When The Creators Of Both The Internet And The Web Come Out Against The ITU, Shouldn't You Too?
from the just-saying... dept
We've been talking a lot about the ITU and its WCIT (World Conference on International Telecommunications) lately, given the importance of various proposals on the future of the internet. While Vint Cerf, often considered the "father of the internet" for his early (and continued!) contributions to the core of the internet, has been quite outspoken for many months about the threats of the ITU towards the internet, now we can add the creator of the World Wide Web to the list as well. Tim Berners-Lee has spoken out against the ITU efforts at WCIT.Sir Tim is director of a standards body himself - the World Wide Web Consortium. He said that governments can already influence changes but should resist further interference.When the fathers of both the internet itself and the World Wide Web are both speaking out against the ITU's efforts to have further control over the future of the internet, isn't it time to step back and ask what benefit the ITU would really provide. To date, none has been shown. Instead, we get vague talk about increasing "fairness" by diverting money from innovators to telcos who haven't innovated with the promise that this will lead to greater investment. Yet, the evidence suggests that this doesn't work, and historically, such transfers and subsidies tend to be pocketed by execs (or governments) rather than invested in infrastructure.
"I think it's important that these existing structures continue to be used without any attempt to bypass them," he said.
"These organisations have been around for a number of years and I think it would be a disruptive threat to the stability of the system for people to try to set up alternative organisations to do the standards." Accelerating access
[...] "A lot of concerns I've heard from people have been that, in fact, countries that want to be able to block the internet and give people within their country a 'secure' view of what's out there would use a treaty at the ITU as a mechanism to do that, and force other countries to fall into line with the blockages that they wanted to put in place."
So, here we have two of the most visionary innovators out there -- who created the key platforms we rely on -- highlighting how the ITU process is the exact wrong way to go about things. Combine that with the key argument being made by the ITU being unsupportable based on history. And shouldn't we all be wondering why this big charade is happening in the first place?
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Starting off the with the old "appeal to authority".
Now, I'm against the ITU, but let's look at the implicit basis for your lead question: "two of the most visionary innovators out there" -- Get a grip on your adulation, frat boy. They came WAY late to the computer party, after basic networking hardware and software of OSs and such were done; even Bill Gates at most only compiled a specific version of BASIC from university sources, then was able to buy Seattle DOS and re-name it MS-DOS -- SO, these two have no very great claim to authority, either.
"And shouldn't we all be wondering why this big charade is happening in the first place?"
It's only you who wonder, Mike: I'm sure it's a power grab. Been trying to tell ya, The Rich are taking over everything.
[Charity comment: for Mike after 90 minutes of none, plus for his fanboy-trolls to ad hom it up.]
Don't let internet pioneer Mike "Streisand Effect" Masnick be forgotten on his own blog!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect
Think how we'd all be better off if he'd never made his one quip!
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Re: Starting off the with the old "appeal to authority".
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Will you EVER...
Seriously, you're like a broken record.
But at least those I can throw away.
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Re: Starting off the with the old "appeal to authority".
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Re: Starting off the with the old "appeal to authority".
eg: out_of_the_blue is absolutely and unashamedly an Ignoranus
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yep that's going to be my only Tagline and comment to anything ootb says any more. Anything else is just pandering to his ego by making people argue with him.
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lol U WOT ?
inb4 "but Al Gore invented the Internet"
Never thought, I would have had to post......
inb4 Tim Berners Lee didn't make the first ever Web browser
inb4 Tim Berners Lee didn't make the first ever Web server(CERN httpd)
inb4 Tim Berners Lee didn't EVEN MAKE THE NAME ""World-Wide Web""
I honestly did not comprehend your level of retard out there.
inb4 I am a Mike whiteknighting fanboy
You just went full retard over facts you don't like.
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Re: lol U WOT ?
Paul Baran (1960-1964) (Packet switching technology)
Leonard Kleinrock (1961-1979) (Packet network theory, TCP/IP, hierarchical routing)
Vint Cerf, Robert Kahn (1969-1976) (TCP/IP)
Paul Mochapetris (1983) (DNS)
Tim Berners-Lee (1989-1992) (World Wide Web, HTTP, HTML)
Marc Andreessen and Eric Bina (1992-1995)(Web browsers Mosaic and Netscape Navigator)
Lou Montulli (1994-1995) (Netscape Navigator, HTTP cookies, HTTP proxy)
Allison Mankin and Scott Bradner (1993-1996) (IPv6)
Of course there are more important inventions and I have left out hardware, but it is pretty much where things are at.
If someone asks "who invented the internet?", the answer should therefore be "uhhhh, lots'a people!" or "Duuhhh?"
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lol U WOT ? (me again)
You can't just disregard that.
I never disregarded anyone's contribution. You did.
""If someone asks "who invented the internet?", the answer should therefore be "uhhhh, lots'a people!" or "Duuhhh?"""
Agree, but if someone asks "who invented the www, the web browser, the web server and the type of hyperlinking the internet relies on ?"
Answer = Tim Berners Lee
Of course that doesn't disregard all the invented technologies he relied on.
If anything when you look into it further you learn that without "that pass from the corner, he never would have scored the winning goal".
He did score a winning goal tho.
He could easily have missed it.
No one else may have ever been in the position to score.
You can't disregard that*.
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The only way for the people at the top to acquire more power and influence is for the public to sacrifice some of its own ...by force.
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s their is no real organization to attack, the only other option is to control the communications to prevent this self organization.
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exactly
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e.g.: GNUNet it has its own routing system including its own type of DNS.
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TL;DR: obvious loophole is obvious and already closed.
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Now, I myself don't believe the rich are all up to some evil plot, but the ones who will are able to get that wealth via monopoly.
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UN Regulation Of Internet
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Withdrawn?
I wonder if this was not the result of some sort of under-the-table negotiation, in which the proposal was withdrawn in exchange for some sort of favor.
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Ignoranus
Great word!!
Just one fine detail...
By your own definition, it's a noun (not an adjective, as indicated).
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Thanks will change it for future reference and annoying of ootb , and Ignoranus is quite well known at the Urban Dictionary ;)
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http://www.technollama.co.uk/is-the-un-trying-to-take-over-the-internet-part-ii
Berners -Lee seems to end up playing precisely into this with the quoted part:
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