Right Before Snowden Leaks, President Obama Fired Nearly All Members On Key Intelligence Advisory Board
from the this-is-where-we-were-headed-all-along? dept
Remember last week's press conference, where President Obama insisted that he had already kicked off the process of a major review of the way we do intelligence and surveillance in this country -- and about how he was going to set up an "outside" review group to look all this over? The same review group that will be set up by and report to James Clapper (but, the White House assures us, not run by him)?Right, so a few people pointed out that President Obama already has an independent group that's supposed to do that thing: called the President's Intelligence Advisory Board (PIAB). There's just one tiny, tiny problem in all of this. It now appears that, back in May, just before all the Snowden stuff started coming out, it appears that the administration basically kicked nearly everyone off of the PIAB board. It went from 14 members down to just four. And those members were basically asked to leave:
“They kicked me off,” said former Rep. Lee Hamilton (D-Ind.). “I was on it a long time under Bush and under Obama. They wanted to make some changes.”Hamilton's ouster is particularly interesting, given that just a month ago, he wrote an oped piece about how the NSA's surveillance efforts have gone too far. Seems like he'd be handy to have on this committee reviewing the NSA surveillance, no? So, forgive us for, once again, finding it difficult (or laughable) to believe President Obama's claims that he had a serious revamp of the NSA's surveillance activity in his priorities before the Snowden leaks happened. It seems clear that things were going in the other direction: ramping up the spying, while cutting back on the oversight and review.
“I don’t know anything about whether they’ve brought in new members. They thanked me and that’s about all I know,” added Hamilton, widely known for his service as vice chairman of the 9/11 Commission.
[....] Philip Zelikow, who served as executive director of the 9/11 Commission and later as a top aide to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, was also asked recently to step off the PIAB.
“I’ve resigned from the Board, one of ten of the fourteen earlier members who have done so,” Zelikow said via email. “Four of the earlier members have remained, pending a reconstitution of the Board at some point for the balance of the President’s second term. The White House website displays the current situation, pending that.”
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Filed Under: barack obama, lee hamilton, nsa surveillance, oversight, philip zelikow, piab, president's intelligence advisory board, review, surveillance
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Response to: Coogan on Aug 16th, 2013 @ 11:03am
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Impeachment
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oversight? Pfft...
/s
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Lost
IMHO, he really really really wants us to believe that the government is good. Its just to bad he has to hide all these not so nice things about it from us.
But we should trust it anyway, right? right?
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Re: Lost
Like "Not the Affordable Care Act" etc ...
in cases like "We are not spying on the American public" just remove the "not"
It is as simple as that.
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This administration, which campaigned on transparency, is the most opaque we've had in a long time. They hate whistle blowers and anyone who goes against their surveillance state.
Even if it's true that this is the cost of being safer, I don't WANT to pay that cost. I'd rather take the risk of being unsafe and have my privacy. The tiny threat of terrorism isn't worth the potential abuse these programs constitute. They're already being abused by other government agencies like the IRS and DEA.
I'm not afraid of terrorists, stop using that as an excuse to make me "safer" by making me less free.
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By extension they would've continued to obfuscate their actions from the public. Had it not been for Snowden, most anything said about government surveillance would've fallen in the realm of "crazy, tinfoil hat-wearing conspiracy theory" speculation.
Truth is stranger than fiction ...and more dangerous.
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Consistent with "leaks" being limited hangout psyop.
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Re: Consistent with "leaks" being limited hangout psyop.
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You're missing the bigger picture
It's General Alexander who ultimately decides what activity is logged.... and what activity is not logged.
So you're looking at the reports into the logs and missing the simple fact, that the most heinous violations won't be in that log file. They won't even have been logged at all.
You sack 90% of your sysadmins not to protect the Snowden dataset, you sack them to stop them spying on non-logged queries from senior NSA.
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This constant trickle of new data coming out every day now that it is public knowledge on all this spying has shown one thing. This administration is up to it's eyeballs in hiding what is really going on and with good reason.
The prediction that Senator Wyden made in 2011 of “When the American people find out how their government has secretly interpreted the Patriot Act, they will be stunned and they will be angry.” has come home to roost in spades.
The hope that all this would blow over isn't happening and more and more people across this nation are reading what is going on and seeing how it is dealt with. That drives home the realization that smoke, mirrors, and lies aren't going to cut it. This is what happens when a real scandal breaks.
Such is what we have on our hands today. I am still looking to congress to do their figgin' jobs!
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The No Child Not Left Behind Act.
The Clear Skies, Not! Act.
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No, that is exactly the sort of "revamp" Obama had in mind.
If this mess drags out to the next presidential campaign, I predict a knee-jerk swing back to a republican insider--who will quietly run things basically as they are now--rather than someone who will actually change ANYTHING. People don't learn, party politics will keep herding this country towards yet another cliff.
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Or how about the victims on the Obama "Enemies List" ?
Regarding the IRS, I also remember Harry Reid saying he has information about Romney not paying taxes.
The dots are beginning to connect …
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Historians have him pegged
Hey, hey! Barack, I say!
How many Americans did you SPY ON today?!?
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Liberals:
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Strange shifts of players.........
the 911 putsch from us the victims.
When the lead architects [Zelokow/Hamilton of the 911 commission cover-up/whitewash suddenly become personas non-gratus in the apparatus of information repression, it should gives us careful observers pause to reality check our assumptions...... and to speculate what NEW leaks and revelations our vast security state will; soon endure...
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