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1. 

   Anonymous Coward, 24 Jul 2013 @ 6:12pm

   
   

   "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support the Constitution of the United States."
   
   A little over half, of congress, does not believe in the Constitution they too an oath to uphold. That's nice...
   
   We have 217 traitors in our midst.

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   Anonymous Coward, 24 Jul 2013 @ 6:12pm

   
   

   So what now? Are we going to get another opportunity or was this THE vote that made or break any chance of the NSA to finally be reigned in?

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   Anonymous Coward, 24 Jul 2013 @ 6:14pm

   
   

   I'm still angry I was hung up on when I tried to call up my rep. Apparently after talking with some people, I wasn't the only one.
   
   Oh what a surprise, he voted "no".

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   Charles (profile), 24 Jul 2013 @ 6:14pm

   
   

   Head hung in shame

   Sadly, as posted in Amash thread, my rep, Jeb Hensarling, (R, TX), voted no.
   
   Up to me now to do something about it.

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   silverscarcat (profile), 24 Jul 2013 @ 6:17pm

   
   

   Re:

   well, mid-term elections are only a year away, write this down and save it and remember that your rep voted against America.
   
   When it comes time for him to go for re-election, make sure to plaster this info everywhere that your rep is anti-American and votes to take away freedoms and liberties.

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   Mike Masnick (profile), 24 Jul 2013 @ 6:18pm

   
   

   Re:

   So what now? Are we going to get another opportunity or was this THE vote that made or break any chance of the NSA to finally be reigned in?
   
   Yes, there will be more opportunities. Almost certainly. If this had flopped massively, then Congress probably wouldn't take it up again, but with such a close vote... it's going to come back, perhaps in an even better form.

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   Anonymous Coward, 24 Jul 2013 @ 6:23pm

   
   

   Re: Head hung in shame

   Yep, mine too. Tiberi (R, OH).
   
   Already sent an email expressing disgust.
   
   As corrupt as these people are, I'm not at all surprised.

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   Binko Barnes (profile), 24 Jul 2013 @ 6:40pm

   
   

   The simple truth is that every Congress-person who voted no has committed treason. The oath of office for Congress is to Defend the Constitution. Not defend the government, not defend the executive branch, not defend the military and most definitely not defend their campaign contributor's interests.
   
   I think a lot of these assholes will be very surprised to find that this is a very hot button issue for vast numbers of Americans. Hot enough to get a lot of them voted out of office next time around.

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   Ben (profile), 24 Jul 2013 @ 6:44pm

   
   

   1 out of 3

   Only one out of the three Bishops in congress voted Yea. Sigh. Now I have to go looking into changing my last name.
   
   At least my rep (Tierney) voted Yea.
   
   I wonder if the non-voters were abstentions or not present. With Markey now a Senator, Massachusetts is absent a representative for a while (I do wish the list had the state for each of the reps instead of just the duplicates -- I'm somewhat embarrassed to say I don't know the names of our entire [Massachusetts] delegation).

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    Joseph Ratliff (profile), 24 Jul 2013 @ 6:56pm

    
    

    4 from WA State...

    Sad, I'm a WA State citizen... and four reps that I can count voted NO.
    
    It's a sad day in the Northwest. Time to make some phone calls.

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    Anonymous Coward, 24 Jul 2013 @ 6:58pm

    
    

    Re:

    While you are right the NSA just flagged you as a domestic terrorist.
    
    People won't give a shit about this come election time, they will be quite happy texting with their Obama phone while watching cable TV sitting in their government subsidized home eating steak they purchased with welfare benefits and remembering to not bite the hand that feeds them.

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    Jason, 24 Jul 2013 @ 6:59pm

    
    

    Thanks

    Thanks for posting this. I was on my way to look for the list of votes after I read the news, but thought I'd check here first in case there were any helpful links. I've always found the search features for bills, votes, etc., to be exceptionally non-obvious. (Or maybe I just don't think the way Congress thinks!) Having a list right here for me to browse was a big time saver, so thank you.
    
    (And I'm even more pleased to say that my representative is listed in the "Ayes" table.)

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    Ben (profile), 24 Jul 2013 @ 7:03pm

    
    

    Re: Treason?

    The simple truth is that every Congress-person who voted no has committed treason.

    Unfortunately, No. Article III, Section 3:

    Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.

    And the action of voting No does not rise to that level (nor does Bradley Manning's for that matter; *or* Mr Snowden). And since it isn't treason, they are therefore protected by Article I, Section 6:

    They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.

    But yes, their oath is to the Constitution; I wish they would pay attention to that a bit more.

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    richard bittner, 24 Jul 2013 @ 7:06pm

    
    

    PRISM

    Any question regarding the domestic use of the PRISM was rendered moot upon it's disclosure. Realistically, the utility that remains is to spy pn the American People. I am a live long Progressive who see 225 names that need to be removed from office for pissxxg in the face of the American. I'll be moving to Pulosi's district soon and will work to elect anyone who opposes her so long as they vow to destroy the domestic use of PRISM. To day is just the begin of the fight not the end. It's the beginning of the END of 225 political careers

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    Steve851, 24 Jul 2013 @ 7:07pm

    
    

    The entire GOP leadership abandoned us and it must go. Every single GOP Congressman who vote no should be primaried.

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    silverscarcat (profile), 24 Jul 2013 @ 7:08pm

    
    

    Re: 1 out of 3

    Well, if you have multiple delegates in Washington, it's just best to know the one that represents you, not the others.
    
    Give your rep a call tomorrow and let him/her know that you're thankful that they supported the 4th amendment.

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    Anonymous Coward, 24 Jul 2013 @ 7:17pm

    
    

    Re: Re:

    So, what is the NSA going to do about it? Set him up with child porn?
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYVvuDRstDw&feature=c4-overview&list=UUEHsSWvrGVSIA 63OV3J6vhA

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    Anonymous Coward, 24 Jul 2013 @ 7:21pm

    
    

    Not sure what I can do about this, but I called my reps office and told them to go fuck themselves and nobody in my family will be sending votes their way anymore.
    
    It really pisses me off that people I voted for has just betrayed everything this nation was fucking founded on...

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    Anonymous Coward, 24 Jul 2013 @ 7:21pm

    
    

    congress is getting really good at these symbolic votes that have no real substance or meaning...
    
    not that we should be surprised considering they willfully abdicated most of their power and responsibility to the executive branch, the federal reserve bank, the DHS, the UN and the banksters who pay for their seat at the table and promise them fat private paychecks once their time feeding at the public trough is up.
    
    still though it would have been funny if somebody screwed up the voting assignments and this thing had actually passed by accident, just watching the shit storm that followed as they tried to figure out who screwed up and how to correct the "mistake" would have been worth the price of admission.

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    richard bittner, 24 Jul 2013 @ 7:29pm

    
    

    Re: PRISM

    I only have an android phone and it is impossible to edit with these things. So please excuse the obvious errors in my post. This is a defining moment in American history, like the Civil war... either WE THE PEOPLE destroy PRISM or forfeit our Rights to the terrorists or we draw the line in the sand and fight these pseudo Americans. We defeated the most evil force ever to haunt the history books during WWII without resort to torture,secret courts or prisons. I have not forgotten 9/11 OR Richard M. Nixon, J. Edgar Hoover, henry kissenger and James Jesus Angleton. Apparently Mr Rogers knowledge of history only begins with 9/11. Godspeed to Edward Snowden. WE THE PEOPLE must UNITE and create a government that will allow Edward Snowden to return without any retribution.

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    Watchit (profile), 24 Jul 2013 @ 7:30pm

    
    

    dammit, my rep is actually making me LIKE him! Way to go Grayson! :D

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    Travicane, 24 Jul 2013 @ 7:30pm

    
    

    NH (my state) spit:
    
    Against: Annie Kuster, who seems to always kowtow to the administration. Will likely get her more party money come the election, but will cost her with the NH voters (do not like toadies).
    
    For: Carol Shae-Porter. Appears to vote with her conscience, and the wishes of those who elected her, not just someone who simply bends to party orders. May cost her party money, but she will win her next election.

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    Designerfx (profile), 24 Jul 2013 @ 7:36pm

    
    

    schakowsky doesn't do anything

    not only does schakowsky not understand technology, she relies on her staffers for everything she does.
    
    either she supports the NSA outright (her letters are typical "can't let the terrorists win"), or she simply doesn't even understand the issue at hand.
    
    either way, I hope people realize the woman shouldn't even be in office.

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    richard bittner, 24 Jul 2013 @ 7:42pm

    
    

    Response to: Anonymous Coward on Jul 24th, 2013 @ 7:21pm

    Right on about these "close votes". Be(a)ware of judas goats. I don't give a damn where anyone's at on the political spectrum, this is a vote where people reveal their true selves politcally..where's Mr Smith goes to Washington....I'd a love to see a 72 hour plus filibuster.

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    Anonymous Coward, 24 Jul 2013 @ 8:06pm

    
    

    Re: Re:

    techdirt now seems to have an https option. Maybe it was added because of what's been going on with the NSA :) Now the NSA would have a tougher time tracing your comments back to you if https was used. Though they could still use timing factors I suppose. Or they could just flag you for simply visiting the website.
    
    (In all seriousness I doubt the NSA is tracing his comment back to him even if they could.)

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    [citation needed or GTFO], 24 Jul 2013 @ 8:26pm

    
    

    Re: Re:

    Yes, there will be more opportunities. Almost certainly. If this had flopped massively, then Congress probably wouldn't take it up again, but with such a close vote... it's going to come back, perhaps in an even better form.
    
    I would be inclined to agree, but since the Pompeo/Nugent amendment went through, wouldn't the majority of Congress believe that the red herring amendment was all that was needed to stop the NSA and they no longer have to worry about the issue because that's what the amendment promised?

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    aerilus, 24 Jul 2013 @ 8:31pm

    
    

    Wonderful my rep didn't even vote.

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    Anonymous Coward, 24 Jul 2013 @ 8:36pm

    
    

    Re: Re: Re:

    Seeing as how the Nugent amendment went through BEFORE the Amash amendment was voted on - I think the fact that nearly half of congress *also* voted for amash's amendment shows that they care.
    
    Also, interesting to see Nugent voted Aye on Amash's amendment as well...
    
    I'm glad to see my rep (LaMalfa) voted Aye on both - that suggests he is interested in defunding NSA. I'll have to send him a supportive email.

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    Ash, 24 Jul 2013 @ 8:52pm

    
    

    Colorado reps

    Interestingly, every current Colorado representative voted with Amash. They are in tune with CO politics to some degree.

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    Thank or Spank, 24 Jul 2013 @ 8:55pm

    
    

    Re: Head hung in shame

    Call your representative to "thank or spank" afterward. In this case, give him a good spanking for that terrible vote. This WILL come up again!

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    Grayson is really good, 24 Jul 2013 @ 9:09pm

    
    

    Re: Liking him

    You lucked out - Grayson is one of the very best Reps, along with Ron Wyden.

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    Anonymous Coward, 24 Jul 2013 @ 9:15pm

    
    

    Remember, if your representative voted for the amendment, give them a call/email to thanks them and urge them to continue pressing for the end of NSA spying on Americans. Giving them feedback when they're doing the right thing on an issue is almost important as complaining to them when they're doing the wrong thing.

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    Ashamed Conservative Iowan, 24 Jul 2013 @ 9:40pm

    
    

    Of course, my two Republican reps voted against the amendment. It's a sad day indeed. Happily, in the end my two Democrat reps voted in favor of it, so it evened out.

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    Anonymous Coward, 24 Jul 2013 @ 9:55pm

    
    

    "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support the Constitution of the United States."
    
    This wasn't optional when you were elected. If you disagree then you can no longer serve.
    
    There are at least 217 who deserve impeachment for violating their oath of office.
    
    No question about it.

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    Anonymous Coward, 24 Jul 2013 @ 9:56pm

    
    

    Re: Re:

    I was actually very surprised the bill made it as close as it did to passing.

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    AC Unknown (profile), 24 Jul 2013 @ 9:59pm

    
    

    Re: Re: Head hung in shame

    Same with two from my state.

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    R.H. (profile), 24 Jul 2013 @ 10:05pm

    
    

    I'm liking my new Rep ^_^

    Well, my representative [Dan Kildee (D-MI)] voted yea so I'm happy and will be sending a supportive e-mail. It's too bad that Michigan's delegation split though. With both Amash, a Republican, and Conyers, a Democrat, both from Michigan and both sponsoring this amendment I would have thought that my states delegation would have been all over this one.

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    Mike Masnick (profile), 24 Jul 2013 @ 10:52pm

    
    

    Re: PRISM

    Any question regarding the domestic use of the PRISM was rendered moot upon it's disclosure. Realistically, the utility that remains is to spy pn the American People. I am a live long Progressive who see 225 names that need to be removed from office for pissxxg in the face of the American. I'll be moving to Pulosi's district soon and will work to elect anyone who opposes her so long as they vow to destroy the domestic use of PRISM. To day is just the begin of the fight not the end. It's the beginning of the END of 225 political careers
    
    Er... it's worth pointing out that the above amendment had NOTHING to do with PRISM. This was about a different program, the Section 215 "business records" collection. The PRISM stuff is different, part of Section 702 of FISA and not nearly as bad as people have made it out to be (though it does have some problems).
    
    It's a little frustrating that people are lumping everything under PRISM when that's not the really bad program

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    Mike Masnick (profile), 24 Jul 2013 @ 11:03pm

    
    

    Re: I'm liking my new Rep ^_^

    Mike Rogers, also from Michigan, is the leading supporter of the program...

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    Seymour, 24 Jul 2013 @ 11:04pm

    
    

    Only One MA Rep Got it Right

    I'm ashamed that only ONE of the representatives from Massachusetts (Kennedy) voted for the amendment. All the others, who all CLAIM to be champions of the Constitution, voted like Sheeple to support the administration.

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41. 

    Anonymous Coward, 24 Jul 2013 @ 11:09pm

    
    

    [Meta] Stale cache somewhere

    I'm not seeing any new content at your site for the last 8 hours, even though it's the middle of the week. There should be three or four articles since last evening's Daily Dirt, but I only see one.
    
    There must be a stale cache somewhere that's not recognizing that the site's front page has changed in that time, and I'm pretty sure it's not my browser's. It's probably part of your hosting/load-balancing setup. Please fix ASAP.

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    truevoiceman, 24 Jul 2013 @ 11:09pm

    
    

    Traitors not Representatives of the People

    217 traitors to the Rights they Swore to uphold. Liars every one. I say impeach them for breaking their oath!

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    mike d (profile), 24 Jul 2013 @ 11:20pm

    
    

    Re: Thanks

    This.
    
    My rep said yes. I am calling to say thank you.

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    Anonymous Coward, 24 Jul 2013 @ 11:24pm

    
    

    And here I thought when voting for Issa, that getting a tech savvy guy in congress would be a good thing...

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    Kal Zekdor (profile), 24 Jul 2013 @ 11:59pm

    
    

    Rabble! Rabble rabble!

    Both Patrick Meehan (R PA, Dis7) and Allyson Schwartz (D PA, Dis 13) voted no :-/. My house is right on the border of those two districts, so I'm never sure which one of them is my rep, but I guess it doesn't matter much.
    
    Time to yell at both of them.

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    Kal Zekdor (profile), 25 Jul 2013 @ 12:04am

    
    

    Re: Rabble! Rabble rabble!

    Sidenote: I just looked up the PA's 7th district on a map. It's shape is insane. Gerrymandering, anybody? I can count at least 4 spots where major sections of the district are connected by areas no longer than a city block.

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    varagix, 25 Jul 2013 @ 1:35am

    
    

    Re: Only One MA Rep Got it Right

    Similarly, only 2 Hoosier Reps got it right, 1 didn't vote, and the other 6, including the two from the district I and the rest of my family live in, all sided with the NSA on this. So disappointed in this...

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    Ashamed Washington State Citizen, 25 Jul 2013 @ 1:36am

    
    

    Disgust

    My rep. voted nay on the amendment so he is going to get harsh email as well as an earful on the phone about what it truly means to serve in the office I elected him to. His failure to comply has resulted in him losing my vote and as such he will be joining the rest of the U.S. population in the unemployment lines come mid-terms.

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    Its all just an illusion, 25 Jul 2013 @ 2:30am

    
    

    Traitors every last one

    don't fool yourselves, their all in on it together, you think they didn't know we are all being spied upon, the 12 who didn't vote would have been enough to change the vote count, all agreed upon in advance check to see who will be up for re-election soon those are the "AYES" check their vote on the PATRIOT ACT and NDAA and how they voted on other bills online

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50. 

    Not an Electronic Rodent (profile), 25 Jul 2013 @ 2:37am

    
    

    Re: Re: Treason?

    And the action of voting No does not rise to that level

    I guess that depends how one defines "giving aid and comfort to enemies"... Doesn't the oath include something about "enemies foreign and domestic"?
    
    It could be argued that such a vast affront to the constitution makes the NSA a domestic enemy and as such the representatives are "giving aid and comfort to the enemy"...

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    Anonymous Coward, 25 Jul 2013 @ 3:57am

    
    

    For those of us with representatives who voted no, we should all print out a copy of the Constitution and mail it to our representative.

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52. 

    Anonymous Coward, 25 Jul 2013 @ 3:58am

    
    

    Re:

    Or specifically, the relevant parts.

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    The Real Michael, 25 Jul 2013 @ 4:07am

    
    

    Re: Re: Re: Treason?

    Yes, their primary duty is to uphold Constitutional law, something which 217 of them just violated. It is difficult to understand how these elected officials can undermine the high law of the land with a straight face. Our freedoms are being threatened -- that alone should constitute treachery.

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    Anonymous Coward, 25 Jul 2013 @ 4:08am

    
    

    print out and keep the lists, people. you have it in black and white which of 'your senators' want to let all law enforcement agencies look at every aspect of our lives. vote accordingly, when the time comes and spare no quarter!!

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    The Real Michael, 25 Jul 2013 @ 4:12am

    
    

    Re: Re: PRISM

    The NSA may be the source of most of the violations of the Constitution/privacy but the real root of the problem lies in Washington D.C. After all, who was it that created and funded this monster?

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56. 

    boomslang, 25 Jul 2013 @ 4:42am

    
    

    This was a great opportunity for congress to potentially reach the (previously thought unobtainable) 15% approval rating. I guess it is unobtainable after all. While the Administration will likely view this as a victory, in the end, it will lead to more encrypted peer-to-peer communication, which goes against what the administration wants.
    
    On that note, it feels to me that the few people who make decisions at the agency have no idea how computers or networks work, so they go overboard in requesting everything. The high ranking decision makers are probably the type of people who run screaming from a room when they hear "computer virus" because they're afraid of getting sick. It's not surprising that they didn't foresee whatever consequences that may follow.

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    Anonymous Coward, 25 Jul 2013 @ 4:47am

    
    

    Re: Only One MA Rep Got it Right

    Unless I'm reading it wrong, Kennedy voted AGAINST the amendment (he shows up in the list of 217). The other MA reps voted FOR it.
    
    So really, you should be happy that all but 1 of our reps got it right.
    
    Also, can we please put the idea that one party is for small government? There's a reason the majority of Republicans and a large sum of Democrats voted against the amendment, and its not their love of small government.

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58. 

    silverscarcat (profile), 25 Jul 2013 @ 5:23am

    
    

    Re: Re: Liking him

    Wyden's a Senator, not a rep. ;p

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    silverscarcat (profile), 25 Jul 2013 @ 5:25am

    
    

    Re: Rabble! Rabble rabble!

    My house is right on the border of those two districts,
    
    So, which side of the house do you sleep in?
    
    If it's closer to Dis 7, then Meehan is your rep, if it's Dis 13, then Schwartz is your rep.
    
    That's how I would look at it at least.

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    StudentPartyRiot, 25 Jul 2013 @ 5:27am

    
    

    Re: Re: Rabble! Rabble rabble!

    Check out the gerrymandering for my district. Keep in mind that I live in Austin:
    
    http://www.mccaul.house.gov/map/
    
    WTF!

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    silverscarcat (profile), 25 Jul 2013 @ 5:27am

    
    

    Re:

    Not Senators, members of the House of Representatives.
    
    The Senators are 2 for every state.
    
    Members of the House are put there based on the relative population of the state they're from.

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62. 

    pixelpusher220 (profile), 25 Jul 2013 @ 5:54am

    
    

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Treason?

    "If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." - James Madison
    
    or
    
    "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

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    Sychodelix (profile), 25 Jul 2013 @ 5:59am

    
    

    Two of my reps voted yes, so that's good.
    
    The rest should be publicly hung for treason.

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    pixelpusher220 (profile), 25 Jul 2013 @ 6:02am

    
    

    Re: Re:

    "of the state they're from."
    
    Well, the state from which they were elected anyway ;-)

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65. 

    Anonymous Coward, 25 Jul 2013 @ 6:26am

    
    

    Re:

    They are too big to jail,
    only little people go to jail.
    (unless an example needs to be made)

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66. 

    anonymouse, 25 Jul 2013 @ 6:32am

    
    

    Re: Thanks

    I can happily say that this list and the explanation of who the real treasonous reps are has been spread far and wide, i have now seen this list four times on different sites without looking for it. Amazing, and i think those that voted no are going to regret there vote if they do not regret it already, what with the list being posted everywhere and everyone talking about it online.

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67. 

    Anonymous Coward, 25 Jul 2013 @ 6:35am

    
    

    Re: Re:

    "happy texting with their Obama phone while watching cable TV sitting in their government subsidized home eating steak they purchased with welfare benefits and remembering to not bite the hand that feeds them."
    
    You forgot the part about regurgitating the stereotypical narrative of their selected party which is spoon fed to them via the idiot box which hypnotizes its viewers into zombie zealots.

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68. 

    Anonymous Coward, 25 Jul 2013 @ 6:39am

    
    

    Re: Re: Treason?

    It is interesting that a person who releases classified information may or may not be charged with treason simply based upon who they are and why they did it.

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69. 

    Misty, 25 Jul 2013 @ 6:52am

    
    

    The vote

    Does anyone know if the people who voted not to keep this are all up for election this time?

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70. 

    dennis deems (profile), 25 Jul 2013 @ 7:03am

    
    

    Re: Re: Liking him

    Agreed, Grayson is one of my heroes.

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71. 

    Anonymous Coward, 25 Jul 2013 @ 7:13am

    
    

    It's time for all of us (Americans anyway) to contact, enmass, our elected state legislatures and call on them to follow the proper procedures to call for a new constitutional convention as outlined in the constitution in order to put new limitations in place to shut down this massive invasion of privacy at once.

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72. 

    Anonymous Coward, 25 Jul 2013 @ 9:30am

    
    

    Re: Colorado reps

    Yep, happy Denverite over here.

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    Anonymous Coward, 25 Jul 2013 @ 9:31am

    
    

    Re: The vote

    Does anyone know if the people who voted not to keep this are all up for election this time?
    
    Yes we do. The term for each member of the House of Representative is two years. This means all 435 congressmen (and women) are up for reelection next year in 2014.
    
    Also useful to know would be the Senate. The term there is six years, but reelections are staggered so that every two years, about one-third of the senators are up for reelection. There are two senators in each state and even their reelection dates are also staggered.
    
    Senator Wyden of Oregan is a three-term Senator (technically 3+) having been elected to full six-year terms in 1998, 2004 and 2010. His next reelection will be in 2016.
    
    One other thing to know would be the Primary and General elections. The Primary election is where the political party ask its members who should be nominated. The winner of this election goes on to the General election-- which determines who is elected to that office.
    
    To answer your question, all of the Representatives who voted for and against this amendment to a bill are up for reelection. Vote according to your values and conscience. If needed, don't forget about the primary election.

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74. 

    RyanNerd (profile), 25 Jul 2013 @ 9:31am

    
    

    Remember to be thankful if you were represented according to your values

    I emailed my Rep. Chris Stewart and thanked him for voting for the amendment, and explained why I was concerned. I've emailed my friends that live where I do and asked them to do the same and to email their friends.

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75. 

    John Fenderson (profile), 25 Jul 2013 @ 9:46am

    
    

    Re: Re: Re: Treason?

    I guess that depends how one defines "giving aid and comfort to enemies"

    
    
    No, it really depends on how the Constitution defines those things. Voting, even for despicable laws, does not qualify.

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76. 

    John Fenderson (profile), 25 Jul 2013 @ 9:47am

    
    

    Re: Re: Re: Treason?

    Nobody who has release classified information has been charged with treason.

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77. 

    Anonymous Coward, 25 Jul 2013 @ 10:14am

    
    

    Disgrace. The Big Brother is in control.

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78. 

    Anonymous Coward, 25 Jul 2013 @ 11:36am

    
    

    Keep the 205......get rid of the rest

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79. 

    Bob, 25 Jul 2013 @ 12:53pm

    
    

    Re:

    Same here. I sent mine a letter asking why he thought this wasn't an important enough issue to vote on. Of course, my Congressman is Lou Barletta of the "Let's close down Hazelton to anyone who wasn't born in 'Merica!" fame, and I'm positive he would have voted to keep it funded anyway.

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80. 

    That One Guy (profile), 25 Jul 2013 @ 1:01pm

    
    

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Treason?

    Yet.

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81. 

    Not an Electronic Rodent (profile), 25 Jul 2013 @ 4:05pm

    
    

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Treason?

    No, it really depends on how the Constitution defines those things.

    Then presumably an enemy of the constitution would be an enemy as defined by the constitution?
    
    That's the point I was trying to make... Having watched many films I know the military oath swears to defend "the constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic", does not the congressional oath have a similar line?
    
    As for the constitution defining those things, the US government seems to have a "secret interpretation" of that too - just ask Mr Snowden...

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82. 

    - bill, 25 Jul 2013 @ 5:27pm

    
    

    Re: Annie and Carol

    Annie may just be settling into her job, just as Carol was in 2007 when she broke her explicit pledge to vote against any war funding bill that lacked a specific timetable for withdrawal a mere two months after taking office (at the behest of Nancy Pelosi, of course).
    
    Given that Carol never managed in her first 4 years in office (nor since regaining it) to become a co-sponsor of HR676 despite claiming throughout that period that she supported Medicare for all I'm not sure how much credit we can give her for the Amash vote - she may just have had enough seniority by now that Annie was selected to bear the brunt of any progressive backlash as one of those required to vote against the measure to ensure that it would not pass (there's a lot of such back-room dealing in such matters, just as occurred with the CPC who unanimously reneged on their written pledges to oppose any health-care bill that lacked a strong 'public option' when their votes were needed to pass Obamacare - even Dennis Kucinich caved eventually, though it took a ride on Air Force One to bring him around, and it would not surprise me if that's why he failed to get renominated and reelected after redistricting).

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83. 

    Jake, 25 Jul 2013 @ 8:15pm

    
    

    Abe Lincoln qoute

    Well, now we know who not to vote for.
    "We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution."
    -Abraham Lincoln

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84. 

    John Fenderson (profile), 26 Jul 2013 @ 11:19am

    
    

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Treason?

    Then presumably an enemy of the constitution would be an enemy as defined by the constitution?

    
    
    No, an "enemy" is someone engaging in armed aggression against the US.

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85. 

    PB, 26 Jul 2013 @ 12:19pm

    
    

    Identify by state, district

    I realize the original government source doesn't include this, but I think that when publishing such lists/reporting, it would be useful to attach the related states and districts to all of the names.
    
    At a glance, we can see not only how our own representative voted, but how others in our state did as well as how other states came down on the vote.

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87. 

    dannyyoung@live.ca, 16 Sep 2013 @ 3:11pm

    
    

    no secrets

    my god ever since movie THE CONVERSATION some 40 years ago the art of eavesdropping got better wow there are no secrets anymore.....no more privacy so lets joinj haands and tell sad stories.... you know it only takes $1000 canadian to launch a small satellite in space today the trick is getting lox liquid oxygen and making sure your vector is true to desired orbit so now we got drones doing our dirty work and i agree with george noory some day these drones will connect with a 767 commercial no highway in sky kids....

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88. 

    john, 8 Feb 2014 @ 7:13am

    
    

    Response to: Binko Barnes on Jul 24th, 2013 @ 6:40pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnkdfFAqsHA&feature=youtube_gdata_player

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89. 

    john, 8 Feb 2014 @ 8:16am

    
    

    Response to: Anonymous Coward on Jul 24th, 2013 @ 6:12pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnkdfFAqsHA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
    
    There are more traitors than 217.......
    It starts with the Bohemian secret club...look it up....we have bigger problems yet to be discovered.
    
    Then the Federal Reserve....how it came about and Wall Street and the Bankers.
    
    Can anyone say legalized criminals??
    
    Our beautiful country and what it always stood for.......we are hated more than ever because of our illegal bombings ....forced democracy....envolvement in other countries personal affairs.
    
    We needed to stay in OUR borders and keep jobs here in America!
    China is not even an ally, yet our citizens of America are sold out, now if that is not treasonous. Re- Corporate control of the laws that govern our land of "we the people" for whos interest?? Not ours!!
    
    Secret dealings with countries that violate human rights. Our ancestors fought for this country "Our Country"...not for China or Bangladesh or Vietnam. Every piece of clothing, shoes, housewares, auto parts, steel ..you name it is from another country...... We want to know the names of Congress / Representatives that voted and allowed this and the names of the Corporate businesses....this is where the "Root" of the
    American job loss is.
    No jobs = no revenue=no growth=a nation of consumers that has come full circle. As Walmart drove down the streets of America and pointed to businesses as they passed by and said: they will be out of business, this one out of business and that one out of business as they were pointing to mom and pop stores owned by American families.
    I am sorry for going off subject......it is just so much more and deeper problems we face as "American citizens" by secret agreements that hurt all of us as a country. It would be very interesting if there was a Snowden type whistle blower on these special interest groups.........who knows....maybe it may come about from a person with a conscience.

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