Garry Kasparov Was Arrested Outside Of Pussy Riot Courthouse

from the kings-and-pawns dept

Mon, Aug 20th 2012 2:58pm — Timothy Geigner

We had just covered the shameful Russian court ruling that sentenced members of the punk band Pussy Riot to two years in prison over their political music/speech at an Orthodox church. Aside from being a simply horrific example of the Russian government coming down hard against free political speech, this move was also curious in that it essentially took a moderately-known punk band and turned them into The West's next great martyrs. Several high profile musical artists have already kept the story going, including Madonna, Bjork, and Paul McCartney, in the tradition of The Streisand Effect.

And now, as is being reported in several places, we learn that famed chess champion Garry Kasparov's name can be added to the list of high-profile figures involved. He details in The Wall Street Journal his own arrest outside of the courthouse the day of Pussy Riot's sentencing. It should be noted that Kasparov is the leader of the United Civil Front in Russia and Chairman of the Human Rights Foundation here in The States, and that he's been a critic of Vladimir Putin in the past, but none of that appears to excuse his arrest.

The crowds outside the court building made entry nearly impossible, so I stood in a doorway and took questions from journalists. Suddenly, I was dragged away by a group of police—in fact carried away with one policeman on each arm and leg.

The men refused to tell me why I was being arrested and shoved me into a police van. When I got up to again ask why I had been detained, things turned violent. I was restrained, choked and struck several times by a group of officers before being driven to the police station with dozens of other protesters. After several hours I was released, but not before they told me I was being criminally investigated for assaulting a police officer who claimed I had bitten him.

Taking Kasparov at his word, it would appear as though the Russian government decided to silence more political speech against the silencing of political speech. This is something that can easily spiral out of control, because, while reports are that Russia in general isn't particularly supportive of what Pussy Riot did, they are far more vehemently against how the Russian government responded. As The Economist notes, recent polling shows the Russian people's compartmentalized views:

Although recent polling by the Levada Centre shows that many question the court’s objectivity and see the hand of the Russian Orthodox Church and the Kremlin in the prosecution, fewer are ready to support Pussy Riot: 51% held negative or hostile views toward the group’s actions, another 20% were neutral or indifferent.

Negative views of Pussy Riot or not, when you begin adding more arrests against speech, particularly of high profile people like Garry Kasparov, the Russian government risks losing the advantage of that ambivalence entirely and becoming the chief bad guy in this entire story (if they aren't already). Unfortunately, from Kasparov's viewpoint inside of Russia, not enough has been done diplomatically from The West as of yet.

Such a brazen step should raise alarms, but the leaders of the Free World are clearly capable of sleeping through any wake-up call. A spokesman for the Obama administration called the sentence "disproportionate," as if the length of the prison term were the only problem with open repression of political speech.

If officials at the U.S. State Department are as "seriously concerned" about free speech in Russia as they say, I suggest they drop their opposition to the Magnitsky Act pending in the Senate. That legislation would bring financial and travel sanctions against the functionaries who enact the Kremlin's agenda of repression. Hit them where it hurts and expose them as the thugs that they are. Those who wish to help should pressure their representatives to pass such measures. If you live in a democracy you have a voice. Do not waste it.

Mike has written in reference to the Magnitsky Act before, but I think it goes without saying that if America wants to be a nation that stands on Free Speech principles, it needs to do so consistently, regardless of any touchy diplomatic issues that may be present. There is simply no excuse for the United States not to come out strongly against what has happened to Pussy Riot and Kasparov. As a country founded on Free Speech principles, we are obligated to uphold those values across diplomatic lines.

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pixelpusher220 (profile), 20 Aug 2012 @ 3:04pm

Riiiiiiiight
"if America wants to be a nation that stands on Free Speech principles, it needs to do so consistently"

Well yes that would be logical...now if the last 12 years could be ignored, perhaps we *might* (cough cough) qualify...
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Vog (profile), 20 Aug 2012 @ 3:09pm

You would think a chess grandmaster would know better than to leave himself en prise.
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Anonymous Coward, 20 Aug 2012 @ 3:12pm

So is this ... checkmate?
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silverscarcat (profile), 20 Aug 2012 @ 3:15pm

"There is simply no excuse for the United States not to come out strongly against what has happened to Pussy Riot and Kasparov. As a country founded on Free Speech principles, we are obligated to uphold those values across diplomatic lines."

Except, you know, the whole "war on terror" thing took away many free speech principles.
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Jeremy Silver, 20 Aug 2012 @ 3:47pm

Typo in article...
Should be Madonna, not Modonna.
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Anonymous Coward, 20 Aug 2012 @ 3:59pm

Re: Typo in article...
mo' donna, mo' better.
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Anonymous Coward, 20 Aug 2012 @ 4:01pm

Puitn still shocked and outraged that PUSSY RIOT is not quiet and inoffensive.
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Anonymous Coward, 20 Aug 2012 @ 4:01pm

Re:
*Putin
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Mike Masnick (profile), 20 Aug 2012 @ 4:01pm

Re: Re: Typo in article...
mo' donna, mo' better.

A generous interpretation, which we appreciate... but, yeah, that was a typo. Fixed. Thanks.
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Beech, 20 Aug 2012 @ 4:07pm

Shame
"We had just covered the shameful Russian court ruling that sentenced members of the punk band Pussy Riot to two years in prison over their political music/speech at an Orthodox church. "

Really wish people around here would stop using the word "shameful" to describe things that shameless entities do. Yes, if anyone in the Russian government, or the MPAA, or the RIAA was even remotely capable of the emotion called "shame" then calling things they do "shameful" would make more sense. Also, the world would probably be a better place. But they aren't. Maybe try words like "dickish"

""We had just covered the dickish Russian court ruling that sentenced members of the punk band Pussy Riot to two years in prison over their political music/speech at an Orthodox church. " There, much more sensical!
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Anonymous Coward, 20 Aug 2012 @ 4:51pm

Re:
I remember reading in the slashdot comments that the digital translator didn't do that good of a job (I dunno since I don't speak Russian). Digital translations are still not as good as anthropogenic translations but, just like with chess, maybe one day they will have us beat.
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Anonymous Coward, 20 Aug 2012 @ 5:06pm

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On a side note, I notice that the Spanish to English translations seem to be half decent (still needs improvement obviously) but Google translation still does a poor job translating from English to Spanish and it does an even worse job translating from English to Arabic.
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Anonymous Coward, 20 Aug 2012 @ 6:34pm

I was never in the USA, but... I see peopled banned from games for using the name of the Lord in vain.
Now if this Pussy Riot thing was in the USA, depending where, I think it would be life without parole with the whole nation mumbling about electric chairs. Now stop the propaganda!
There are very few countries that would let that "freedom of speech" pass with a measly 2 years, and the USA certainly is not one them. If Pussy Riot was Arab Punk it would be Guantanamo. at least.
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Watchit (profile), 20 Aug 2012 @ 6:59pm

Dark times indeed for Russia. I pray for a swift end to Putin's rein :[
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Anonymous Coward, 20 Aug 2012 @ 7:01pm

Not Arab punk, exactly -- more Islam punk:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Taqwacores

(zine leads to novel inspires music and action and film)
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Anonymous Coward, 20 Aug 2012 @ 7:15pm

Why is it that the western world only gives 15 minutes of fame to these 10 or more women whose crime at most is simply trespassing? That it takes Garry Kasparov, Madonna, Bj�rk Gu�mundsd�ttir, Paul McCartney, etc to get further attention is truly disrespectful of justice. From what I've read, there is still an active police investigation to arrest the other members of the group, which I'm sure there were some that were not even present at the church. And if you think this is only happening in Russia, you'd be surprised at the events in your own country: http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Pussy-Riot-like-justice-around-the-world-3801672.php
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Anonymous Coward, 20 Aug 2012 @ 7:54pm

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Actually, it's pretty much telling when Madonna gets involved. She's the classic attention whore, more interested in promoting her own brand and awareness by getting in front of the bus. She's pretty much the same model Dan Bull uses, but without the tits.
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Anonymous Coward, 20 Aug 2012 @ 8:37pm

In Mother Russia pussy riots you.
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Wally (profile), 20 Aug 2012 @ 8:43pm

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"There are very few countries that would let that "freedom of speech" pass with a measly 2 years, and the USA certainly is not one them. If Pussy Riot was Arab Punk it would be Guantanamo. at least."

Ummmm. The US has Marilyn Manson (who has retired). We also
allowed The Beatles and Madonna their freedoms of speach. Oh and no arrests were made at Woodstock in 1969, 1994, and 1999. We don't typically send any musicians to jail unless they've actually violated the law.

Pussy Riot's arrest is a huge violation of free speech. I'm sure if the Romanov Dynasty was still in power in Russia, even they would have allowed Pussy Riot to say what they want.
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Wally (profile), 20 Aug 2012 @ 8:49pm

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Putin probably wishes he got his pussy rioted.....he blew his chance =P
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LDoBe (profile), 20 Aug 2012 @ 9:13pm

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That's because Google Translate "uses statistical models" to translate words and sentences from one language to another using datapoints gleaned from webpages. Or at least, that's the official explanation.

If that's true, then it simply doesn't take into account tenses, grammatical rules, or meaning (in any meaningful way (rimshot)).

If a page that is natively arabic also has a link to an english counterpart, google would just do a straight 1:1 word translation, not taking into account any grammatical structure.

That's how you get non-english pages translated into english looking like:

"In case dearth and said orifice no splyzna like, ontological right ovens."
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Pixelation, 20 Aug 2012 @ 9:21pm

Laugh riot
"...if America wants to be a nation that stands on Free Speech principles, it needs to do so consistently, regardless of any touchy diplomatic issues that may be present."

Principles have been pushed out of the system. Candidates with principles get quickly thrown by the wayside. We don't want principles, we want sound bites. Tell us what we want to hear or we will elect someone who will. I truly wish I was kidding...
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Anonymous Coward, 20 Aug 2012 @ 9:40pm

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Give it ten years
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Anonymous Coward, 20 Aug 2012 @ 9:41pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
(if not google translate, some other digital translator will come along that will do a decent job).
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Lawrence D'Oliveiro, 20 Aug 2012 @ 10:56pm

BRIC Countries Are Too Powerful
The trouble is, Russia and China are both too economically important to Europe and the USA to make it easy to antagonize them. Russia is a huge supplier of gas to Europe, and Western voters (myself included) want our cheap and abundant Chinese-made consumer goods.

Consider all the rumblings against North Korea and Iran over their nuclear ambitions, yet India went ahead and actually exploded a nuclear bomb, and it is still very much an ally of the US in particular.

The only one of the BRIC quartet that hasn�t actually started throwing its weight around as yet is Brazil. I wonder if it�s not just a matter of time...
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Niall (profile), 21 Aug 2012 @ 2:19am

Re: Re: Re: Re:
I believe it also uses official translations from sources like the EU - this means it's not bad for stilted or technical language, but it's poor at 'spoken'/written language. I know, because I've used it to proof my wife's translations - when she's doing medical or computer texts, sometimes I have more luck reading the original via Google Translate than her English, since she is doing the traditional 're-casting' that the humanities teach you to do. :)
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Niall (profile), 21 Aug 2012 @ 2:20am

Re: Riiiiiiiight
Who do you think you are, Ecuador? :)
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Niall (profile), 21 Aug 2012 @ 2:21am

Re: BRIC Countries Are Too Powerful
Just wait until 2016 when they will monopolise the world's IP...
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bratwurzt (profile), 21 Aug 2012 @ 2:42am

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But when some woman shows a nipple, nation goes all puritanical... well at least she isn't in jail.
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Anonymous Coward, 21 Aug 2012 @ 3:57am

Re: Re:
*blew his load too early
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Ninja (profile), 21 Aug 2012 @ 4:10am

Re: Laugh riot
That. And with Assange, Richard, the NDAA and many violations against their Constitution their light reaction (call the sentence disproportionate) is actually more than their moral grounds allow them.
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Ninja (profile), 21 Aug 2012 @ 4:12am

Re: BRIC Countries Are Too Powerful
and Western voters (myself included) want our cheap and abundant Chinese-made consumer goods.

I'm running from anything made in Chine. And it is depressingly hard to get products that are not made in some sort of slavery system.
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The eejit (profile), 21 Aug 2012 @ 4:42am

Re:
I guess the police were...

*sunglasses*

en passant with Kasparov.
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Anonymous Coward, 21 Aug 2012 @ 5:20am

Re: Re:
Oh! Marilyn Mason was going around disrupting church services? I don't think so, he was in it for the money, shocking the petty bourgeois, not getting arrested. If the Sex Pistols ever went to Wesminster during service, what would have happened? Oh it's so "freedom of speech!" Personnally I like it, but don't expect kisses and flowers from the pigs. Remember Jim Morrison? and that was not in a church.
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DNY (profile), 21 Aug 2012 @ 5:26am

A thought experiment
Suppose a rock group with the view that the age-long notion of marriage ought not be changed by either courts or religious groups to allow "same sex unions", or some other view disfavored by both Americas' political elites and liberal protestants, barged into the National Cathedral in Washington, uninvited, and performed a raucous prayer, calling on the Virgin Mary to rebuke both the Episcopal Church and the Obama Administration, accompanied by amplified guitars and a confederate who filmed the whole thing to post on YouTube. Anyone care to guess what charges our government would come up with against them and the likely sentence?
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Anonymous Coward, 21 Aug 2012 @ 6:07am

Re: A thought experiment
Trespass ticket.

If anyone got hurt, there'd be additional charges.

The public would be outraged, of course, that such a travesty could be allowed. Obama would be blamed since he supports same-sex unions.

And Congress would have another excuse to keep the Patriot Act, Homeland Security, warrantless wiretapping, etc etc, yada, yada, yada...going.
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Anonymous Coward, 21 Aug 2012 @ 7:36am

Re: Re:
[citation needed]
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Bas Grasmayer (profile), 21 Aug 2012 @ 10:29am

Re: Re:
Ehm, sorry to say, but Pussy Riot did actually violate a law.
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Lawrence D'Oliveiro, 22 Aug 2012 @ 12:21pm

Re: �slavery system�
Not sure what you mean by that. They may be earning lower incomes than you, but their cost of living is lower, too.
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Anonymous Coward, 22 Aug 2012 @ 10:05pm

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Also, one way you can test how well the translator works is by translating something from English to Spanish and then copying the result and translating it back to English and see if anything is lost or if the meaning of the translation changes or becomes incomprehensible. Try taking something and translating it through a circle of languages using copy and paste and then eventually back to the original language and see if the final result meaningfully resembles what was initially entered.
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Anonymous Coward, 22 Aug 2012 @ 10:05pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
(upon doing this, I do find that details do get lost).
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Wally (profile), 22 Aug 2012 @ 11:46pm

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We can blame/thank Justin Timberlake for that incident. Oh and the photo on the Wikipedia article of it looks like shes going to kill him....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XXXVIII_halftime_show_controversy
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Wally (profile), 22 Aug 2012 @ 11:53pm

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They were forgiven by the Russian Orthodox church for it.

"Two top clerics in the Russian Orthodox Church said Saturday that it has forgiven the members of feminist punk band Pussy Riot who were convicted of hooliganism and sent to prison for briefly taking over a cathedral in a raucous prayer for deliverance from Vladimir Putin."

Citation:
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/08/18/pussy-riot-church/

But I still think that is a proponent of free speech.

By the way, I don't blame them. Look at Putin's career.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin
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Wally (profile), 22 Aug 2012 @ 11:56pm

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Something just caught my eye in that.

""Two top clerics in the Russian Orthodox Church said Saturday that it has forgiven the members of feminist punk band Pussy Riot who were convicted of hooliganism and sent to prison for briefly taking over a cathedral in a raucous prayer for deliverance from Vladimir Putin."
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