Dear Ron Kirk: Transparency Isn't Hearing From Critics, It's Telling The Public What You're Doing
from the that's-not-the-transparency-we're-looking-for dept
We've been spending a lot of time talking about just how secretive the USTR (led by its boss Ron Kirk) has been concerning the TPP negotiations. However, what may be even worse isn't just Ron Kirk's stonewalling, it's the fact that he either does not know what transparency means, or is playing dumb when confronted on the issue. Last week, we noted that his response to a letter from legal scholars requesting more transparency insulted the intelligence of those scholars, when he said he was "insulted" himself by the claim that the USTR was not transparent in the TPP negotiations. As evidence of his supposed transparency, he noted: "USTR has conducted in excess of 400 consultations with Congressional and private stakeholders on the TPP, including inviting stakeholders to all of the twelve negotiating rounds."We already noted that he was playing word games here and being disingenuous, but it's even worse than that. As Sherwyn Siy properly points out, what Kirk is pointing out isn't transparency. All he's talking about is hearing various opinions -- not sharing what the USTR is actually doing. As Siy points out transparency is about information flow in the other direction:
This is a key point that needs to be made about transparency—it's not about whether or not the government has the relevant opinions of the public. Transparency is about the flow of information the other way—information about the workings of government being visible to the people it is supposed to represent. That is precisely what is lacking in this process. This should be an obvious point, but it's one that Kirk's response either fundamentally misunderstands or deliberately sidesteps. So long as no actual proposed text comes to light (you know, the way draft laws and international treaties are published), the process remains opaque, and no amount of input from whatever stakeholders into the TPP process makes up for a lack of real information flowing the other way.Until Ron Kirk is willing to address that point, his disingenuous and insulting claims about how many meetings he's holding are meaningless fluff from someone who is avoiding his official duty as a representative of the American public.
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Kirk pratices the worlds oldest profession
There is the problem. He is not representing the American public, he is representing the industries with money.
Seems he is just another political sellout that goes with the money... like the worlds oldest profession.
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At least there is a happy ending with that one.
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Take the related chapter out of the TPP and all their whining about transparency will disappear in a heartbeat.
IOW, transparency to them seems to be all about documents that cut against their so-called "scholarship".
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That's both ridiculous and obnoxious at the same time.
You have a habit of doing that.
Take the related chapter out of the TPP and all their whining about transparency will disappear in a heartbeat.
These legal scholars are interested in IP, and thus they are focused on that. I'm not sure what your issue with that is. Are you saying that because they're IP scholars it's somehow hypocritical of them not to be as interested in other subjects? That's ridiculous.
IOW, transparency to them seems to be all about documents that cut against their so-called "scholarship".
Bullshit. Are you denying that there is no real transparency here? The transparency argument is separate from the argument about the content of the document. Yes, these researchers are concerned about the content, but they are separately concerned about the total lack of transparency.
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Apparently you have never had the misfortune of trying to engage them in a substantive debate. Respectfully disagree with their legal analysis and they become downright and unrespectfully disagreeable.
Fortunately, there are many in academia who approach these issues with an open mind. Unfortunately, I did not note any of them as having signed the letter.
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I know many of these people personally and have NEVER seen the behavior you describe -- and this includes the many times I've had substantive disagreements with some of them.
I have, however, dealt with you many times in the past and have found you to be unrespectfully disagreeable at almost all times.
Fortunately, there are many in academia who approach these issues with an open mind. Unfortunately, I did not note any of them as having signed the letter.
To you "open mind" appears to mean someone who agrees with your extremist views on the law.
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To you "open mind" appears to mean someone who agrees with your extremist views on the law.
Sounds sort of like your view of judges and their rulings, Masnick. Either they are corrupt dolts making blatantly unconstitutional decisions, or they are one of the few that 'get it'.
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there are a lot of politicians who are very good at being politicians... too bad that's the process of Getting the job, not Doing it, when it comes to government.
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Because as long as the man on street (Tanya Andersen, Larry Scantlebury, Marie Lindor) can be hauled into court for alleged crimes based on IP, it matters to the general public more than the other topics you've mentioned.
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Foreign Aid is even more open. Hell, watch C-span you dolt.
Security agreements are EXACTLY what we are discussing now as that is what TPP is all about and you are WAY to dense to get that point.
Troll harder next time.
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However, seeing as these ones are happening in near-complete secrecy, I'd be more willing to assume the worst i.e. that they are mass-slaughtering Middle America's babies in their sleep whilst chanting the name of Azathoth so that they can cure the world of sanity.
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When the diplomacy will require us to change our laws, then there is no difference.
Let's face it, few people would insist that an arms reduction treaty, foreign aid, security agreements, etc be negotiated on C-Span.
No one is asking for the negotiation to happen on CSPAN. Why you would exaggerate that way, I do not know.
All we are asking for is the US to *make public* what the US's position is. This does not weaken our position, nor cause any problems. It just lets the public know what is being pushed for in our name, and how it may change legislation.
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IP protection. The TPP negotiations don't appear to be much different than other international treaty negotiations. It seems a bit unfair to rip on TPP if the representatives are operating within established parameters of international diplomacy.
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I don't entirely disagree, but it seems like folks are demanding a play-by-play of the negotiations. The problem is that, with any agreement, things change. A get in one area comes from a give in another.
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"When the diplomacy will require us to change our laws, then there is no difference.""
Apart from the fact that unlike politicians you have not in fact been vested with the responsibility for creating new laws by the population of your country, you mean?
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