The List Of Sites Challenging Domain Seizures
from the did-erik-barnett-lie? dept
Last week, we wrote about how the Assistant Deputy Director of the US Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) unit of the Department of Homeland Security, Erik Barnett, was in Stockholm talking up the "success" of ICE's legally questionable domain seizure program. One line in his speech specifically caught our attention:"The notice says that you can challenge the seizure, but no one has yet."Now, as we stated via our own investigations, we knew this was untrue, and that multiple sites had been trying to challenge the seizures, but had found the process to be incredibly difficult. I had thought that perhaps Barnett was being misleading, but technically truthful, in that perhaps none of the official challenges had been filed yet.
However, a confidential source with knowledge of these things suggested that Barnett is either uninformed or lying in his comments that no one has challenged the seizures. That source has passed along a list that was put together within ICE of the sites that are, in fact, trying to get their domains back. The list is as follows:
- rojadirecta.org
- rojadirecta.com
- Dajaz1.com
- onsmash.com
- torrent-finder.com
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Filed Under: challenges, dhs, domain seizures, erik barnett, ice
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Rather than speculation,rumors, and attempts to make the government look bad, perhaps you could bring some actual information to the table?
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LOL. The gov't doesn't need Mike's help to look bad.
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It would be nice to have some more information about how these sites are proceeding, how it could possibly not count as challenging the seizure.
Not that this lack of information makes the position of Barnett or the rest of the government agencies involved any better.
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Just got more info on this... look for a post in about an hour...
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Yeah because only US law is valid in the world right?
It would be cool if these sites sued in their own countries and won the right to seize US owned property in compensation.
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False on both accounts.
Rather than speculation,rumors, and attempts to make the government look bad, perhaps you could bring some actual information to the table?
These aren't speculations and rumors. They are confirmed facts.
Will you admit you were wrong when we post the details of the first lawsuit in about an hour?
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Taking bets, 100:1 if he admits he's wrong.
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The government IS bad. Anyone who tells you differently is either working for them, with them or simply hasn't been screwed over by them... yet.
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Can you explain what process Barnett was referring to, and by contrast, what process those five sites are pursuing? You were quite vague about it.
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The only ones being vague are ICE and DHS. Actually, they aren't being vague, they are lying. But hey, they are the government, and we've always been at war with EastAsia.
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And there's a difference between challenging the seizure and trying to get your domain back. A big difference.
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At least Mike is willing to put his name to his writings and opinions.
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They're challenging the seizure. Stay tuned...
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Two types of challenges can be filed
Any average asylum inmate can easily explain this. Barnett did not misspeak.
Barnett is talking specifically about the type of challenges that count as having been filed. That's what the seized domain owners are failing to file. Instead the seized domain owners are filing the type of challenge Barnett is not talking about, specifically, challenges that do not count as having been filed.
None of these challenges have any specific type of name or designation. The process for filing a challenge does not allow you to select which type of challenge you wish to file: either
(1) the type that counts as having been filed, or
(2) the type that does not count as having been filed.
If you file a challenge of the 2nd type, it doesn't count and Barnett is still correct and did not misspeak.
Once the seized domain owners actually file the first type of challenge that Barnett is talking about (the ones that count as having been filed) rather than any other type of challenge (the ones which do not count as having been filed) then those challenges will count as having been filed.
It all makes sense.
I hope that cleared it up.
(don't think about it too much or you may end up in an asylum yourself.)
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The point is they are going to mishmash the legalsleeze to make it look good for them, no matter what the agreaved party does.
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details of first court filing
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110613/12021514673/rojadirecta-sues-us-government-homeland-se curity-ice-over-domain-seizure.shtml
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When is ICE going to open up a magic act to align it with it's entertainment value?
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Accurate vs. Honest
His actual words might compute to a certain sort of truth for a given definition of 'challenge', but if he had any knowledge of what was going on, it was a lie.
The only charitable possibility I can imagine is that he is purposely kept in the dark, like an ambassador or a press secretary, for the sake of plausible deniability. - In the which case, he is merely a tool of the real liars.
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TVTropes to the rescue!
Jedi Truth.
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Re: TVTropes to the rescue! *Ogod* No!
The last time I was there, it took me THREE DAYS to get away...
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