Court Allows German Website To Link To Software Company's Website Five Years Later
from the links-are-speech dept
Having recently been in Germany, and discussing the state of the law there, I have to say that I was pretty stunned with the level of liability placed on third parties in Germany. I was told, repeatedly, that German law places tremendous liability on third parties, holding them responsible for actions of users in many, many cases. So, perhaps it shouldn't have been a surprise that a news publisher, Heise, was banned from linking to a software company, Slysoft, which makes programs for copying various content from CDs, DVDs, etc., and which can be used to circumvent DRM. Way back in 2005, Heise was sued by folks in the music industry (it's unclear exactly who, and most of my searches are turning up only German reports on this -- so if anyone knows, please fill us in via the comments), and a court ruled that it could not even link to Slysoft's front page, even as the company's lawyers pointed out (correctly) that not linking wouldn't exactly stop people from being able to find Slysoft and its software, and that linking is part of how journalism works these days.Another court in 2008 agreed, but now, five years after the original ruling, it appears that a court has rejected those earlier rulings and upheld Heise's right to link to the website of a company it was reporting on (found via Glyn Moody). It's pretty amazing in this day and age that this even needs to be discussed, but there's still plenty of confusion over this. A link is just a form of speech. It's about time that courts finally understood this simple fact.
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Filed Under: copyright, drm, germany, links
Companies: heise, slysoft
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So I do not know what you point is with your comment.
When you have Senate candidates like that idiot in DE that does not know what the 5 protections of the First Amendment are. Or that it says nothing about a wall between one thing to another. But only attacks the other Senate candidate about her statement with regard to the lack of any wall. You have to wonder what the other Senators think of our Constitutional protections. So far it seems like they do not think anything about them at all.
Regarding your statement, I have to put you in that "Do Not Think" category.
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My question is, why are you arguing with Mike about this without even responding to his point of view. I dont remember him saying "everything posted is covered by free speech" or anything like that. He simply said that this should have been.
By the way, this is Germany, do they have free speech?
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Re: Speech
> of speech. Dangerous and anti-social speech
Not if there's really a fire.
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Here's the summary page of the case by Heise:
http://www.heise.de/Dokumentation-Heise-versus-Musikindustrie-437717.html
You can use google translate to get a clearer picture of the whole thing. It was music companies that went against heiste and among them were: BMG, edel, EMI, Sony, Universal and Warner - all represented by the Munich lawfirm Waldorf Rechtsanwälte.
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http://www.h-online.com/newsticker/news/item/Heise-vs-the-music-industry-German-appeal-cour t-rejects-link-ban-1108835.html
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http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Heise-vs-Musikindustrie-Bundesgerichtshof-verwirft-L ink-Verbot-1108479.html
The decision rendered by the Federal Court of Justice could still be appealed at the Federal Constitutional Court of Germany.
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You Know What’s Rich...
From the article:
That’s right. They tried to argue that a news report wasn’t a news report at all, that it was purely a pretext for posting the link. As if people couldn't have done a Web search for the company name and found it themselves.
If you need any more evidence that the recording industry has completely lost touch with reality ...
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However, Heise never did this on the frontpage of their flagship "c't" (nor with any article).
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Is it ok to state the site starts with an "S", rhymes with fly and ends with the opposite of hard?
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Be careful what you point at...
Who said it? "Shoot all the lawyers"
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WTO Case
Slysoft is based in Antigua, and Antigua has been granted the right to disregard up to 3.4 Billion worth per annum of US IP as compensation for the US failure to comply with WTO rulings about Internet gambling. Thus Slysoft's copyright breaking capability is (arguably) sanctioned by the WTO and cannot legally be blocked.
Attempting to prevent this redress is thus legally questionable.
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It's illegal to circumvent copy protection (as your DMCA agrees). The argument went that Slysoft's software served the sole purpose to do that. The software as is is not illegal, but buying it in germany is, because that's deemed preparing to commit a crime. Since Heise is considered to represent their opinion with the links they present, they would be liable to support a crime. Unless they can claim it's for informational purposes. The most part of the legal fight was whether that was the case, since the article might carry the same amount of news without a link to Slysoft.
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