NSA Spied On Porn Habits Of 'Radicalizers,' Planned To Use Details To Embarrass Them
from the j-edgar-alexander dept
The latest report on leaked Snowden docs from Glenn Greenwald (along with Ryan Gallagher and Ryan Grim at the Huffington Post) shows how the NSA had a plan to use the porn surfing habits of certain people they didn't like to discredit them. If this brings back memories of J. Edgar Hoover's FBI, effectively blackmailing politicians, you've connected the dots. This is why we've said that even people who think they've done nothing wrong, should be wary of the NSA spying on everyone. It's easy to turn even legal behavior, like surfing porn, into a personal embarrassment.
And, really, the real issue here is the clear slippery slope. It's reasonable to argue that the US should be spying on terrorists who want to attack us. That's a mission that makes sense. But there's a pretty big gap between spying on terrorists who are trying to kill us, and snooping through the private activities of those with an audience who just don't like us. And, from there, of course, it's not a very far leap over to arguing that activists within the US who are critical of the government should be subject to the same treatment.
While Baker and others support using surveillance to tarnish the reputation of people the NSA considers "radicalizers," U.S. officials have in the past used similar tactics against civil rights leaders, labor movement activists and others.Baker -- the same guy who blamed civil libertarians for 9/11 and blamed privacy advocates for an over-aggressive TSA -- brushes off the idea that the NSA might ever abuse this stated program of spying on people's personal lives and habits to discredit them publicly.
Under J. Edgar Hoover, the FBI harassed activists and compiled secret files on political leaders, most notably Martin Luther King, Jr. The extent of the FBI's surveillance of political figures is still being revealed to this day, as the bureau releases the long dossiers it compiled on certain people in response to Freedom of Information Act requests following their deaths. The information collected by the FBI often centered on sex -- homosexuality was an ongoing obsession on Hoover's watch -- and information about extramarital affairs was reportedly used to blackmail politicians into fulfilling the bureau's needs.
[....] James Bamford, a journalist who has been covering the NSA since the early 1980s, said the use of surveillance to exploit embarrassing private behavior is precisely what led to past U.S. surveillance scandals. "The NSA's operation is eerily similar to the FBI's operations under J. Edgar Hoover in the 1960s where the bureau used wiretapping to discover vulnerabilities, such as sexual activity, to 'neutralize' their targets," he said. "Back then, the idea was developed by the longest serving FBI chief in U.S. history, today it was suggested by the longest serving NSA chief in U.S. history."
Baker said that until there is evidence the tactic is being abused, the NSA should be trusted to use its discretion. "The abuses that involved Martin Luther King occurred before Edward Snowden was born," he said. "I think we can describe them as historical rather than current scandals. Before I say, 'Yeah, we've gotta worry about that,' I'd like to see evidence of that happening, or is even contemplated today, and I don't see it."We're not exactly talking ancient history here. The abuses happened within Baker's own lifetime, even if they didn't happen within Snowden's. But the idea that within a single generation we've suddenly created more virtuous humans who won't abuse power is kind of laughable, and I'm curious as to what Baker's basis for believing that is. For someone who has spent so much of his career trying to help the hunt for bad guys, he sure has an optimistic view of the intentions of human beings. Oh, I forget, he's only talking about people on "our side" who I guess are naturally virtuous -- whereas folks on the other side are naturally morally destitute. Because that makes no sense at all, which seems to be the kind of arguments that Baker gravitates to.
Either way, it's exactly this kind of activity that has so many people concerned about the NSA. They're clearly not just spying on terrorist communications for the sake of preventing an attack. Now they're directly talking about using private information, like the fact that someone surfs porn or is "attracted to fame" to do character assassinations of people they dislike. The ability to abuse such a power is vast, and it's laughable to think that the NSA is so full of perfectly virtuous people that it would never make use of such powers.
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Hoover did not attempt to control the worlds opinion, NSA is trying to do so.
P.S. Jihad does not always mean aggression against Muslims, but can be used to mean a struggle against their influence.
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For example, it was revealed after Senator David Vitter got caught soliciting prostitutes that he had some kind of a sexual fetish that involved dressing him up like a baby in adult diapers and wanting the prostitutes to spank him for being naughty. Vitter's political opponents started to call him "Diaper David" for a while after that.
There was a person at my office who left years ago who accidentally left their porn collection on their old work computer. Years later when someone needed to look up some files on a backup of his old computer the people at the office found his porn collection and were laughing so heavily at it that everyone was coming over saying "what's so funny", and joining in the laughing watching the porn. I wasn't there then, but from what I understand the porn involved a man and woman using lots of different kitchen utensils on each other while having sex.
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This means that any power the Judiciary had over the NSA is gone, as well as Congress or the Senate. Maybe we should see which of our 'representatives' voted to keep NSA's funding of this operation and try to guess what kind of browsing habits they have.
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Mr. "Everything is black or white unless you can proove otherwise. Grey doesn't exist."
He seems to continue the "untill proven otherwise we are angels". When proof is put out there, anyone who reads it is a traitor and should be eligible for execution at dawn.
It is easy to use his logic, when an organisation cannot in any way be prooven wrong without release of classified information. His whole stance is shameful to take as long as secrecy is the policy.
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THEN we can discuss the NSA's discretion.
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Of course they aren't interested in your Aunt Sue's recipes. But if Aunt Sue posed a threat to NSA, such as being on an oversight committee or just about any other position of power, you can be damn sure they would be very interested in everything she does.
And if Aunt Sue opposed NSA's hegemony, they could find a way for Aunt Sue's predilections to become known, without in any way having it look like they made that happen.
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i made a script
it means the nsa are fags cause they enjoy what they do
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Who are there terrorists again?
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David Cameron is a staunch defender of the GCHQ, because terrorists. But, he also wants to enact legislation that requires ISPs to block porn, because think of the children.
It would appear that David Cameron's proposed porn-blocking legislation will block this valuable source of intelligence.
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It would take zero effort to put a US politician on that list or even a US judge. I imagine they already have a list like that but are still able to keep it classified.
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Seriously, at this point every law that's ever made that uses the words "terrorism", "piracy" or "children" to promote it should be automatically thrown into a burning trash heap.
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We're simply watching history repeat itself. If Baker has his way, we'll keep repeating history and expect to see a different outcome, somehow.
Albert Einstein had a term for people who do the same thing over and over again. "Insane nutters".
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