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How The MPAA Screws Over Indie Filmmakers

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Thu, Mar 31st 2011 4:02pm — Mike Masnick

One of the amusing things that we've seen in following groups like the MPAA and the RIAA over the years is every time they try to claim that they're really doing what they do to support the independent artists out there. Both organizations represent the big studios and the big labels. But, to make themselves sound more sympathetic, they love to claim that their real concerns are in protecting the "small guys" out there. We've seen it a lot in the film industry, where the big studios and the MPAA guys love to claim their "real concerns" are about indie filmmakers. Just a few months ago, when I appeared on a panel at a big Hollywood event for independent filmmakers, one of my co-panelists was from the MPAA, and he tossed out that line about how the big studios were fine, but he was really concerned about the indies.

Of course, that's hogwash. They represent the big studios and that's all they're concerned with. TorrentFreak points us to a perfect example of this in a short snippet of South Park's Matt Stone and Trey Parker talking about how the MPAA screwed them over when they were indie filmmakers when it came to ratings, but when they were working with a major studio, things were entirely different:

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blah, 31 Mar 2011 @ 4:19pm

Censored?
Goddamnit, can't we even watch uncensored video of Matt and Trey discussing how the MPAA is fucking people over?
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Jay (profile), 31 Mar 2011 @ 4:21pm

Wait a minute..
So let me get this straight...

The artists have rights but not until they join up with the MPAA?

Yeah, I'm really all for copyright...
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- Anonymous Coward, 31 Mar 2011 @ 6:11pm
  
  Re: Wait a minute..
  I think you are confused, is not joining the MPAA that is a problem, is not joining a big studio that has a relationship with the MPAA that is the big problem, if you are not a big studio you don't get the notes or hints to solve problems like the big boys do.
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Anonymous Coward, 31 Mar 2011 @ 4:43pm

If nobody's seen it, This Film is Not Yet Rated covers a lot of the problems with the MPAA's rating system. It does have nsfw content though, so don't watch it at work unless you're a TSA agent.
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- A Dan (profile), 1 Apr 2011 @ 6:02am
  
  Re:
  It also talks to (one or both of) these two about their differing experiences making the movies without and with the major studio.
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coldbrew, 31 Mar 2011 @ 4:44pm

no new contract after season 15
These guys are simply my favorite duo, ever. It's nice that we share an alma mater and they reference a ton of real life Colorado places, but I grew up around the same time and know the cultural references they make as well.

Season 15 is about to start and there is no contract in place for a 16. I hope they ditch VIacom and go direct. I would bet there's a million of us that would pay _at least_ $20 for a season (especially uncensored).
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- Anonymous Coward, 31 Mar 2011 @ 6:13pm
  
  Re: no new contract after season 15
  Google, Netflix and Microsoft all want new content LoL
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- kingalekz (profile), 1 Apr 2011 @ 12:42am
  
  Re: no new contract after season 15
  FYI the contract was renewed until 2013 (until season 17) recently.
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Anonymous Coward, 31 Mar 2011 @ 5:42pm

In July...
Not sure where that Subject came from. Safari's autocomplete I guess.

Anyhow, what I think hurts movie is more than just censorship. It actually goes both ways. If you make a thriller aimed at adults, you pretty much need to get an R rating. So that means you have to make sure you include a sex scene or something to make sure you get that R. PG-13 is the kiss of death for those types of movies. So filmmakers end up focusing more on making sure their movie fits a particular criteria instead of an artistic vision.
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coldbrew, 31 Mar 2011 @ 7:27pm

I just watched this again. Talk about gate keepers. Holy fuckin' shit.
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Anonymous Coward, 31 Mar 2011 @ 7:50pm

What?
How is a PG-13 rating a kiss of death? NC-17 yes, but you're saying that film makers add stuff to get that R-rating and ruining their artistic style? That makes NO sense and I'm hoping you clarify it better.
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- Bruce Burbank, 31 Mar 2011 @ 8:57pm
  
  Re: What?
  Chiming in-
  
  I'm a big horror movie fan but I generally won't even consider checking out any PG-13 horror movie because I'll expect it to be totally watered down. It's like it's been demoted to a lightweight class of movie, whereas I'm really only looking for the heavyweight Rated-R horror flick. A PG-13 rating is the kiss of death because there are so many people like me who won't waste their time with anything less than Rated-R.
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- Ed C., 31 Mar 2011 @ 9:16pm
  
  Re: What?
  The other AC was specifically referring to certain genres that are ideally for adults only. People tend to ignore those kinds of movies that "only" get a PG13 rating because that gives the impression that the content wasn't "bad" enough to get an R rating.
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- The eejit (profile), 1 Apr 2011 @ 4:01am
  
  Re: What?
  Go look for the At the Mountains of Madness d�bacle. Guillermo del Toro stated that he wanted a particular rating as it allowed hom to do what he thought necessary to do justice to the original novells.
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  - Erin B., 1 Apr 2011 @ 10:08am
    
    Re: Re: What?
    Well, to be fair, he also wanted a $150 million budget. So.
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Anonymous Coward, 31 Mar 2011 @ 8:45pm

The sound of guys who have made f-you money, and no longer care.
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- Jay (profile), 31 Mar 2011 @ 10:00pm
  
  Re:
  ... What in the bloody poo are you going on about?
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Anonymous Coward, 1 Apr 2011 @ 5:45am

The only *useful* reform is to list the content of the film, not the MPAA (or anyone else's) rating of suitability.

Imagine a grocery store where the "ingredients" panel had four choices: Suitable for Infants, Suitable for Children Undergoing a Growth Spurt, Suitable for Fat Ass Couch Potatoes, Suitable for Manual Laborers.
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- The eejit (profile), 1 Apr 2011 @ 6:25am
  
  Re:
  Wal-Mart?
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- ltlw0lf (profile), 1 Apr 2011 @ 1:25pm
  
  Re:
  The only *useful* reform is to list the content of the film, not the MPAA (or anyone else's) rating of suitability.
  
  Hopefully with counts too ("Full Frontal Nudity: 5 times, 2:30 total", "Bad Language: 5 F**ks, 3 S**ts, 8 Motha F**kers".) That way the kids know whether a movie is worth watching or not.
  
  In other words, any plan that doesn't involve parental responsibility is going to fail. If you don't go to IMDB to read the plot notes, and don't wish to watch the movie first to see if it appropriate for Timmy, then maybe Timmy shouldn't be watching the movie. Of course, I'm of the opinion (after growing up with parents that restricted me from watching movies to begin with,) that keeping your kids out of the culture, without careful exposure and teaching, is detrimental to their growth as much as allowing them to watch it without being there to explain it to them. It takes time and effort, which is why nobody does it.
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Anonymous Coward, 1 Apr 2011 @ 11:21am

Okay, THAT is more specific on the PG-13 being the kiss of death. Thank you.
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Nick, 2 Feb 2012 @ 5:27pm

MPAA
So times are getting better with iTunes and other channels that do not require MPAA ratings, so just letting other filmmakers know that there is hope and soon MPAA will not be need.
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