Does WiFi Make Trees Sick?
from the why-wifi? dept
We've heard claims for years that WiFi makes some people sick. Unfortunately, the evidence shows that in double-blind studies people can't tell if there's WiFi (even if they do appear to really feel sick when they think WiFi is present). However, a new report is claiming that WiFi is making trees sick, and that the impact is pretty widespread. Having just had to take down a (rather large) tree in our yard that suddenly died, this made me pay attention -- but it seems quite unlikely it had anything to do with WiFi. In this study, it seems like the findings are extremely preliminary and involve a very small scale test, which appeared to show that WiFi radios had more of an impact than other sources of electromagnetic radiation. It could be quite interesting to see further testing in this area, but it seems a bit early to conclude anything specific about WiFi.Thank you for reading this Techdirt post. With so many things competing for everyone’s attention these days, we really appreciate you giving us your time. We work hard every day to put quality content out there for our community.
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What I want to know is what is different about WiFi then the other several million devices on the 2.4GHz range. Why does WiFi impact trees more then the cordless phones we've been using for years.
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Funny... but who knows
Kinda reminds me of the discovery found via google earth that cows like to stand parallel to power lines.
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Some food for thought ... Do they also stand parallel to ropes hung the same way, fences, or even lines painted horizontally on buildings?
It could just be a visual thing.
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This would make sense when you look at how magnetic fields effect iron filings.
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An electric razer has more of a magnetic field than a 120k-volt power line.
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I'm not saying its the most reliable research ever, but just an interesting possibility.
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Thing is, radiowaves are all over and around us. The sun provides radiation. To say that trees are susceptible to wifi is like saying they'll die by being in the sun too long. I'll read the report and update my opinion later on.
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And, of course, there is the amount of radiation. The amount of radiation on the visible light frequencies (non-ionizing) received from the sun is much higher than the less than 100mW you would receive if you were standing right next to a domestic access point.
For non-ionizing radiation, the highest known risk is from heating. Above a certain level of absorbed power, it heats faster than our natural cooling mechanisms can remove the heat, which can lead to a nasty RF burn. Higher power transmitting antennas also have high voltages on some parts.
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Things such as Bamboo or even sakura (cherry blossoms) to act as a control group would have made this more believable.
But if all it's saying is that ONLY wifi is around when people also have cell phones that have radiation, I'm not buying it.
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Titles that can be answered with the word 'no'
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bare trees
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I dont know...
The thing with people might be true, but the effect must be so small that placebo is many times more powerful. I know many people who live their entire lives "sick" and thats the focus of their life.
I just got over this cold, Im not feeling well, blah blah blah, its for attention, it might even be subliminal.
The frequencies are so close together (so many devices run within the 2.4 to 2.5 range) that it doesnt make sense for just Wifi to be more damaging than other things, such as wireless telephones.
Then again, wireless phones dont typically have up to a mile range (such as some Belkin routers do) and they arent capable of transmitting hundreds of megabytes of data a second.
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I am not saying they do or don't get sick or injured, just that the study referred to in the article just showed that participants studied (by govt. and industry group, so now Techdirt trusts industry sponsored studies?) couldn't tell if they were in a WiFi zone or not.
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Do you think if I name my WIFI hot spot with a positive message to the trees they won't die?
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The downside is that Google StreetView will drive your street, record the SSID, and steal your soul.
Six of one, half dozen of the other, really.
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Wifi
Come'on people, don't we have bigger fish to fry? Like how the rich are stealing America or what kind of future will our kids have after 'globalism' finally runs it dastardly course?
Get real, this is a waste of time...
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The elephant in the room
Wifi seems to be the least of their stressors.
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This is Science ??
No double blind test, no control, and 20 trees in the same location would yeild zero usable information.
And to say that the tree's did not grow as well as the same trees 10 years ago, ignors millions of other contributing factors, (like the weather, the pollution etc).
I really hope that no one is trying to call this "science".
Maybe these great minds could actually set their efforts on doing something usefull.
If that is what passes for science, that science is a joke at that place.. its a wonder the university would even allow them to publicise such tripe...
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All untrue coz it has too be
All not true because if it was, lots of companies and governments would be sued into bankrupcy. Enough evidence out there, we're just not supposed to believe it. :)
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