FBI Hunting Down World Of Warcraft Gold Farmers?
from the that'll-keep-us-safe dept
Just as the World Bank has put out an entire research report about the economics of virtual gold farmers (they claim it's a $3 billion plus industry, and has substantial impact on developing economies), it appears that the FBI is taking an interest in the practice as well. Just last month, the FBI apparently raided a Michigan home in search of virtual World of Warcraft gold. The university students who lived in the raided apartment claim that the FBI targeted the wrong place, and say that neither of them play World of Warcraft, but all of their computer equipment was seized. There aren't full details on the warrant, but the accusation suggests that there was some sort of virtual gold buying and selling fraud going on. I recognize these things can happen for quite a bit of money, but is this really the best use of the FBI's time?Thank you for reading this Techdirt post. With so many things competing for everyone’s attention these days, we really appreciate you giving us your time. We work hard every day to put quality content out there for our community.
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"FBI raids wrong house looking for WoW gold farmers. The intended targets had opened multiple fraudulent bank accounts in order to scam people attempting to buy the online currency."
While only virtual, the 'Gold' still equates to hours spent performing a task. And in any case, who cares how the fraud is being committed. That's kind of missing the forest for the trees isn't it? Even if the only fraud is on the bank accounts being opened, that's still a fairly serious crime, given the various uses for fake accounts.
The only way this might be a worthwhile piece is if the raid was done at the behest of Blizzard. If not, this is exactly what the FBI is paid to do. Who do you want to investigate what is probably national, if not international, fraud? The local PD?
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Can I suggest something?
Isnt that what the banks do?
I do believe the same thing happened to the market. And how many of the hundreds involved were SACKED or ARRESTED?
Until you can ENFORCE making MONEY from MONEY profiteering ILLEGAL I see no problem as long as there is SOMETHING traded besides MONEY.
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Dude, it makes your fucking sentences unreadable. I can't even tell what you're ranting about because I imagine a midget jumping on a table and screaming out the words you have in capital letters. Just so you know, whatever point you actually had there was wasted on me. Maybe someone without a midget fixation can figure it out. Fucking stop it retard.
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There was more Fraud in what the corps and banks did, then these folks ever did.
And Few if any are arrested.
Until you force a law about making money from money, there is no fraud. when such is created, then 1/2 the stock market can be jailed. Making a law about Money only being able to purchase hard physical products would be wonderful.
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In search of virtual World of Warcraft gold
Searched the suspects, too. Nothing but regular American money in their wallets. They said something about not playing World of Evercraft or whatever, but we took their computers just in case. The boys at the lab will disassemble those in case there's gold somewhere inside the cases or monitors or the floppy disks or something.
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about five cents worth*, but hey, it's gold.
*can't remember if this is US or NZ cents, but still.
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Soon, we'll all see MIB sliding down rainbows to raid them, too.
Should prove to be an interesting sight.
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[Insert off-color gold joke here...]
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My 1˝˘ Worth
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Good luck with that!
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Well...
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They did find...
They too have decided to focus their searches on liquids not contained in plastic bags.
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They not only hack your account, which contains your credit card info, they can also leave exploits on your PC.
These are both federal crimes.
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Also, I don't see how they can deploy malware into your PC through the game. If they can, then maybe we should be more concerned about the security level of the game client itself.
(PS: not saying it isn't a crime. I'm just wondering about the accuracy of your statements.)
(PPS: One final point: these scammers and crackers exist because there is a market. Like spam, if people ignored them, they would go away. But for some reason, people have this incredible urge to spend their hard earned money on virtual game money, which you can easily acquire IN THE GAME ITSELF by stomping random critters.)
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And I see absolutely no reason why anyone should care about gold farming. Gold farmers are compensating for the developer's market failure, which is the inability to provide the rational economic choice above.
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I do have a habit of reporting gold spammers ingame which requires clicking on their characters name and I wonder if there is some macro these people are using.
My son and I both had problems the same day, 90 miles apart with my PC his Mac. We do not know each others passwords and we rarely exchange emails.
WOW is quick to stop these people by freezing you acccount. Neither of us has had credit card problems and that info has now been deleted and replaced with time cards.
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And the fact that their is a market doesn't make it right for crackers and scammers to abuse said market.
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I don't see how the can crack (not hack) your account, unless you give them your credentials, either willingly or unliwingly (phishing). Or maybe you have a weak password?
Have the user create an account on the gold farming website, let them create their own account name and password, make them provide email, and their character name. Many will use the same account/password as their game account.
Also, I don't see how they can deploy malware into your PC through the game.
Don't need to deploy through the game - use any of the dozens of browser exploits on the gold farming website. Or put an add-on to the game client on one of the popular sites.
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We already have laws against hacking. Use those to prosecute gold farmers who have hacked accounts. Even if these guys are just gold farmers (an allegation as yet unproven), then it's a complete waste of federal taxpayer dollars at a time when we should not be wasting such money.
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"FBI raids wrong house looking for WoW gold farmers. The intended targets had opened multiple fraudulent bank accounts in order to scam people attempting to buy the online currency."
While only virtual, the 'Gold' still equates to hours spent performing a task. And in any case, who cares how the fraud is being committed. That's kind of missing the forest for the trees isn't it? Even if the only fraud is on the bank accounts being opened, that's still a fairly serious crime, given the various uses for fake accounts.
The only way this might be a worthwhile piece is if the raid was done at the behest of Blizzard. If not, this is exactly what the FBI is paid to do. Who do you want to investigate what is probably national, if not international, fraud? The local PD?
Why is everyone assuming the FBI are after them for the farming anyway?
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Read this ComputerWorld article. It talks about a Canadian study from a couple years ago that mentions this, as well as a US Intelligence agency reports mentioning the same thing.
Whether this is really a valid conern is a different story.
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Runescape Funds China Gangs
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So it's not a crime?
"FBI raids wrong house looking for WoW gold farmers. The intended targets had opened multiple fraudulent bank accounts in order to scam people attempting to buy the online currency."
While only virtual, the 'Gold' still equates to hours spent performing a task. And in any case, who cares how the fraud is being committed. That's kind of missing the forest for the trees isn't it? Even if the only fraud is on the bank accounts being opened, that's still a fairly serious crime, given the various uses for fake accounts.
The only way this might be a worthwhile piece is if the raid was done at the behest of Blizzard. If not, this is exactly what the FBI is paid to do. Who do you want to investigate what is probably national, if not international, fraud? The local PD?
Why is everyone assuming the FBI are after them for the farming anyway?
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this is too simple to explain
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http://www.feedbooks.com/book/4786/for-the-win
Feedbooks, For The Win.
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you can't get away from economics
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Did I Miss Something?
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Re: Did I Miss Something? Yes - You and Mke Missed Fraud
Someone should steal this domain name and see how "silly," name-calling Mike likes it.
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"using fraudulent bank accounts"
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If the FBI is involved, its probably because lower level law enforcement has their hands tied with tedious issues concerning the legality of confiscating computers..etc. Since the FBI is above the law, they get called in to handle questionable seizures.
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Yes, it's retarded to give someone money to farm WOW gold for you. But it's still illegal to take someone's money for a service you never intend to perform. Do it enough times to people in various states and guess who you get a visit from....
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Well Matey...
...and really bad eggs...
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Best use of their time? Hell if I know what their case priority is, but it sounds like it's not someone else's jurisdiction...
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New account password strategy
The key point is to make passwords that people cannot memorize and therefore have to put a post-it note on their monitor with the password :) That will sure stop wow account hackers!
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Here is one. You know who should fear the FBI, the rich and powerful that go "native". Nothing against the rich, but the FBI should be there to insure they got it and keep it, legitimately. CEO's should think twice about shenanigans they might pull. But now, kids playing games fear them more than CEO's that control an Economy.
FBi trolls, wouldn't you agree?
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Reading Comprehension
The FBI did not raid this place because they feel that gold farming is wrong. They raided the place because there were reports that in-game gold was being bought using hacked/fraudulent bank accounts and sold again, AKA money laundering. Check the game-pron link.
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Mike took the sensationalist route on this one.
Yes, interstate fraud/hacking is well within FBI jurisdiction.
Yes, executing a warrant to find evidence stored on a computer is reasonable when the crime involved communication on said computer and/or hacking.
Yes, it's perfectly reasonable for the accused to say "but I don't even play WOW" when they're being accused of fraud in the first place. I don't have to play WOW to defraud people of money on the promise of WOW gold.
I've never seen so many otherwise smart people go functionally retarded in one thread.
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FBI == Federal Bureau of Idiots (and asshats)
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They've solved all other crimes
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Funny title
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If you find someone to do real-world work for you becuase you just don't have the time, it's called subcontracting.
If the person you find is in another country, it's called outsourcing.
...both of these latter actions are perfectly legal.
Go figure.
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Most of our policies would probably work better in a fantasy world.
So which officials kid had their account hacked, and why does that resulted in this raid?
Oh fake bank accounts and stuff... and they still managed to end up with 2 people who did not have Warcraft accounts.
As to Warcraft being secure, there are stories out there about the authenticators being hacked, valid or not I can not say. It raises the question of why an online game has a higher bar than the government or banks.
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Gold Farming is not illegal. Most online gold sellers use phishing and other cybercrime tactics to steal your logon credentials to the game, and then sell everything in game to collect gold for online sale. Using someones logon credentials to access a system without permission is illegal.
"Just guessing here, but they can probably see the end results of the hacking on the WoW servers, but were probably looking for the tools/programs they used to do the actual hack on their desktops."
Nope. The hacking is done via keyloggers on your PC. This is invisible to blizzard. Once the hacker has your credentials from your PC, and uses them to logon, everything looks the same to Blizzard, except for IP address. And unless you have a static IP address that is meaningless. The only thing blizzard can see is in game mods like Glider (previously mentioned on techdirt). But as already stated, all the hacking is outside the game client, so invisible to Blizzard.
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I agree..!!
RAM usually has gold on the RAM to motherboard contact points.
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