UK Report Blames The Internet For Terrorism, Says ISPs Should Take Down Content
from the can't-even-understand-the-role-of-an-isp-then? dept
It appears that technologically clueless, reactionary politicians blaming the internet for terrorism and demanding ways to censor content are not just limited to US Senators named Lieberman. Nope, it appears that some elected officials over in the UK have similarly allergic reactions to the internet. The Home Affairs Committee in the UK Parliament has released this fear mongering report about how the internet is somehow radicalizing the youth into being terrorists, and how ISPs need to pull down content.All of these reports seem to assume that because some kids used the internet to learn about terrorism, that it's the internet's fault they became terrorists. There's no thought to the idea that these disenfranchised kids were likely to seek out whatever way they could to join a terrorism organization. That would involve actually understanding the root causes of terrorism, though, and it's much, much easier to just point a finger and blame the internet. Of course, since it appears these luddites don't understand the internet at all, it's no surprise that they confused ISPs with hosting companies -- and demanded that the ISPs "take down" content, when the only thing they really could do would be to block content. Hosting companies would be able to remove it. David Meyer, the ZDnet UK reporter who wrote the story linked above, asked a spokesperson for the committee to explain this rather glaring error, and the person "was unable to explain." That should tell you just about everything you need to know about this report, and it should be laughed out of any further discussion should it ever be brought up again.
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Check and mate.
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The internet makes it so that the single pervert in each town or city can become friends with the other lonely perverts out there, which gives them a sense of community, training in how to hide their activities, and sources for new materal - as well as encouragement to go out and do more.
This is one of those areas where the effects of the internet are clear and very negative.
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The Internet is an amoral tool, the common connection is people.
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But not impossible. Child porn most definitely existed before the internet, and the lack of media hype meant that it often went unnoticed.
Also, the same argument as above could be made about connecting people with purely decent interests (e.g. Linux was made possible by the internet, as have a huge number of educational resources).
"This is one of those areas where the effects of the internet are clear and very negative."
Only if you take one side of the argument.
The flipside, of course, is that it also makes it easier for these people to be tracked. If ordinary people anywhere in the world can access these images, then so can law enforcement. If used correctly, they can not only catch the people ultimately responsible for child porn, but also gather intelligence to enable future gangs to be caught more easily. It can be used as a fantastic tool to monitor and catch criminals, and even set up honeypot and other traps to catch would-be paedophiles before they can abuse a single child.
It's not cut and dried, but the argument is there that the internet has helped catch as many of these people as it has allowed to do evil things. The internet is ultimately a benign tool - what it allows ultimately isn't anything new, although the scale and accessibility might be.
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In any case, I'm going to repeat your statement replacing a couple words:
Before the internet, it was incredibly hard to communicate around the world. Many researchers would have been isolated, with no way to "hook up" with others that have similar interests.
The internet makes it so that the single researcher in each town or city can become friends with the other lonely researchers out there, which gives them a sense of community, training in how to enhance their activities, and sources for new (sic)materal - as well as encouragement to go out and do more.
This is one of those areas where the effects of the internet are clear and very positive.
FTFY
Of course, there's lots of things you could put in there for a positive example. I challenge you to come up with 5 legitimate (affects more than 5% of the global populace) negative effects.
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Not entirely true, there were printed media in which researchers would discuss their work. They could even ring one another if they wanted to.
The Internet has made it much easier for people to contact one another in a manner that cannot be regulated and is largely 'unseen'. It differs from 'traditional media' in that don't even need to know who you are talking to or even how to contact them.
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And, of course, this was true for pedophiles as well.
The internet is a communications tool. It is fundamentally no different than the phone system, mail system, telegraph, radio, or even the highway & train systems in this way. All of those things can and are used for anonymous communications as well.
Criminals use all communications tools. Always have and always will. To single out the internet as particularly pernicious is just wrong.
If you are saying that the internet is bad because it lets people talk more easily, then I think you have a bigger beef with society at large than the internet in particular.
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1) Pedophiles running on the streets hunting our kids
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2) Pedophiles browsing images on their computer screens
I think any rational person would prefer option 2...
There is a lot of research showing that availability of porn on the Internet reduce actual rapes: This one for example: http://www.toddkendall.net/internetcrime.pdf
So in my opinion your conclusion:
"This is one of those areas where the effects of the internet are clear and very negative" is really unproven.
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The equivalent of using a nuke, when a precise surgical incision is required, yes there are problems that need sorted, but its not a freaking nuke, just because surgery is too damn hard
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You dont blame you're tools for user error, unless you're THAT stubborn
and because of certain users, the TOOL, not the user, must change.........i dont bloody think so
keep you're hands of the bloody internet *raises shaky hands
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You sir are on a par with the Duke of Wellington , who disliked the railways because they would allow "the lower orders to move around" Go back to the 18th century where you belong.
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Don't you mean the internet is a place with information of mass distraction?
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ACTA Protest Day
The main ACTA Protest Day is this Saturday, February 11, 2012.
All of Europe is involved along with a few sites in Canada & the United States. You see the full schedule here...
https://www.accessnow.org/policy-activism/press-blog/acta-protest-feb-11
We have already won Poland where over 40,000 people marched where the Government has now said ACTA will not be ratified and they will seek to stop ACTA in the European Parliament. Now we need to convince other countries to do the same.
Pick your location & come armed for this fight...
http://www.laquadrature.net/wiki/images/7/76/Acta-infographics.png
http://www.derechoalee r.org/images/2010/stop_acta-color_rgb-web.png
http://goo.gl/hCtz4
Loads of designs to choose from so look around for the best one & I will see you there. Warm clothing strongly recommended!
Please sign the online petition when they only need a few more people to hit their 2 million goal...
http://www.avaaz.org/en/eu_save_the_internet_spread/?fndLIcb&pv=307
See how Hollywood always fears technology and fights progress. Now they fear the Internet and want to censor you...
http://i.imgur.com/8ubzj.jpg
It is time to recover the many freedoms that these Governments have taken from us. Please spread this news.
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Parallels
I guess history really does repeat itself...
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Due to modern communications, we are seeing an acceleration of consensus, and a shortening of the time it takes for systems to be attacked for being corrupt or overbearing. This trend is accelerating at an amazing rate.
I actually posted this elsewhere also
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But wait
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Blame. Target. Get reelected.
The third is the opposite of what Descartes said "A state is better governed which has few laws, and those laws strictly observed.". They have to make laws or they will lose their power.
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If they kids can't see the terrorist organizations, then they can't join them b/c such organizations don't exist!
It's really quite simple. It's like peek-a-boo, but with adults......
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New report blames Internet for politicians revealing stupidity to the world
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Labeled
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It's these types of reactions
This would serve a dual-purpose. First off, they would hopefully wise up to the follies of such attempts by the government to control the freedoms of the people, and make them learn a little about copyright issues (a la the similarities of plagiarism and copyright)
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It's these types of reactions
This would serve a dual-purpose. First off, they would hopefully wise up to the follies of such attempts by the government to control the freedoms of the people, and make them learn a little about copyright issues (a la the similarities of plagiarism and copyright)
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Cautionary tales, doncha know.
Unfortunately, many of my generation assumed they were instruction manuals.
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I'm just sick of it
On a side note...
Yeah the US cares about terrorism and has declared war on the evil doers. The KKK has had a website for how long?
Look up terrorism in the US in Wikipedia and see what organization has committed the most terrorist acts on US soil. Yep it's the KKK.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1563119.stm
Let's face it, governments around the world use 'terrorism' as an excuse to legislate whenever it suits their political needs and ignore it the rest of the time.
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Here's a couple questions for you government types:
In who's hands have guns killed more people? In the hands of private citizens or in the hands of governments?
Who starts wars? Governments or people?
Now again - who are the terrorists?
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What browser was most common then? My memory fails me here... ;)
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Clearly, it is unacceptable that mere plebs are allowed to rock the boat, so the interwebs has to go.
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http://craphound.com/littlebrother/download/
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-Terrorism
-Jobs
-Copyright
-Child pornography
Government Guidebook
Government 101 :Passing laws
-Raise an "issue", that usually gets a rise from the public
-Produce you're bill/law as the solution to these problems
-Puclic outlash at the "issue"
-Public demands a solution
-Oh but wait, you have something prepared,
-Public sighs in relief
-You pass the bill/law with the publics consent
-You now have another avenue of consented control, to do with, whatever you feel necessary
-Public are glad they brought the issue up
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Links, info............especially on who are the officials behind this
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FTFY. People who can't use contractions correctly should avoid trying to. You were looking for "your".
/grammar_nazi
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Bit-Flip Wilson Says ...
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Government responds by making more stupid laws.
Gives me a mental image of an ouroboros.
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