Why SOPA Would Be A Disaster For Scientific Publishing
from the suicidal-acts dept
One of the many dangerous aspects of SOPA/PIPA is that its backers seem to have given no thought to what the unintended consequences might be. In particular, there is no awareness that it might wreak serious damage in areas that are very distant from the core concerns of unauthorized copies of music or films � such as scientific publishing.
Here's a great post by the noted campaigner for open science, Cameron Neylon, entitled "The stupidity of SOPA in Scholarly Publishing", where he points out:
[The top scientific journal] Nature, every Elsevier journal, and every other academic communication medium, are full of copyright violations. The couple of paragraphs of methods text or introduction that keeps being used, that chunk of supplementary information that has appeared in a number of such places, that figure that "everyone in the field uses" but no one has any idea who drew it, as well as those figures that the authors forgot that they�d signed over the copyright to some other publisher � or didn�t understand enough about copyright to realise that they had.
These kinds of "violations" are inevitable, because science is about sharing � it's what you are supposed to do in order to spread knowledge. And thus drawing on standard materials in this way is a habit that pervades all of academic publishing to such a degree that few scientists are even aware they are doing it � or that there might be legal issues. That will make policing this kind of "accepted" infringement extremely difficult, if not impossible.
If SOPA is passed, Neylon points out an interesting consequence:
So if someone, purely as a thought experiment you understand, crowd-sourced the identification of copyright violations in papers published by supporters of SOPA, then they could legitimately take down journal websites, like Science Direct and Nature.com. That�s right, just find the plagiarised papers, raise them as a copyright violation, and you can have the journal website shut down.
Scientific publishers that are represented by the Association of American Publishers, which appears in the "List of Supporters" (pdf) for SOPA, could therefore find their own Web sites shut down repeatedly thanks to this law they are currently backing by default, since none has yet come out against SOPA. Looks like US politicans aren't the only ones who haven't really thought this through.
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If they were real scientists instead of pseudo-scientists they would do their own research and discoveries they would not need to steal material from others. This is just more anti SOPA FUD from Masnick.
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Oh right - he was just a "pseudo-scientist" right?
Since you obviously have no idea what science is, or what a scientific journal is, allow me to tell you: Even if you were right, and there were "real" scientists, you're still wrong.
Scientists, (even the idealized "real" ones you're talking about) publish their research so that other scientists can vet their work and make sure there are no mistakes. That's what science is. This article isn't about the scientists themselves, but about the journals they publish in. Journals have *NO* way of knowing the copyright status of the papers they publish. It's not just "very difficult" or "very hard" - it's flat-out *impossible*.
So if one of your imaginary "pseudo-scientists" publishes a paper in Nature, Nature gets shut down. All of a sudden, no more scientific publishing.
No journals for "real" scientists to publish in.
No publishing for "real scientists".
Science stops.
Do you see now why this SOPA is bad?
Maybe if you had even the vaguest idea of the issues involved here, instead of being a complete fucktard, you might not look like such an idiot.
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You may use this sentence as a calibration standard, Einstein.
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Sorry, thats a SOPA violation
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;-P
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But as I was reading this, I was thinking about the recent article about Spain's passage of their own "SOPA" law. And how it was pointed out that the government (via the Rojadirecta case) like to pick and choose there points from laws to cobble together arguments.
Now I'm no expert on the finer points of ACTA, but now that Spain has their own SOPA style law, they could in theory order the blocking of a site like Nature.com or MegaUpload.com or "insert website here" then call upon ACTA signees to "meet the standards of the member nations" (or some similar legal babble) and also ban those sites.
Basically if Spain (or some other country who at some point adopts a SOPA style law) bans a US website as "a rogue site" could they not use ACTA to call upon the US to do the same? If not could any of the follow up bills to ACTA be used in such a way?
(this isn't as coherent as I'd like, but I'm trying to get this out while juggling some things right now).
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Fine then...
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It doesn't apply to politicians, corporations or their suits/lawyers, judges, seldom to police, etc... it only applies to people who can't properly defend themselves (ie: those without the financial backing to do so).
It's never about facts in a court room, it's all about who can sing and dance the best. This is from a lawyer I met and whom used to think like I think, it was about facts. Nope, it's all about spin and singing and dancing.
Pathetic ain't it?
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Who says that it's the government that takes a site like Sony offline? SOPA creates some technical requirements and who is to say what people who know their technology could or could not do with what those technical requirements entail. Hell, it's already been proven that Sony (and the USCOC among others) has been quite seriously and heavily breached, and people I know who know computers seem to think people who want to do some not so good things will find their jobs easier under SOPA.
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Referring to the abusive of the legal system by the MPAA/RIAA trade group lawyers?
Sony was breached for their privacy abuse and rootkits.
Your implication that DDoS's are somehow akin to SOPA is wrong. Sony/Visa, etc... were subject to DDoS's for their abuse of power and lack of support for accountability (aka funding Wikileaks blocked).
If the RIAA copied ("stole" does not apply in the digital world because I still have it!!!) my songs and hosted them on their website, or copied my works (designs) and posted them on their website for all to share, I would have ZERO chance winning a takedown or site block against them with SOPA. It won't even make it to court, no judge will hear it.
Vice-Versa, if I were to copy information from their site, you bet your butt they'd block my site six-ways to Sunday!
The law does NOT apply equally to everyone! That was my point. So why you included DDoS's and some vague references to people you know is highly irrelevant and does not undermine, diminish, or even come close to tarnishing my arguments.
Thanks for coming out!
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Re: Won't work. The law does not, and never has, applied to everyone equally.
Sure, those in power can commit their blatant abuses. But public opinion is the one court where they can be called to account for those abuses, and it is the one court they cannot simply sweep the findings under the rug.
Heck, if it worked for the Arabs, even in societies with no democratic underpinnings at all, it can work for us fighting a much less deadly battle here.
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Just a thought
It's a cash grab and everyone knows it. That's what makes this fight so mind numbingly frustrating.
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Larry Page?
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looking forward to this happening, not just to them but to all the others as well. will serve them rights.
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SOPA/PIPA = war
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RE: Anonymous Coward, Jan 6th, 2012 @ 11:36am
Huh - while I agree with the overall statement - this part isn't true. At least for the journals I publish in. The journal requests transfer of copyright usually. For example on the American Chemical Society website:
"14. When I author a paper for an ACS publication, why am I required to transfer copyright to the ACS?
Transfer of authors' copyright to ACS serves several useful ends. The ACS generally has more and better resources to defend and protect copyright than do most individual authors. The ACS provides a single, central contact for dealing with grants of copyright permissions, and allows consistent policies to be used to govern copying uses. The transfer Agreement itself grants back to the authors considerable rights for how they may use material they have created. As a scientific society, the ACS accepts the responsibility for promoting the scientific integrity of published work, and defense of copyright is an element in that process."
So yes the author can get reprints for free generally, and reuse their own work but ACS also has copyrights.
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Research Works Act
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'work' is not the right issue
Whether SOPA will protect legal but immoral claims to copyright should be the primary issue; legislation should be put forward every time a bill like this comes, threatening to reduce the length of copyright substantially or remove it completely from corporate holdings - that is, only to be held by individual biological persons, perhaps licensed to corporations.
It is through these threats - possibly carried out a few times - that the copyright trolls would get the message that sleeping dogs should be let lie. Any attempts by them to extort from the nation should be met by seizure of what they presume to be secure.
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Shutting down sites such as nature.com through the use of copyright claims may be a good way to fight back. The recording companies want to shut down certain sites? The internet community should retaliate by shutting down as many sites possible all in accordance with "the law".
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