Is Using A Piece Of Existing Music In A Film To Underline An Emotion 'Rape' - Or Just The Way Cinema Works?
from the how-art-works dept
"The Artist" may have won several Golden Globes, but there's at least one person who apparently hates the film because of some music it uses:
The director of The Artist has defended using music from Alfred Hitchcock's Vertigo in his Oscar-tipped film after a complaint from its [Vertigo's] star Kim Novak.
In a full-page ad in Monday's edition of trade paper Variety, the actress said "rape" had been committed with the use of Bernard Herrmann's score.
Here's what the 78-year-old lead actress of Hitchcock's 1958 classic sees as the problem:
By featuring the music [of Bernard Herrmann], she went on, the makers of The Artist, were guilty of "using emotions it engenders as if it were their own".
But that's what thousands of films do when they use pre-existing themes or entire songs as a sonic background to key moments in their stories. Indeed, some films use dozens of songs in this way, as the length of the scrolling credits at the end attests. Does that mean Novak believes all these to be "rapes", too, and the film-makers "guilty" of using the emotions as if they were their own? Surely it's more a matter of building on the achievements of others - and acknowledging that fact, as was done in "The Artist" (although Novak called it "cheating")? In other words, this is just how art works.
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Wait, what, she's still around?
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A pass?
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Not doing so would make you a hypocrite, after all.
Or, you could stop being a moron and enjoy the film for what it is. Even Hitchcock remade his own films, FFS, and virtually every film he made was based on a book - including Vertigo...
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And just because this is the web so we need a good conspiracy theory - we're heading into awards season and the hollywood papers are full of 'for your consideration' ads. Perhaps this is an introduction of political style negative attack ads into the voting process.
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And these are the sort of asinine things people say when you combine entitlement culture (thanks, big content!) with rape culture.
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*Puts in full page ad*
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Ironically, those same decisions keep me from having to flog it.
I cannot stay mad at my penis.
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Feminists don't argue that men are solely responsible for rape, or that women can't or don't rape.
Novak applies the same logic to this as she is excluding her own kind, those who she agrees with, from the copyrapists.
Novak's comments show that she is not a feminist, anyway, so your entire comment is both wrong and irrelevant.
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Thought she was an actress, not the director.
I enjoyed the use of "Claire de Lune" in Ocean's 11, in the scene shot at the Bellagio fountain. Classic. I also enjoyed it in about six other feature films, where its high emotional value added immeasurably to the filmmaker's art.
Ahh, you say, but this is Bernard Hermann's film score, not a piece of classical music. My counter: While we once regarded film scores as little more than "mood music" played down low in the background, composers like Hermann have elevated film scores to a higher status... recognized for their inherent value... listened to without watching the movie! It's a legitimate re-use, I believe, to evoke a mood and tell a story with a powerful piece of music. (Guess I have to go see this now...)
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I wish this was still true.
When I want to see a movie I buy it, err license it.
When I want to hear music, I'll license the song/album.
Now I can't watch a movie because I can't hear dialogue for music and sound effects.
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Rape, you say?
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Dolly zoom
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Oh great..
I can just imagine the copyright maximalists now...
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Overthrowing the old cultural paradigms
I think appealing to reason won't work here. Their entire mindset is too fixed in the past. 30 years from now, will there be any Congressional candidate who can claim that they never downloaded a file from MegaUpload or similar 'cyber-locker' services? Never posted an infringing video to YouTube?
Hopefully, the propaganda used by the old guard in the current information war will be looked upon with the same sense of bemusement as the 'Reefer Madness' film is with regards to the dangers of marijuana.
Just like what every generation says about the one that came before it: 'They just don't get it.'
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For them "ownership" means something totally different. It's not a physical thing and it's disposable. But it is doing what they want to, when they want to and how they want to.
The content industry is still arguing among themselves who owns what and who will deliver it for the last 10 years and they will never figure it out.
The apathy is that average people don't won't wait. They have moved on.
Blaming consumers for doing what they want to is NOT capitalism.
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Better parallels might be the McCarthyist witchhunts that blacklisted many talents, the Hays Code and Hollywood opposition to home video. The industry is filled with folly that have seen them try to actively damage itself, only to be looked upon with wonder by people who haven't bought into the same propaganda.
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78-year-old
um 78-year-old
see 78-year-old
GET OFF MY LAWN!!!!!
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Cliff Richards and Carl Perkins.
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Next you'll try telling me Elvis actually wrote his own material...
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I'm confused..
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when you rip that out - Ohhhh Noooossss it is no longer in Alfred Hitchcock's Vertigo? What did they replace it with?
Confused indeed.
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How Many?
Wouldn't that be a good thing?
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