German Court Says ISP Not Responsible For Users Who Infringe
from the about-time dept
As we've noted in some past stories, and as I discovered in great detail last year when I was there, German copyright law is a huge mess, where secondary liability issues are extremely unclear with many people arguing that the law allows for broad secondary liability on just about anything. For example, during one of my speaking engagements, someone in the audience read aloud a comment from Techdirt, and warned me that, under German law, I was legally responsible for that comment (which referred to... um... a rather dark period in German history) and that I must delete it.When it comes to copyright, this has caused all sorts of other problems and it's one of the reasons that YouTube remains limited in Germany. Part of the issue is that the court rulings in Germany have been mixed on this, with no clear precedent yet being set. Thankfully, a recent ruling has rejected EMI's attempt to pin secondary liability on an ISP for its users infringing. EMI had argued that the ISP, HanseNet, should be forced to use DNS blocking to stop some of its users from infringing. The court ruled against EMI's view and said that such an argument was "unprecedented." Tragically, I don't think that's quite accurate considering some other rulings in the country, but at least it's nice to see some additional good rulings on issues like secondary liability.
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One could say this point of view is naive. It would only upset the customers who do not do bad things.
Even if they could force all users to their DNS, there are still ways in which to reach the banned site.
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here, i'll start "germans have no sense of humor"
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At least Germans didn't risen to the level of the narco-gangs in Mexico like in the old days of the SS.
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Which is it Mike?
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I think I missed that post, do you happen to have a link - because you know, others might be interested.
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If you could perhaps quote or link exactly what you're referring to, we might be able to try to clear up your confusion. But we all know you don't provide sources.
Regardless of what level of liability it is, ISPs still should not be responsible for what their users do, nor be required to implement solutions to the entertainment industry's economic and business model problem.
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http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100518/0958549466.shtml
Referencing the hosting company as "fourth party".
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The article above is a different situation.
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Third party - The political party The Pirate Party who has agreed to host The Pirate Bay.
Second party - The Pirate Bay who hosts torrents (links) to both legitimate and infringing content.
Responsible party - the users sharing the infringing content.
Sounds correct to me.
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6th party?
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Third party - The political party The Pirate Party who has agreed to host The Pirate Bay.
Second party - The Pirate Bay who hosts torrents (links) to both legitimate and infringing content.
Responsible party - the users sharing the infringing content.
Sounds correct to me."
I have my doubts.
Copyright owners and copyright infringers - first and second parties.
Pirate Bay - third party.
Host - forth party.
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" For example, during one of my speaking engagements, someone in the audience read aloud a comment from Techdirt, and warned me that, under German law, I was legally responsible for that comment (which referred to... um... a rather dark period in German history) and that I must delete it. "
Google.de has and does block out websites that do not conform to German law, if your case ends up in front of one of their many "protection" councils. example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundespr%C3%BCfstelle_f%C3%BCr_jugendgef%C3%A4hrdende_Medie n
Basically, if they find something online that somehow falls into the category of "offensive to youth" they can have it removed from Google by order, and blacklist the site in question.
You visiting Germany could get you in some serious trouble. They were not kidding.
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