Ecuador Pulls Ed Snowden's Travel Papers Because Julian Assange Thinks He's In Charge
from the yay,-politics dept
Things keep getting more and more ridiculous concerning the Ed Snowden asylum drama. It's never been fully explained how or why Snowden decided to link up with Wikileaks to get "help" in finding a place to get asylum, but ever since then, Wikileaks has been presenting itself as Snowden's spokesperson, and apparently that's not going over well with some people, including Ecuador, the one country to most prominently express interest in granting Snowden asylum, and the country which granted him travel documents. Except, in large part because of the Wikileaks connection, Ecuador has pulled those papers, in a move that seems to be a combination of petty politics and spite:President Rafael Correa halted an effort to help Snowden leave Russia amid concern Assange was usurping the role of the Ecuadoran government, according to leaked diplomatic correspondence published on Friday.Apparently, some Ecuadorian officials have been urging Ecuador's president to distance himself from Assange, and that the public perception was that Assange was running the show, rather than Ecuador. Of course, I wonder how much of this has to do with other leaks concerning Ecuador's own surveillance efforts as well. Or, perhaps more likely, how much it has to do with threats from the US should Ecuador accommodate Snowden.
Amid signs Quito was cooling with Snowden and irritated with Assange, Correa declared invalid a temporary travel document which could have helped extract Snowden from his reported location in Moscow.
Correa declared that the safe conduct pass issued by Ecuador's London consul – in collaboration with Assange – was unauthorised, after other Ecuadorean diplomats privately said the WikiLeaks founder could be perceived as "running the show".
It does seem likely that even without Ecuadorian travel papers, some country will happily take Snowden. But, in the meantime, it presents yet another complication.
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How the old fairy tale has been turned on it's head.
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If you don't get that, you're really not paying attention.
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Another question which comes up is that Assange was wanting Asylum in Equador as well. This could get very interesting.
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If anyone deserves to be the recipient of a drone strike, it's Assange's big ego.
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Ego=death?
Of course, such comments never mention the important part of the story, which is the police state that's been created in the US in the name of "security". How every American's phone calls are now registered, whether they are suspected of anything or not, whether they're accused of anything or not. That's pretty much the definition of "police state".
No, the comments go after Assange or Snowden for various personality traits, because they're attention hounds, etc. Turn it into a soap opera and maybe nobody will notice the secret courts, deciding the fates of secret defendants, held in secret prison, for breaking secret laws.
It's almost as if the people making the story about Assange and Snowden don't want people to pay attention to the real story.
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screw equador then
stay in russia snowden....
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Oh what a Surprise
Anyone who still believed Ecuador was not doing this FOR ANYTHING BUT THEIR OWN GAINS IS AN IDIOT.
Mark my words !!!!!
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The US can go to hell in their own way, and no one would really shed a tear for them, but it's the way they drag everyone else down with them that will be their eventual demise. After decades, even centuries of constant improvements it's taken so little time for the nutjobs to roll all the advancements back so far that they are becoming indistinguishable from the nations they used to claim superiority to.
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it wont be long until Snowden works out that American IS one of the safest places on earth for true whistle blowers, not many country have as effective whistle blowers laws than the US.
I don't think the US is close to a demise, if anything it continues to get stronger, you appear to have a very effective political and legal system, no nation or Government is perfect, and no Government can be all things to all people, that is simply not possible.
And what was leaked is not even a clear indication of any great illegal doings, it is very debatable that it is illegal, and not at all surprising considering the level of hatred displayed by those who seek to harm the US. It is completely understandable that the US would consider this action "reasonable". Many, many US citizens and politicians DO consider it reasonable, and probably I expect will the Supreme Court.
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If he Snowden has ANY brains
It's the ONLY chance of him possibly leading a 'normal' life some time in the future. If via his lawyer he turned himself in, he would have some bargaining power, if he does not he has NONE.
I believe he is already making noises to that effect, and I would not at all be surprised if he has not already stated that process.
This is certainly a case of the longer you leave it the worse it will get, and now the Assange has injected himself into things, Snowden needs to separate himself from all of that as soon as possible.
Sure, he could well do prison time, so do a lot of other criminals in the US, but unless you are prepared to do the time, don't do the crime.
This entire 'thing' has blown up in his face, clearly it was VERY ill-conceived, and it is clear he 'lost control' about 5 minis after he gave the information to a reporter.
The message failed to have any real impact, it is very questionable that is illegal, (yes, it's good to see it's being challenged in the Supreme Court, but I don't expect it to be found unconstitutional... I,e Green Fields).
But Snowden is simply screwed otherwise, and the longer he stays on the run the worse it will be for him in the long term.
I would expect in the next week or so to see Snowden back on US soil, if not sooner.
I also predict it wont be that long until the front door of the Ecuadorian Embassy swing open and 2 hands push Assange out onto the street into the waiting hands of a UK bobby.
I have travelled all over the world, including much of America and I KNOW (as you probably do) that American IS A GREAT Country, it has a stable and democratic Government who (contrary to opinion here) does it's best to serve the population, sure there are thing you don't like, and corruption (it's everywhere btw), but overall, there are not that many places in the world with a better record.
Snowden is I think now coming to this realization as well.
Snowden was (and is) very immature, and misguided, he is also way out of his depth, because of that he has allowed himself to be manipulated by others for their own gains, and on top of that he is ineffectual. In other words he failed in his primary goal of exposing US Government 'crimes', one, there is little (but some) exposure, but most of that exposure is from those who feel it is unconstitutional, and it is certain not clear that is the case. There appears to be considerable case law indicating it is constitutional.
It is certain NOT the same as the GPS unit put on peoples cars, as that is against the 4th amendment of "effects, papers, persons or property".
Telephone meta-data, is a record created by others, owned and stored by others, that I believe is not covered by your 4th amendment rights.
There is a great deal of data on everyone that you do not see, you never see, you do not own, did not create and do not have in your possession.
Telephone meta-data is one of them, you Google search history is another, the cells your mobile phone talks too is another.
You employers employment and pay records are another, this is data on your that you do not control, own, possess.
These are records not protected under the 4th Amendment.
So it will be easy for the NSA to 'get off the hook', but unless Snowden throws himself at the mercy of the court he's screwed. Time will tell, it's already telling.
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"He expressed concern that his son might have been manipulated by WikiLeaks. "Their focus isn't necessarily the Constitution of the United States," he said. "It's simply to release as much information as possible."
From cnn.com
Fuck WikiLeaks. Pops got it right.
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My guess is that, having announced they are no longer going to chase Snowden from country to country, the Americans have decided they are going to use other tactics to see he gets 'American Justice'.
I would suggest that the Americans are indirectly influencing Correa by planting whispers in his government that are aimed squarely at his ego.
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No he's actually more a psychopath than an egoist, or egotist.
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Psychopath
Grandiose sense of self-worth
Pathological lying
Cunning/manipulative
Lack of remorse or guilt
Emotionally shallow
Callous/lack of empathy
Failure to accept responsibility for own actions
Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom
Parasitic lifestyle
Lack of realistic, long-term goals
Impulsiveness
Irresponsibility
Poor behavioral controls
Early behavioral problems
Juvenile delinquency
Revocation of conditional release
Criminal versatility
Many short-term marital relationships
Promiscuous sexual behavior
Lets play matchup with Assange, you too can determine if he is a Phychopath, try it on Snowden while you are at it.
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Strangers could really easily tick lots of boxes for Assange or Snowden, after all they know very little about them but what put them in the public eye, but if ticking boxes about someone you don't personally like means anything to you at all then have others do it about people you admire and, what a surprise, you'll find almost anyone who enters the public eye will get plenty of boxes ticked, even those who do so unwillingly.
Guess what else, if you read out that list to people and asked them what country it reminded them of, they'd say the US.
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Seems spot on.
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Correa tweets Univision lied
Univisi�n miente sobre el caso Snowden y el falso salvoconducto. Les damos hasta el lunes a que lo demuestren. Presidente #Correa #Enlace328 (https://twitter.com/Presidencia_Ec/status/351033641062760448)
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