAL RECORDS OR ANY PERSON AND/OR MEDICAL OR NON-MEDICAL FACILITY WHO HAS ACCESS TO YOUR MEDICAL RECORDS (INSURANCE COMPANIES, BILLING DEPT. OF DOCTORS, HOSPITALS, ETC..) ARE BOUND BY HIPAA.
THEY CAN NOT OPT OUT OF IT.
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What services those corporations do for the people?
Can people create a corporation(LLC) and do transactions through those entities?
ps: LLC's exist for exactly this purpose to serve as a proxy, to and individual it may be expensive but to a neighborhood that cost falls dramatically.
In case of health care people could finance their own hospitals that would answer directly to the community and have strong incentives to not compromise the information of their patients.
in the case of schools people could just stop sending their children to that school and either home school them or finance a new one where they can have more control over what is done in the school or another solution.
People can do better, I think people forgot what they can do and need to be reminded that they can affect change if they do wish to do so, they are just not trying hard enough to find solutions. The government is getting bigger and it seems incapable of dealing with the needs of the people, they should not be involved in little things but on some key parts like guaranteeing physical security and a judicial system that is the last resort for problem solving.
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Yes, I've been through it before. Sux.
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That goes to "usage". Making the recording is legal. Using if for an illegal purpose (blackmail, violation of privacy laws, etc.), is still illegal.
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In the us, it depends upon which state you call from.
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No, it depends on which state the recording is done in.
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Consider this; You wake up one morning to find that someone has slashed your tires and basically trashed your car. You know exactly who it was because you've been having problems with them for some time. However there is no proof they did it, and their buddies (who were probably in on it) give them an alibi. The police tell you that there's nothing they can do without some kind of evidence.
You confront the guy alone and he admits doing it right to your face, telling you that he's going to keep on tormenting you and there's not a thing you can do about it because you have no proof and his buddies will always lie for him.
How exactly would you convince him to allow you to record his confession?
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Because you may be the victim of a neighborhood bully, I'm supposed to entirely give up my privacy?
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That's not going to help you much with a hidden recorder in the room that neither one of you knows about.
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Because you may be the victim of a neighborhood bully, I'm supposed to entirely give up my privacy?
No, recording someone for nefarious purposes, like blackmailing them, or publicly embarrassing them should be illegal, but recording someone for the purpose of exposing a crime or defending yourself against untrue allegations should be allowed.
The fact is that in today's world, there's absolutely no way to prevent someone from recording your conversation without your knowledge. Unless you search everyone you talk to, you can't be sure that they aren't using their phone or some other recording device to record every word you say. You only find out that this has happened when they use the recording for something. At THAT point, their actions should be legally judged based on their reasons for making the recording, the setting it was made in (two people in a room have more expectation of privacy than someone at a public meeting) and the contents of the recording.
In my case, in a complicated situation, my mother had a friend hang onto some money and jewelry for her. After my mother died, I found out that the "friend" had used the money for herself, for "an emergency". Nothing was written down, so I have no proof. When I can actually get in touch with her, she freely admits that she owes me money, but since my state requires two-party consent, I'd be breaking the law to record her making this admission. There's no way she'd ever sign anything or admit it in front of witnesses, because she has no intention of ever paying me or returning the jewelry. So she gets away with stealing what should rightfully be my mine because I can't record her confession unless she consents.
Yeah, that's fair...
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Now, how do I use this evidence which I recorded according to the law where I live, with these corrupt monsters being allowed the lead to have me prosecuted if they can pick the slightest fault in my actions that were only done with lawful intent? - with their actions being only of unlawful intent?
You have to wonder why the situation is even allowed to proliferate at all, and why people on the side of right are not assisted and protected.
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Told my SR.supervisor to listen to it as said by my supervisor to me isn't that against my civil rights isn't that defimation of character
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It may be a violation of recording laws (depends on your state), but truth is an absolute defense against defamation in the US. In other words, someone circulating a true recording cannot be defamation. I'm not a lawyer, this is a lay person's understanding of the law.
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Only a sociopath thinks it's not ok to have their conversations recorded, and to have their abusive behavior exposed.
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Not true Hippy Hop
But you can record any conversation you are a legitimate part of. Don't let anyone tell you different.
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It's not that simple.
"Eleven states require the consent of every party to a phone call or conversation in order to make the recording lawful. These "two-party consent" laws have been adopted in California, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Montana, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Washington."
More information at http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/recording-phone-calls-and-conversations
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The recording of conversations varies from state to state. Most require the consent of only one participant to a conversation, but about 12 or so (including California) requires the consent of all participants (there are some exceptions, of course).
Is surreptitious recording a good idea? Personally, I do not think it is. This site strongly advocates privacy rights, and I find the view expressed here somewhat inconsistent with such advocacy. Do persons downloading material from the internet truly have a greater privacy interest than persons engaged in a private conversation? Reasonable minds can differ.
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You see possesed of significant knowlege of Federal Law. I am a Petioner Ad LITEM pertinent to an Extrodinary Writ, strictly in the Interst of justice. The matter involves the on_going commissions of Human Trafficking between Party_States in Interstate Compact. My #414-379-9035, plz call or E-mail if you have interest in learning more about the matter and a particular question about delivery of Emergency/Extrodinary Writ to the Supreme Court. Thank you for your time and consideration.
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I sure don't want to be recorded...
I don't need a reason to say I don't want to be recorded. Luckily, California (where I live) has a statute that specifically prohibits recording telephone calls unless both parties consent. I don't think a person should have the right to walk up to me and start snapping photos, either. I have the right to privacy, and that includes from people who want to preserve my utterances and image for posterity.
I might consider it if there were a requirement that a complete copy of any such recording has to be offered and provided to the other person within ten business days.
I do have less concern, though, about recording public officials acting in their official capacity. If a cop pulls you over, I think you should have the right to record the whole incidient. But you should not be able to record that same cop if you call him at home when he's off-duty.
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The act of recording is ubiquitous today and will be even more in the future, and if you don't want to end up with laws that throws people in jail for filming their sons and daughters birthdays you need to allow it and look at the cases where it makes sense to not allow such things.
Privacy is good and I'm a strong advocate for it, but I also recognize some realities and one of them is that in public or with others there will not be such privacy no more.
Besides there are very compelling reasons to allow recording of everything you see and hear, it allows proof for things difficult to prove in the past but it also can embarrass people.
People need to make a choice right now. Do people want the ability to get proof for corruption, violence and bad behavior and deal with the problem of privacy or give up that ability to protect part of our lifes that don't have real impact on society?
Yes bad things can happen like the photos taken by school officials, that were not really criminals but control freaks that should be slapped for what they did, but not by the government, if you give that power to the government they will censor everything including videos of police brutality, political corruption that directly affects them.
So we really need to think hard on this one is not that simple.
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"If you outlaw phone call recording technology, only outlaws with have phone call recording tech"
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And I sure don't see how allowing secret recording of millions of private citizens going about their everyday buseinss is helpful in uncovering some random instnace of "corrupton".
This is very weird, because the participants in this blog tend to be against traffic light cameras and surveillance cameras in public places. But, when it's using your own iPhone, it should be OK? Because you might just happen someday to catch a public official being corrupt?
I maintain that secret recording of one private citizen of another private citizen is a breach of privacy, and should not be permitted.
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When you're in a public place? Why do you think so?
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So, obviously, nobody should be prevented from taking pictures of Niagara Falls merely because I am viewing it and don't want to be in the picture (though it is polite to give people a chance to get out of the way, and I would usually take advantage of such an opportunity). However, that's different than someone walking up to me to engage me in direct conversation and videotaping the encounter - even in a public place.
I understand the law generally does not take such a granular approach. However, I think it should. I think there is a reasonable right to privacy even in a public place. You should have the right to be left alone. And, while certainly anybody who happens to be at Niagara Falls on the day you go there can see you and report to others you were there, that's quite different from having your visit videotaped and potentially broadcast to the world.
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Whereas, if I deny the recording, they embark on putting it as if I refuse to talk with them and am not willing to work it out.
I think all persons should have the same right - namely this one. If a "bank" (i.e) is going to use a conversation in court in which I was recorded, or whatever pieces of the conversation they use and take out of context and present, how unfair is it that I cannot have justification of the conversation and refute those unjust arguments that may be put forth, with my own recorded conversation.
In essence, we Americans are subdued by corporations and their large legal budgets and the BS politicians put in place in order to continue to subdue us.
It's all gotta change and soon.
Happy New Year!
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Care to provide citations for that statement? The Fourth Amendment and the Privacy Act of 1974 both apply only to government's interactions with individuals, not to individuals' interactions with each other. Anything less than a federal-level statute lacks sufficient authority to apply.
This conversation may have already been recorded for training purposes.
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However, Mike, if you're saying that you think outside parties should be allowed to secretly record other peoples conservations, how about you let me come wire up your house with some listening devices? Even then, at least you'll know they're there.
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Would you find it wrong to record crooked officials, police and citizens and expose them?
Would you want non criminals to be thrown in jail because of stupidity like the schools officials?
Would you like to find yourself in jail for filming something in a park or have crippling financial punishment for that?
Would you like to have your son or daughter dragged to ta court of law because a stupid youtube video that showed somebody on the background?
Would you like to be ejected from a restaurant because you are filming your girlfriend or your children?
Would you not like to film the police abusing your neighbor?
It is troubling to think those things should not be allowed and could end up like that if people don't start paying attention to it.
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The comment was whether "outside parties should be allowed to secretly record other peoples conservations." You don't have a problem with that? How about letting me wire up your house then? Put up or shut up, as they say.
Would you find it wrong ... blah blah blah...
Funny how none of those examples involve outside parties secretly recording other peoples conservations.
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It is the state laws that are more significant here
I too see both sides of this one. One the one hand, I get the privacy concern. But from my days as a rank-and-file labor lawyer, the first 20-odd years of my legal career, I recall the general suspicion that when a worker claims the boss said X, many judges are predisposed to believe the boss and not the worker, so surreptitious recordings (in states where they were not forbidden) were a key component of building a case of retaliation.
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Yes, when trying to get evidence of a crime, always inform the other person that they're about to incriminate themselves on tape before recording their confession...
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As a rule, wiretapping, if not done for an illegal purpose, is allowed for impeachment - but that really doesn't go far enough.
As far as I am concerned, you are saying something that needs to be said, and IMO you are RIGHT!
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"No, your honor, I did not tape that because I wanted to blackmail him. I just wanted something to listen to with my grandcildren in a coupe of years."
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It depends what state you're in. Some states require consent from both parties and others do not.
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If a search engine is not adequate for your research purposes, hire a lawyer.
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What rights does a University have?
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Some states do not require the consent of both parties to record a conversation. That doesn't make what he did ethical, but it may have been legal.
What do I do?
This is really not the place to turn for help. Perhaps your university has an ombudsman who can help. Otherwise ask family or a lawyer for advice.
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What rights does a University have?
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My wife is very mentally unstable and threatens, intimidates, and otherwise makes my family's life miserable at times. She is very manipulative and very good at it. I have been recording her both audibly and with video for many years. Some incidents of her captured on media are physical violence, but most of it is emotional/mental abuse. She threatens divorce whenever she doesn't get her way and that she'll take half of "our" assets. (I work, she hardly has, and we have some substantial assets my family left). The peace of mind that I have is all of the recordings, because she makes me out to be the bad guy. She is always claiming to be "the victim".
Anyway, if I did not have these recordings I don't know where I would be psychologically. It is that bad. I have not released any of the recordings to officials yet. I am not sure that I ever will, but I am just glad that I have them.
I don't understand why people are so against recording. Yes I understand that the recordings could get into the wrong hands but that is no reason do disallow recording.
I am not much of a gossiper or manipulator and so whatever comes out of my mouth is basically public record as far as I am concerned. If someone records me so what - the bank, my employer, my wife. Why don't other people see it this way?
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I'm getting verbally threatened every day & I have no one to talk about it to because this person knows I'm in hiding from my ex-husband who tried to kill me. The only people who know where I'm at are my elderly parents & my 22 yr old daughter (the former can' be bothered not just due to their age as 'they want things to be simple in life' as they're married now 50+ yrs & Ultra religious) & I don't want to burden my daughter who is recently married living in Alaska.
I just had 5 discs replaced & literally have a cage with pins in my cervical spine until the bone regrows (with a spring) I'm not allowed to move my neck & I'm in the neck brace you see when people are feared paralyzed for the next few months. I own my own house but if there was space at a domestic shelter I would happily go. I can't evict this person without a 30-day notice through the court (says the police even though he's not contributing anything & I had him sign a legal blinding agreement). I'm obviously not allowed to drive or be out without a walker. This person has a major in psychology (I was a CPA) but he's a ranging alcoholic & does the dip thing in between that makes him even more out of it (plus he steals my MS medicine). This person has a warrant (which I didn't know about before) from Texas for running from his 2nd probation for DUI (Texas thinks it's his first so it's classified as a misdemeanor but if they find out if there's a prior from another state they'll certainly upgrade it to a felony). Anyway, I just want this person out (not through jail although FL doesn't seem to know anything about his well publicized warrant; he's REALLY paranoid about going back as I found out he's only spent 45 days there & while I feel for him & offered him help via lawyer he won't do anything about it; he said he'll wait until his Texas license expires in 2018). I tried to use the Aspire app but was warned you're not allowed to record in Florida as it's a felony. I was lucky that Darlene from 211 witnessed some of it but this person threw down my phone. This is HELL & that's the biggest understatement I can ever think of. Also, I really do feel like no one cares about whether I live or die anymore, & trust me, I have a right to feel that way. (P.S. This person swears that they are in love with me so I begged counseling; he also begged for cameras because he's right about EVERYTHING & even though it's pathetic at our ages I thought well at least I can feel secure; when I agreed & tried to make it happen he got really paranoid...he's paranoid in general, which makes it MUCH worse).
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Recordin in MY home.
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recording meetings between myself and my own personal attorney
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Recording biological parent visit
Where does the law stand on putting a hidden camera or voice recorder on the child (ie: pin or button or watch?) whilst visiting with this woman?
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recording a car dealership that lied about the worth of a van because I did not think I would get another one and he was pissed there would be no money coming into his dealership.
a lot of additional add on's for handicapped. I told him i would not buying another van for disabled, so he low balled
me to the insurance company.
He also sells used handicapped vans and had one on his lot
same yr as mine with 30,000 more miles. I want to record the conversation of how much he was selling this car for
compared to what he told the insurance company.
As I would like to sue this person under ADA. However he is in southern calif and I know they have stringent laws
about secretly recording conversations.
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A) Check your state laws whether you live in a single party or two party consent state, and B) Wouldn't it be better to just find a new doctor?
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recording doctor's conversations
Can any lawyers give me advice/expectations?
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You're already in a court case, why are you asking on an internet forum rather than consulting with your lawyer?
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recording doctor's conversations...
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recording a former boss.
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in colorado doctor and patient care recording
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One thing to consider is that physicians are required to follow certain predetermined guidelines set by insurance carriers. With healthcare the way it is, determining the medical necessity of certain procedures and treatments may keep many medical professionals feeling restricted and frustrated. Others are just plain unscrupulous and pretty much work for the insurance & pharmaceutical companies that offer large financial incentives to keep cost contained and prescriptions flowing. Doctors are human too.
For my own assurance, I do record. I use my own life experience to dictate what I do in certain situations. I think it is in my best interest to do so as ethically as I can. I personally am NOT going to battle these giants in any lawsuit, but my business attorney advised me that recordings without consent may be allowable in some instances. If the recorded evidence would be critical in proving the TYPE of wrongdoing that may be going on, it may be allowed. One of the first things an attorney might ask is if there is any proof, witness, recording, admissions, etc. One could be prosecuted based on the motivations of the recording, (i.e., to extort or violate privacy etc.) If it is clear to determine that the doctors treatment is criminal or in violation of a Code of Ethics/Conduct that they MUST legally adhere to, your recordings might help you. If this ends up in an actual court battle, a judge may have the final say on whether to allow the written transcript or the original recorded evidence. It is legal to journal and date any conversations between yourself and provider. It may be legal to write/type the transcripts from your recordings if you have any. Its best not to tell anyone except a lawyer about the recordings. A knowledgeable attorney will advise you properly. If someone feels uncomfortable recording a doctor in secret, it is legal to ask the doctor for verbal consent to record the visit. If the doctor consents, it might lead to a better outcome and ethical treatment. Everyone has a legal right to personal medical records to see what is recorded in them. In Colorado they have 30 days to comply. What is in personal records follow a person for life and may influence future medical treatment and decisions. It is legal to ask for a photocopy of a personally signed request of personal medical records.
Since the goal is to get well and return to work, counsel may be needed if proper treatment and diagnosis is blatantly denied. When not working with an attorney, it is legal to personally request to see another provider from your health insurance provider or works compensation carrier. Failure to properly diagnose and treat is considered malpractice in Colorado. A medical malpractice attorney can determine if that is the issue over the phone for free in most instances. If this is a WC claim, it is a legal right to ask for an Independent Medical Exam. Having a WC attorney could be VERY helpful for this, since a request can be denied. In an effort to get well, teaching hospitals often offer various affordable treatment options. The University of Denver has teaching facilities.
Doctors, Insurance carriers and lawyers have lawyers for protection. An attorney can give a free consultation on the matter. If this is still going it might help to post legal question like this on Avvo.com. Avvo attorneys will answer legal questions for free. It is legal to contact Dora.gov for any fraud or violations (keep in mind docs are very well protected). Your doctor WILL see a copy of any complaints written about them. You can check out the physician/physiatrist reviews on vitals.com or healthgrades.com as well. It might be a boost if you find out that you are not alone in your situation.
I said a TON, but as I said I went through the very similar experience. Same doctor perhaps. Its been a month since your post and I hope your situation has resolved in your favor by now.
http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2014/05/patients-secretly-record-doctor-visits.html
http://www.vegres s.com/index.php/can-i-record-calls-in-my-state
http://www.diligentiagroup.com/legal-investigation/pri vate-investigator-tips-is-it-legal-to-record-a-phone-call-or-conversation/
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Recording a chat that wasn't properly shut down
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It is usually always the case that the law is stricter about communicating the recording of a conversation than is about recording the conversation. It is usually not legal to secretly intercept other people's conversations unless you are a police officer who is conducting approved surveillance. But if the manager or yourself were a party to the conversation it may be legal depending on what the law is in your state. But in any case, the law usually says that the recording can only be communicated to an approved authority within the organisation that the conversation is relevant to, and generally there must be a very compelling reason to reveal a covertly recorded conversation to another party, such as for evidence of misconduct, or to protect your legal interests, and the process for doing this must be followed exactly, and it can only be communicated to the designated authority for this purpose. There can be variations on this across different states. but it is usually always illegal to communicate recorded conversations to just anyone for entertainment, and/or to make them public, especially when the designated process has not been followed first.
Did you actually check for yourself about the employment law that you referred to that says it is legal to covertly tape meetings and then play the conversations to anyone for entertainment or curiosity? I can not imagine that this would be the case.
The guilty party is a manager, but you are worried that you may not be able to prove that you were not aware of what was going on at the time so as not to be implicated. I would have thought that the onus is not on you to prove this. If someone wanted to find you guilty, isn't the onus on them to prove that you did know what was going on? I don't see how anyone could prove that. It could come down to who owns, or was in official receipt of the recording device,whose fingerprints are on it, who has the recordings in their possession or saved on their computer, and things like that which would implicate a person.
It is also a possibility that an employee whose conversations were played to people outside the organisation, could sue for damages if the employee suffers damages as a result of the manager's unbelievably poor conduct (which could also be illegal). It may be the case that the manager is personally liable for her actions, but if I were you, I would get legal advice to check and take what action if any to ensure that your company is not exposed to such a potential lawsuit.
I hope all goes well for you because you obviously recognised and care about what is right, and about people being able to trust you.
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feeling threathen by coworkers and boss
So one afternoon just after being berated by my boss. I got up and left my desk with my phone on record. Told them I was going to lunch.The next day I came back early to my office and listen to the recording. He was putting me down to all my coworkers and telling them how sick he was of me.All of the coworkers joined him bashing me. He said he should get some Visine and put it in my coffee so I could have the shits for weeks. He had everyone laughing. I was in complete panic. I was always feeling threathen but now even more. I started shaking badly. I do not know what to do. Unfortunately I can do nothing about this because it was not legal to record. I would be in so much trouble. But now I have to walk around with this fear. Do you think I have any recourse?
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Doctor Secretly Recording My Office Visits
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What about making a recording w/o consent if they have signs posted that audio and video recording is taking place
Why do this. It would take too long to go into fully but an example is I was hospitalized, a toxscreen taken, there was 2 presumptive positives for opiates and benzodiazapines. I have prescription the alprazolam, a benzo and only trace amounts of that were present as I'd stopped taking it before all this. After confirmation testing, NO drugs were detected from the sample but my prescription. As a result they want me to go to treatment though I am sober. I took a CD evaluation, and the recomendation was a safe driving class. So my last meeting my PO asked the other guy which driving class I was supposed to take. He got angry accused me of having heroin in my system based on a release of info I signed. He will not show it to me because it is considered private medical information, even though it is mine and for them to get it I had to sign the release.
So I explained thruthfully I have not used Heroin or opiates for almost 10 years. He then told my PO that he went to my house, was inside it, and that it is empty, nobody living there etc. He asked my address first and flat out lied to my PO a lie that could put me in Jail. I have witnesses that I am there every day, a real estate agent who knows I am there and the house is not empty-its on the market but nobody has moved anything! I had my mother call my PO immediately and confirmed the conversation had taken place, that if he had ever been inside it was not with our consent, and being that I am there every day, she wanted to know why this allegation was made. They verified the address and he had simply lied.
Further there was another hospitalization I signed a release for, my PO admitted to having recieved it after I signed a release. As soon as the other guy was there they claimed never to have received it, but in the same few sentences asked why I did not follow through with their directive to get a CD eval and treatment-again the toxscreen was negative for everything. So they denied having that though he asked why I did not follow the hospital's suggestion.
So can I record without asking specifically if the area I would be doing so is marked by them as an area where such recording is going on?
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Recored cell phone conversation
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Recording VA meetings with doctors and staff
Legal or not, the intent is to take all the evidence to the public through radio talk shows to disclose the corruption from top to bottom at more than one VAMC in Michigan.
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Warrantless recordings.
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The blue words in the article are hyperlinks. If you click on them, you can go to other documents with more information.
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is not right! aND HERE IS ONE REASON TO KNOW ABOUT BECAUSE THIS
COULD HAPPEN TO YOUR FAMILIY
ALSO!!
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Electronic harassment and SPY REVENGE LISTENING
implants
with mind control and used by thugs..
to thwart off a criminal case or hurt you and make you look crazy to shut you, as control and using unauthorized or hacked government,
police technology or military technology unauthorized by our leader!!!!to make you look like your ill or have a problem and not when your family does not even know about this covered operation to take you out of the picture of your home, friends and family!
It is the silent murder and it's done with two way tiny radios and computers!
but the neighbor in your area knows how it's being done waiting for your elimination....
is using illegal operations covertly to set you up! Because it is NEGLGENCE on your side AND
the laws side because they know about this technology...
but they ignore you when you say anything!
aND IT IS A PROEVEN FACT THAT WE ARE GETTING OUR MINDS READ...BUT THEY ALSO DID NOT SAY WHO ELES WILL BE...rAED THE ABOVE! EGAL HARASSMNET AND TORTURE IMPLANRTS
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Recording (privacy or not-privacy)
I live in Arizona , a one-party state, and I'm so grateful that I do.
I'm disabled... I don't just record others to take away their privacy, but to protect my own (Rights)
I see many many doctors, been hospitalized approxmently fifteen (10) times since 2006 & all-together approxmently fifteen (15) times since 1991. I've had to have surgeries, so much testing many of which most people have never heard of & the most troubling thing is no matter how many tests show that there is a major medical problem etc most (not a few doctors etc) of the medical world sucks & treat people like a number and/or like they don't matter.
So much and not just medical has happened to me, (it would take weeks to write it all) but the short version is that as long as there are those who lie, cheat, etc at the expense of those whom either can't defend themselves or know that they are being lied to, etc I will continue to record which I do completely by the law of not just my state but also the laws in other states if I'm talking to someone in on the phone, (I usually ask by asking what their weather is like or if I detect an accent etc)
When I learned that Arizona was a one-party state just a few years ago, I began to record. Not just the bad but also the good including (many of my doctors appointments) I do it because of many different reasons
1. To follow instructions
2. To make sure of what and how to properly take my medications etc
3. To also make sure that doctor doesn't claim they said one thing when I know they said something else. (I'm always told be your own advocate) but if you are your own advocate many times you get blacked-balled, which can happen to others (if they want to fight for their rights)
Medical is just one of millions of things we as individuals have to face on a daily basis & in most cases unless (as one attorney put is) "you need a smoking gun" figuratively speaking.
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Maryland oral recording - in my own home
I have an audio recording of my wife threatening to push me down the stairs. I went to the court (without this recording as evidence) and was able to get a 7-day Protective Order based off my threat claims of what she said. The judge stressed that I need to have evidence at our next hearing.
I recorded my wife's threat while we were in my residence. When I say "my," I mean that the house is solely in my name, as well as every utility and bill associated with the property.
One lawyer has stated that I can absolutely use this as evidence and it's not illegal to play for a judge in open court, specifically because it was done within my home that is in my name. She said my wife didn't need to be informed of the recording taking place at all. I have had another lawyer say that I still needed her consent in order to use it as evidence in open court.
I can dissect the statutes all day long, but for one lawyer to say I can't and another say I can... I just want a straight answer. Being on the fence I am leaning towards offering it up for evidence as it would ensure that the 7-day Protective Order be pushed out for an entire year, meaning I will be safe.
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Reasonable Causes?
Hi, I am making a story and I want it to be realistic. My character lives in Michigan and has a situation similar to this. So out of curiosity, if you record someone without their knowledge for reasonable causes (such as that person was threatening you) with that be wrong? And if, that person did threaten you on tape and you turn it into the police, would that be wrong?Plus, you made the police aware why you recorded that person without their knowledge and the police doesn't mind the recording, would that be wrong?
Is there any exceptions to recording people without their knowledge?
Does this vary from state to state?
Specifically, what are the exceptions to record someone without their knowledge?
Can I see that Michigan exception or law in writing? Thanks to anyone who answers!
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In home security camera
My ex volunteered to come over daily for pet care while I was away.
He used the time to go through the entire house and remove what I hope were his personal items. The camera notified me of motion at the house.
I was able to watch the camera live, I could also allow audio and record if I chose. I intended to attach the camera to a hard drive for safety/surveillance as I lived alone..
What are the legal issues in my home? What about my ex making calls while at my home? This was definitely a "public" part of the home.
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Related to fraud
I have given money to Someone related to business but I have video recording in which he is saying to pay my money Is it solid evidence to police case against him
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California: Taping grad school professor for individual use only
Listening later can help me catch things I may miss in class just by listening once at the time. I used my iPhone, which is password-protected. I want to talk with the professor about something he said (which I heard on the recording playback), but now am concerned I didn't get prior consent.
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School violates 1st Amendment Rights and threatens kid too
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The only part of the question that is relevant is that it's a two party consent state. That means if the student informs the administration the conversation is being recorded, then yes it's fine. Otherwise no, it's illegal. All that stuff about the first amendment, threats, etc. has no bearing on the recording question.
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EXAMPLE of secret recording
Be sure to catch how it figures into a complaint of Judicial Misconduct, see the Judicial Conference Proceedings section of that webpage.
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I do not think its right because I am I hearing the same thing from within to make me aware enough that what their using is to say and create issues to their advantage. Because of my husbands prostate problem and the ideal of eliminating me from everything in which I have no problem at all after all these years as housewife and others are screaming that I am not accomplishing a thing and see this as a tool for ones take over. I see it as a distraction and can not put up with what they sometimes say and use in order to benefit or make me nervous as to say, be careful or I did this or that and I feel like my husband is a man of his own and he should be the one to make his own mind up about things and I have been with him every day since I was 16. They are using the situation to control and make me less, look back and see all the experiences and confidents I had then I politely enjoy my home life and my husband goes off and stays gone all day and refuses to help me with any thing. He expects supper and every night something is said about what do I want and he never complained and has used this every night in order to make me draw up in a knot and feel so less. I think their should be an investigation and have complained and made documentations and the person who is provoking him to insinuate, is stalking me for the ideal of saying I do not please him and I should curl up and ask him every night and stand in there and be belittled and cussed and threatened for her pleasure. He was never bothered before and was glad to get the food on the table. I feel like this is coming from a friend who is in food services and I never go around thiese people. I beg God to put an end to it and stop being difficult for their or his conditions of throat cancer. They have even been in my home and set a hair up from the barber shop. I have never in my life been done the way I have for the others criminal intent and not be prosecuted for what is a subject of everything going on in order to blame me as a person. Look at the hate and the people and the computer and no respect for what is ones jealousy in order to drive a person crazy or make them go on for their personal gain. God help this makes you feel insecure and controlled and violated. How dare you do this to me and it has to do with me tracking him with the A T & T tracker and they bounced where they wanted to, well I love my only child and I love our families, plus the church and people are not the same and he should go protect his own and this should not be an issue for who wants something bad for me and to make me a distraction for the purpose of death and self destruction. Now something is terribly wrong with our society when the court feels like I am at fault and they have time to sit there and look for blame while I try my but off everyday Biblically and live to be greatful for what we both as husband and wife have accomplished, if that is an intent then how can I be about the others accusations of false commitment of trying to undermind one for the others self pity. How pathetic you are to even invade me as person, not mention my modesty and my privacy. Always trying to make a explain my goals and achievements in order to copy or create more animosity for how disrespectful they really are and feel they don't have to ask. Well, I am not about doing what I want, I am about precautionary measures and I feel one is manipulating the system in order to be about money and self assurance when with all do respect, why cant they open up a dictionaray and stop being so critical because of their own doubt. In other words they act like they can belittle me in order to satisfy their own needs as well as Dougs and I was never told the truth, and to me why are they bothering now unless they want what they will never be and ounce of pride and respectfulness. If you cant stand up and be your on person and stop making your life about some unknown then they are hiding something and planned out an intent with malicious lies that only cost them imprisonment. I'm sorry they expected something worst, they needed suicide so they could be free to enjoy what their up to. Why because I don't like everybody in my business because I don't have time to take over and explain that my son is very important to me and his future. The responsibility as a parent and the choices he will be making does not make you any better for your ideal of incriminating someone who adores life and especially Gods blessings, simply because it could be worst and I am older and running out of time and they sit there with the world my the tail trying do me like a dog. God help these people because I don't any part of it if it has to rule and try to make money off of everything that has happened. I will take to the Supreme Court if I have to because I have been violated and the issue is, I am human but I am not intentionally and I do get tired easily because of a medical condition. If you hear negativity and bad things and find that you can not vent write it down or explain it goes on until they expect you to leave and then they are the owner, in the event that they keep on harassing you for the intentional Tort of something so unkind and embarrassing to know they sit there and listen to voices all their life time and now use it against me is perhaps the telephone office or someone who was involved with a recorder or had the phone tapped at the bottom of the hill made them hungry for more or spiteful for their own remorse and vengefulness and they have no place in my life to hide or entrap me as a person or anyone else as long as I should live. Just like prayer and all the religions, this is personal choice by the individual and I should be respected not used for ones rejection. If this is used then how can I feel comfortable going out and staying alone or going on to school when one is pushing another incident to provoke an unforeseen accident or ideal of a hate crime only leaves me to be hated more and saids very little that you have to use this persuasion because of a dollar or someone so vain is despicable to me. Thank you for much and I suggest you forgive yourself because you only wanted humor to invade me personally because of your biases opinion in the first degree. Is it someone with throat cancer or needing my ideals like deodorant lotion and just how much money has these people made off of my brainstorming because I had time to think after all these years of hurry up and run because of an impatient husband needing more because of his Education and unable to read. We stayed busy so we could be the parents Brent needed in order to stay close and work at home on the Farm. Life was never about imposing any kind of threat I only see myself as very talkative and even-tempered and the Bible does speak of that. Because they want respect, to me respect is who fights for this Country and who has died and moved on because of poverty. A lot of judgment and sometimes repeat offenders do not know how to explain or question what reality is if you cant tell or feel no one understands how sometimes were all in need of HOPE and SECURITY Not being violated and relying on our own confidents and personal decisions. Respect for an individual has no barrier of bad news if you keep causing an interference. This was an easy outlet for you to control and want to bully me for my success in life, you wanted the credit and the reward for how many times have I saw this person in my life time. Someone that prefers an answer for what their doing to people close to me, in other words out of wedlock, would that be a forsaken reason that made them feel someone else is more entitled. It saids so very little when you can not be honest and a coward that takes a lot of guts.
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did a love spell that brought her back to me
My fiancee came back to me after 3 months breakup, she left me because her ex husband was pestering her to dump me. But I am glad a witch I met through facebook did a love spell that brought her back to me. (sangopriestesslovesolution @outlook. com) renuited my ex back to me. We are getting married next month. I just want the world to share my happiness with me. Love is a beautiful thing. We are getting married in Beverly Hills Ca. because we just relocated, everyone is invited.
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This site sucks for getting info
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What if your boyfriend is abusive??
My boyfriend is verbally abusive and I often lock myself in my bedroom to escape him. However, he will stand outside my bedroom door and yell at me, for up to am hour! I have recorded him yelling at me because I want to have proof in case this ever ends up on court. Am I breaking the law?
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This is not legal and is unjust. How would you like someone listening in on your con versation? Freedom of speech! Private conversations are just that Private!!!
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what is the law that covers this reference court that established it please and when
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