Appeals Court Wants To Know Why TSA Is Ignoring Court Order Over Public Hearings On Naked Scanners
from the we're-the-gov't,-we-can-ignore-stuff dept
About a year ago, we wrote about a court ruling that the TSA's naked scanners were legal (they didn't violate the 4th Amendment's restriction on "unreasonable" searches), but that the TSA failed to hold the proper public hearings before buying and deploying them. The TSA appears to have only paid attention to the first part. After a bunch of folks asked why the TSA was ignoring the order for public hearings, now an appeals court has officially weighed in and demanded to know why the TSA has failed to hold public hearings more than a year after that court ruling. The order is pretty straightforward:ORDERED that the Department of Homeland Security, et al., respond to the petition on or before August 30, 2012.The TSA has said that it would hold hearings "next year" (or two years after it was ordered to do so). You would think that it wouldn't take the TSA two years to set up basic hearings -- especially while it has continued to roll out a variety of new scanning machines...
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That's the only thing that the Federal government knows how to do, trample all over our constitutional rights.
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Bunch of A-Holes in our Government
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"National Security"
There were TWO lessons to learn from "A Few Good Men"
1) Yes, in the world we live in, you need someone on that wall doing the dirty work to keep a nation safe just as Jack Nicholsen portrayed so well.
2) Yes, we do in fact get to question how they do their jobs.
Apparently the federal government now acts like only #1 applies.
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We have created Al-Qaeda and other terrorist organizations today by butting into the Middle East's business when we should not have.
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*rolls eyes in annoyance*
Yes, because Saddam Hussein, a man who commited genocide on the village of Dujail in 1982, got 100% of the yes votes from his people to reelect him for president under penalty of death for a no vote, and was scentenced to death for crimes against humanity is deffinitly a bad reason to leave the middle-east alone.
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Unions thumb nose at Taxpayers
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Columbus International Airport
But really, the TSA should do better to tell the public what the images actually show so nobody complains. Of all the Tomfoolery in top secrecy and national security, the TSA failed completely in realizing that people won't understand until the machine's capabilities (or lack thereof) are fully demonstrated.
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1. Put up big monitors so everybody can see the scan--everybody can be equally humiliated.
2. Put in place a "you can stab/hit/insert-into the stupid TSA Agent anything you can sneak thru the naked body scanner" policy.
(3. Record all this crap and add some zany music for America's newest game show.)
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I think they've done a reasonably good job of doing that. You can see sample images and everything at TSA's site and other places. That's one of the reasons that people are complaining.
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As for the scans at the airport, it's no more revealing than an MRI or CAT scan.
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I think that the press made such a huge deal out of the "possibility" of an agent being a pervert because of a very small and few incidents of devience in protocol. Most of the agents I have run into are trained professionals and would never purposefully scan someone because they wanted to see them naked.
As I stated before, it's the media making a mountain out of a mole hill. Fox and CNN are always quick to jump the gun on single isolated incidents. They only report speculation rather than facts and use speculation to milk the story into a drama.
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Ahh, I think I see why I was unable to understand your point.
Neither myself, nor anyone I personally know who objects to the scanning (which hovers near 100% of the people that I know) object to it because they think the agents might be perverts.
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Precisely, ^_^ and I do realize that people are really self conscious about their bodies too. I could hazard a guess to say that has a bit of a factor in it. But what people fail to realize is that the TSA agents that are actully looking at your body are trained medical professionals who are not inclined to share your "naked" photos online.
I should clarify and merge a couple of things as well so hang in their I will do my best to explain.
Say we have an incident where ONE agent goes out of line and decides to strip search a hot chick or a hunk of a guy, and that one person objects to the strip search. It gets spread that the person was quite violated. So what happens is, that one person tells their experience. Now maybe the person understands the fact that particular agent was out of line, maybe he or she doesn't. The story trickles on slowly and then WHAM!!! It reaches CNN and Fox. Both of whom make huge deals out of isolated unrelated incidents and both seem to make it like a conspiracy. They report on the fact that she was being hatrassed and make it look like the entire process is like that.
Nothing on anyone to object to it because they are self conscious, but when I look back on how much hype these incidents got on CNN and Fox I start to realize how it has slowly been indoctrinated into viewers who actually rely on them for news eventually start believing the misinformation they receive from those two news agencies.
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Most bodies show up as a white blob with no ID features. The only identifiable (and i mean just basic shapes) things are the naughty bits. Heck even with the naughty bits it's in such low detail you can't identify who it is.
In other words, it's no porno, they don't see vitals, they only check for foreign objects.
As for the illegal search and seizure bit, I personally think the TSA needs training from the police to determine the nessecity for that. A lot of the TSA policies were written by politicians and not law enforcement officers.
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(Source: Joint Pub 3-07.2, Antiterrorism, (24 November 2010))"
They've used 'threat of violence' (do this or you'll get blown up) to cooerce societies (ie the traveling public into nudie scanners) for ideological (that they're supposed to be in control) and political (ditto) beliefs, for a goal that's political 'anti terror legislation passage, and government control'
They are, by definition, terrorists.
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As for the second, say goodbye to ever flying into, out of, or around the US; defy the TSA and you're not boarding your flight, period.
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Don't look behind that curtain
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Because they can that's why...there's nothing to see here...move along citizen.
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You would think...
Actually, I would think it would take the TSA a lot more than two years to set up anything -- especially if it has a variety of new scanning machines still to be rolled out for taxpayer (=easy) money...
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The radiation is the problem.
The TSA does not allow it's employees to wear dosimeters.
No one knows how much radiation passengers are exposed to.
If you're more concerned about the visibility of your genitals than you are about developing cancer from radiation exposure you're sadly misguided.
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As for the dangers from being exposed to radiation, what do they care? Recently they've been putting truck drivers through the same thing.
Ironic how the TSA, supposedly charged with overseeing public safety, would just as soon clobber someone over the head if they protested their draconian measures.
Remember when they beat that Iraq soldier in Las Vegas just for carrying a can of Sprite?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaX0dSRl9zw
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Opt out, nah.... Too hard for most americans
I opt out every single time, and i am very, very much in the minority. You all gave in and accepted the scanners, so the 'terrorists' won. So shutup and be scanned, you sheep.
/troll
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this just in...
Millions flounder in Sea of Fire!
Shocked and awed onlookers do .. nothing.
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