NSA, GCHQ Admit That The Public Is The Enemy
from the civil-war dept
Yet another point on the latest NSA/GCHQ revelations concerning backdoors into all sorts of commercial encryption tools, buried within the stories is the pretty clear admission that the NSA and GCHQ views the public as the enemy. First, as Marcy Wheeler points out, all of the programs are named after civil war battles in which the same country's own citizens were seen as the enemy:The full extent of the N.S.A.’s decoding capabilities is known only to a limited group of top analysts from the so-called Five Eyes: the N.S.A. and its counterparts in Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Only they are cleared for the Bullrun program, the successor to one called Manassas — both names of American Civil War battles. A parallel GCHQ counterencryption program is called Edgehill, named for the first battle of the English Civil War of the 17th century.But it actually goes even further than that. As the Guardian report notes, in one of the documents, the public is flat out named as the "adversary."
Unlike some classified information that can be parceled out on a strict “need to know” basis, one document makes clear that with Bullrun, “there will be NO ‘need to know.’ ”
Among other things, the program is designed to "insert vulnerabilities into commercial encryption systems". These would be known to the NSA, but to no one else, including ordinary customers, who are tellingly referred to in the document as "adversaries".Kind of says it all, doesn't it? For all the bullshit coming out of the administration and the defenders of this program that they're about protecting the safety of Americans, that's clearly not the overall intent. It's to compromise the privacy of everyone.
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The First Word
“Then, how do they actually recruit these coders? I'm sure it isn't all patriotism and appeals to better nature. They buy them, either with cash or inducements like promotions for relatives who may be in the government or military. And if that doesn't work, there is always coercion. How do they get the info they need to coerce these people? By spying on them and blackmailing them for naughty deeds or threatening bad treatment for their relatives. And if they don't have any weak points, why you buddy up to them and get them involved in something bad, so then you can blackmail them.
There's no doubt that this kind of subversion involves not only passive spying on Americans, but active operations inside our borders against Americans.
Or perhaps they only do it to foreign nationals with H1 visas? Hmm, what could you offer a foreign national or threaten them with to cooperate?
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Start calling congress and tell them to axe the NSA as they view the public as the enemy and thus are NOT welcome in this, or any other, country.
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I do agree with the rest though.
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The whole thing has gone way too far and both NSA and our governments have become akin to a rabid dog, not able to tell friend from foe.
It is time to end NSA by cutting it's funding completely off until it is thoroughly investigated by an independent investigator without ties to the vested interests. It is time to call for criminal charges for senior staff in charge for violating their 'nothing inside the country' mandate. It is time to look into impeachment proceedings if they are called for. Maybe after all has been thoroughly reviewed some of those still working for the NSA would like to continue; certainly not those in charge now.
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Fixed that for you.
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Yeah, that was like 2 weeks ago.
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No contingency plan
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We see this time and time again when small people run giant organizations, they take and take and leave the organization they were meant to serve in rubble. Enron, AIG, Lehman Brothers, a ton of government departments etc.
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Then, how do they actually recruit these coders? I'm sure it isn't all patriotism and appeals to better nature. They buy them, either with cash or inducements like promotions for relatives who may be in the government or military. And if that doesn't work, there is always coercion. How do they get the info they need to coerce these people? By spying on them and blackmailing them for naughty deeds or threatening bad treatment for their relatives. And if they don't have any weak points, why you buddy up to them and get them involved in something bad, so then you can blackmail them.
There's no doubt that this kind of subversion involves not only passive spying on Americans, but active operations inside our borders against Americans.
Or perhaps they only do it to foreign nationals with H1 visas? Hmm, what could you offer a foreign national or threaten them with to cooperate?
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"adversary"
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It absolutely implies hostility. Even your explanation of it (which is correct) spells out that hostility.
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When I first went into the service there was a recruiter for the NSA there. He asked if I wanted to join. I had no clue what the NSA was and turned it down.
Now if you have access to everything an individual communicates for the past 25 years and everything about his life, including his finances, surely you would be able to come up with some sort of incentive to get cooperation.
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Huh....
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Gov't (owned by The Rich) always regard The People as enemies,
Problem is that you kids who grew up in luxury and plenty just don't regard The Rich as The Real Enemy, nor The Gov't as owned by The Rich. But it always is, and gov't is the main instrument by which The Rich exert their control and scrape off the excess which Labor makes, and with it build bigger and better control systems. Historically, that's led to unbearable tyranny which caused uprisings, but The Rich have learned from their experiments (from Imperial Rome to Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, Communist China, many others) and now have better methods.
Just ran across this 2003 article, good explanation of WHAT is wrong, but even ends up saying doesn't have a fix:
Inverted Totalitarianism: A New Way of Understanding How the U.S. Is Controlled
http://www.globalresearch.ca/inverted-totalitarianism-a-new-way-of-understanding-how-t he-u-s-is-controlled/9031
Whereas I do have a fix, time-tested with broad Populist support. If you see that the problem is The Rich trying to gain absolute control over everyone else, then:
The solution for most societal ills is HIGH INCOME TAX RATES. -- WAGES should not be taxed at all! Income means unearned income.
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Puppies
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i was okay with their actions until this... surely a sign that this organization must be put to an end!
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Well fuck you too
Of course, it's not like a police state's going to give up its power that easily or come clean about its true intent on purpose. It's ironic how the same "people" (I refuse to even pretend to acknowledge them as human beings anymore after these events) who have successfully hidden themselves from everyone can't even hide their true agendas anymore.
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Artists, etc., earn more from public performances and real scarcities (such as personal appearances, etc.) than from copyright rents. Remember, the big bad corporations get those way before the artists ever do.
Those artists, etc., who do make money from copyright revenues, get less of the actual revenues than the publishers, who collect it via the collections agencies (who take their cut), pass it to the publishers, who take their cut, then pass it to the artists, etc.
Ever heard of "Work for hire?"
It's why we don't take you seriously, Blue. You contradict your stated position every time you take a maximalist stance.
As for wages, that IS income. And people have always been smart enough to find ways of redefining income sources to get around the taxes.
But I digress. Copyright, which you fondly believe is there to compensate artists, etc., for their endeavors, is increasingly being used as an instrument by which "The Rich" exert their control and scrape off the excess which Labor makes.
They're using surveillance, IPR, and consolidation of major communications to maintain and expand their control over us.
Which brings me to my ultimate point: the public are perceived as the enemy of the Establishment because they've forgotten that the role of government is to serve the people, not the other way around.
We need to remind them of their actual role by keeping the pressure on until this troubling trend reverses.
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Bull Run/Manassas
They were actually the SAME battles. One name is what the North called them, and the other is what the South called them.
The first battle of Bull Run/Manassas is, of course, considered to be the first real battle of the war. From what I remember from my history classes, before this battle most people assumed the war would be over quickly one way or the other, but after this battle, people realized this war was going to take a long, long time.
A metaphor?
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Adversaries hmm?
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Don't forget it was 2 days after Microsoft and Facebook publicly backed off their support that Rogers went batshit crazy and he hasn't been back since. At the time it seemed like business as usual fear mongering. In retrospect it looks more like he knew the NSA's cover was falling apart and expected to be the first one thrown under the bus.
Here's the data from the Sunlight Foundation, minus the 2013 figures. I'm particularly interested to find out exactly where IBM fits in the picture. How desperate did they have to be to send 200 executives to Washington this year to personally lobby for CISPA?
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It cannot then expect us to believe that it is working on our behalf, that our representatives are representing constituent's interest.
NSA, FBI, CIA, DOJ, DEA, special forces, army, and the dozens of other police and intelligence agencies are all more dangerous to a functioning rep gov than any foreign threat they supposedly protect us against.
In a modern gov, we citizens are supposedly sovereign. Our representatives supposedly monitor the rest of the gov to ensure that.
Secret courts, secret opinion and interpretations of the law are completely opposite the concept of sovereign citizens.
Shrub and Obama have lead a rewrite of of the Constitution in secret. It was a coup.
If we do not reverse this, if we do not remove those dangers, we will have lost our country, our Constitution. Very bad events follow such losses.
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The rest of the "free" world is waiting for the American people's response.
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There are only 100 Senators.
And Amash is not one of them.
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I wrote to my Congressman asking why he voted against Amash. He sent me a lengthy reply full of weasel phrases like "a substantial amount of misinformation about these programs has been spread, mostly through independent, unaccountable media sources" and "I have twice sworn an oath to preserve, defend, and uphold our Constitution. I take this oath very seriously". Then at the end he linked to a press release put out by his office -
https://heck.house.gov/press-release/why-i-voted-against-amash-amendment-defense-appropriations-a ct
That he felt obliged to put this out suggests that I was far from the only person to contact him about the matter.
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My NSA
World domination begins and ends at home. Your NSA is the program.
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Glenn has seriously misinterpretted a crypto term
https://twitter.com/patconnolly/status/376514366784278528
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Among other things, this is going to kill the American software and hardware industries.
Wayne
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