Chicago Sandwich Shop Emails Employees On Dec. 23rd To Say Merry Christmas And You're All Fired
from the open-faced-club-scroogewich dept
Let me let you in on a little secret: I don't really like Christmas. Through some combination of those horrible lights, that torture referred to as Christmas music, my disliking of receiving gifts and the proximity to the far superior holiday known as Thanksgiving, December 25th just never gets my trousers off, so to speak. It's led to some of my friends joking that I'm a modern-day Scrooge, which my bank account confirms I am, in fact, not. Besides, it turns out the Chicago area has a much better approximation for Scrooge than I in whoever owns Snarf's Sandwiches on the near North Side.
See, Snarf's thought it would be fun to wait until a couple of days before Christmas to let their employees at their sandwich shop know that, suprise, you're fired. Oh, and because assbaggery prefers its interactions impersonal, they informed their staff of this via a warm and fuzzy email.
1. Due to increased competition and losses, ownership has decided to consider remodeling and reconcepting the store at 600 West Chicago Ave.Bullet point number seven is by far my favorite. Nothing makes a Christmas firing more satisfying than telling the folks fired they should totally come check out the new sandwich shop staffed with all the folks that took their jobs once it reopens. Now, it's interesting that the firing comes just a few days after the staff joined other fast food workers in striking for higher wages, but Snarf's spokeswoman Jill Preston says that's just a happy coincidence.
2. The store is closing, effective tomorrow, December 23, 2013 for an unknown period of time for this remodeling and reconcepting.
3. All staff is terminated, effective Monday, December 23, 2013.
4. All staff may apply for unemployment, if eligible.
5. Return any keys and Company property to Will Ravert at 600 West Chicago Avenue on Monday, December 23, 2014 during normal business hours.
6. Payroll will be processed as usual this week and paid on Friday, December 27, 2013.
7. Keep an eye out for the grand opening of the new store.
8. Ownership appreciates your service and wish you well in your new endeavors.
Doug Besant Director of Operations
“During the Christmas holiday we’re pretty slow,” she says. “The restaurant’s usually three quarters closed. This does happen to coincide, but this is something we’ve had planned for awhile.”So Snarf's has been planning this for some time, huh? In that case, I guess it was just sadism and a hatred for the working stiff that led to management emailing everyone with one day's notice of their termination? At Christmas? Classy. And breaking up with your employees via email? Well that's just the dingle berry on top of the poop sundae for your workers.
“Three days before Christmas and not even a call,” [Employee] Rojas says. “It’s not fair that management and the corporation is treating [employees] this way.”It looks like Scrooge is alive and well and running a small sandwich shop in Chicago. And somewhere, Tiny Tim just kicked the bucket out of sheer dispair. Happy holidays.
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Where you write "masochism", you surely meant "sadism".
Anyhoo, kids, aren't you glad to compete in a "free market" where employers can terminate you at any time?
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The exact opposite. Easy mistake to make when drunk."
Totally correct. And, while it so happened this was a rare time when I was NOT drunk, thanks for being such a decent guy about it Blue. Merry Christmas to you and everyone else.
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The unregulated "free market" that OotB and Republicans insist is the "American Way"?
Oh, THAT "free market"!
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Okay, those who got terminated get to keep company property for an entire year after being fired! How riveting!
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Or perhaps the strikers merely hoped that their employers wouldn't break the law by retaliating against them?
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At-Will Employment in Illinois:
Illinois is an "employment at will" state. As such, at-will employees can be terminated for any reason. The only exception is for employees who are covered by a contract or union agreement governing the terms of employment. Employees who are covered by an employment contract can usually only be terminated for the reasons set out in the contract. At-will employment also protects the employee's right to resign.
Unlawful terminations violate legal protections, including discrimination or harassment, whistleblower protections, absence to serve on a jury, retaliation for asserting legal rights or violations of employment or union contracts. In such cases a fired employee could potentially file a wrongful termination claim.
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Perhaps it will consist of a many faceted introspection of our much nuanced legal system where one is allowed to argue many things on many levels - which some refer to as layers.
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'Unlawful terminations violate legal protections, including discrimination or harassment, whistleblower protections, absence to serve on a jury, retaliation for asserting legal rights or violations of employment or union contracts. In such cases a fired employee could potentially file a wrongful termination claim.
Now, it's entirely possibly the store was going to fire everyone anyway with the move(which would be stupid, but whatever), but to fire them all shortly after a strike, even if the mass firing honestly had nothing to do with it, still makes the move look like retaliation on the part of the store owners.
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Maybe it's time to start up your own business, Pay yourself whatever you want and hire others and pay them the kind of pay YOU wanted at that other job. Good luck even getting it started up.
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This is a day and age where Megacorporates are gutting employee benefits and pensions, insisting they do more work with less pay (And in cases like Internships, No Pay), and make it clear they have no problem seeing you as a commodity to be used up, until you're sucked dry like a juice box, then tossed aside while they reach for another...and then they wonder where Employee Loyalty went? It went out the window when it became clear Employer Loyalty was no longer going to be extended to your Loyal Employees. This is what the few Mom-and-Pop's that still function as such get, today.
Henry Ford may not have been a friend of Unions, but his rationale was that if you paid your employees a living wage, so they could buy your products and keep making you money by being loyal employees, they wouldn't HAVE to organize against you to get that. Funny how so many today openly admire Ford, but eschew one of his central philosophies...
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The problem here is people want to work what is a crap job (making subs) but want to make enough income to afford a full life, you know, a car, a nice place to live, a couple of nights out a week, and so on. Worse yet, some of these people think that a job sweeping up at the sub shop should pay enough to support a family. It's just not very logical, is it?
The unions certainly were part of the industrial revolution and getting things to be fair for workers. They stopped being about fairness and more about greed and pulling the blanket to their side at every turn. So many industries were decimated by expensive union labor, hard to manage shop rules, minimum staffing, and all sorts of silly things. Just remember, it can cost you nearly $2000 for an electrical hookup at a Las Vegas convention, thanks to the fine union people who have negotiated each hookup as a separate job, minimum 4 hours, lunch, call time, 2 men minimum, and a supervisor - and oh yeah, double time if they do it any time other than middle of the day.
Just think... subway can have their $50 foot long promotion!
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Oh, and the living wage argument is utter nonsense.
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Haaaaahahahahahaaaaaa - oh my, that's a good one!
" they know they'll get into trouble if they don't."
Haaaaahahahahahaaaaaa - holy moly, the hits keep coming! Are you here all week?
"the living wage argument is utter nonsense"
Perhaps some sort of supporting rational is in order here, otherwise people might, you know, write you off as a crackpot regurgitating sound bites heard on wingnut radio.
There are plenty of studies and plenty of conclusions, most concentrate on the impacts upon municipal budgets, business and unemployment while few address the working poor and the levels of taxation required to support them.
Many libertarian/conservative types will state things like unemployment can be eliminated if minimum wage laws are repealed, this is ridiculous - obviously. But the point about living wage/benefits is even more obvious (by example) if you consider whether you would eat at a restaurant where the cook and wait staff are not given sick leave and often prepare food while ill. The restaurant owner apparently has little regard for not only the employees but also the customers. An additional item in this example is that health experts state (what should be an obvious fact) that malnutrition leads to more frequent illness. If you can not afford to eat well, you will get sick more often.
So, yeah - utter nonsense indeed.
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Enjoy that spit with your burger at McDonalds because that's what you get for minimum wage.
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It takes ZERO skill to work at a fast food place. I know, I worked at Jack in the Box for a few years. A couple of them actually. The second one in a whole other state while I went to trade school. I worked full time and went to school full time!!! Has very little free time. I started out at the Minimum of $3.35 a hour and got up to $3.90 a hour. Not a lot of money, not a so called Living wage. It's a Zero skill job for Young people, Kids to do until they get a REAL JOB!!!
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They have no loyalty, they have only demands.
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Film at eleven
Please explain why anyone would/should have any loyalty for an employer who treats them like shit.
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A Sandwich shop shouldn't be paying people $15 a hour. That's crazy. I'm not going to subway and paying $10 for a sub!!! Few people will and the place has to close it's door and everyone loses their job!
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Also, many people avoid restaurants where management fires employees for missing work due to illness. Do you really want some sick person preparing your meal?
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What? -- those bastards!
"thus pushing younger employees out of the workforce
Another simple minded conservative factoid pushed upon a gullible populace - this is sad.
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There were simply no indications what-so-ever elsewhere, in the past, that might possibly imply low wage workers might be getting upset about the shitty working conditions, lack of benefits and minimum wages. Contrast this with the way they were informed of the shop shutting down until they can be replaced. It is appalling how crass these former employees are- disgraceful!
I'm sure that poor little sandwich shop owner will fill the open positions with replacement low wage earners who will be forced to work irregular part time hours with last minute schedule changes and without any benefits. It's good to be sandwich shop owner.
Being that the sandwich shop owner admittedly planned this for some time, how exactly did these terrorists cause the loss of "thousands of dollars" ?
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They likely did this deliberately to the employees. The Internets has this hard time with forgetting...
Good luck new store! You're really going to fucking need it!
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So, you will be posting tomorrow? I mean, you wouldn't really do a double standard and take the holiday you hate so much off, would you?
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The employes stuck to him with their craze strike.
He sticks it to them ASAP.
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Sounds stupid in so many ways. Either they were firing bad employees, in which case they shouldn't have been hired in the first place or fired earlier, or they were firing good employees, in which case they should have warned them ahead of time what was happening and offered them a position at the new restaurant. In neither case is firing them all at the last minute a good idea, even if you don't care about being an a-hole.
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I worked part time at a small retail store, and the store did eventually close. The owners tried to skip out on that final paycheck for myself and the maybe two other employees.
We went to the Labor Department, provided all the information, and the owners had their wages (in their new jobs) garnished until we were all paid.
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Christmas canning
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Sounds more like..
Sucks for the employees, but at least those who have the hours can apply for unemployment or other benefits from the government while they look for new, minimum wage jobs to replace the minimum wage jobs they are losing.
Hint to minimum wage workers: Your job isn't a career, stop trying to make it pay like one. Union action in fast food is humorous to say the least. While this shut down may or may not be related, take it as a warning shot, there isn't enough money in fast food franchises to pay you $20 an hour to make sandwiches and wash tables with the same filthy cloth all day.
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Have these people not heard of the ROBOBURGER? Look it up on Youtube. It's pretty crude. But this stuff is all Standardized. You can build a new restaurant and have it mostly filled with Robots doing most everything other then cleaning the place.
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Don't like a current store, down mark it and it notes the current owners, investors, etc. Once you start down-voting over the period of say, 5+ years, patterns will probably start to emerge, like certain owners or investors behind every store that you don't like. The opposite will probably be true for up-voting.
All we need now is easy access to this information, like via RESTful services, and some analytics to data mine this stuff.
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warning, pdf
https://www.google.com/url?q=http://rocunited.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/ROC-DINERS-GUIDE-201 3.pdf&sa=U&ei=YnC8Uv7TC-XN2wWz1oBI&ved=0CCkQFjAD&usg=AFQjCNF35_fiPHZrj5SfQXTnnFYat1Z e2w
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Start studying automated systems now to get in on the ground floor.
So that you will be able to earn that wage.
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If you don't like your pay, do something about it!!! Get a Education where you can make more money because it's a skilled Job that no monkey could ever do. Start up your own business and see how things are in the real world!!! Or try getting a job someplace else with better pay! Maybe a job you can start out at low pay, but learn on the job and gain the skills needed over time and work up to better and better pay, like a Apprenticeship type program!!! Plumbers, electricians, etc... Pay SUCKS but you're learning on the job from a expert and in however many years, you can be on your own making a lot more money or starting up your own small business in that field and working up to even better pay. Depending on how good your skill is. The great thing is you don't have a huge collage dept to pay back!!! You now have skills worth real money in the end!!!
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Otherwise, the sandwich shop might be screwed
You see, there are laws against firing people without due notice, and without adequate pay compensation.
I bet the Labor Department lawyers would be interested in this, and I bet they'll get really interested when all of the workers show up at the Unemployment office at the same time, with the same reason.
http://www.dol.gov/compliance/topics/plant-closings-layoffs.htm
Although the WARN law states that it only applies to companies with more than 50 workers, I bet a good lawsuit will bring that outfit to their knees really fast.
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Small Business Exemption.
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"Chicago's not a state, Joe."
"Oh, and Pete Dakota is?"
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Got one too on the 23rd
What??? It couldn't wait another week or until after New Years? Noope - this sadistic person just loves to dig in the spurs...
Oh well... Obama gonna make it mo better!
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http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/thanks-obama
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Of course someone will claim said business will fail because of high overhead, totally ignoring that a majority of small business fails regardless of their employee compensation.
Compare Wallmart to Costco, the Ayn Randians have no response to this.
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I guess you can figure out that many factors impact a small business failure, but the only factor affecting a big businesses success is what they pay their employees?
hippies have no response to this.
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Oh, and I doubt a Walmart "register monkey" gets 20 per hour.
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Yes, I must be retarded and your brilliant diagnosis capabilities should be rewarded.
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Still people choosing a highschoolers job as a career should just be allowed to expire.
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Sounds like a sitcom
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You want a job you're valued at? Go make yourself more valuable than a highschool student looking for dope money, don't demand to be overpaid for doing monkey work.
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As for Child care, my wife doesn't have to work, and yet, I don't have a college degree, gee, it must not be hard to make it out there after all, if you're not a pussy.
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I'll bet you are a lot of fun at parties.
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You fascists on this board amuse me, "let's pay everyone $1000 an hour, it doesn't matter that their job is menial and requires the brains to just keep breathing, money is free, evil business owners must be forced to suffer and be punished if they make too much."
Like I said, how many successful businesses do you idiots run? How many employees do you have, what do you pay them, and how much profit per employee does the business generate?
I'll bet you're real fun at parties with your hippie "the man is keeping us down" whining.
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The concept is probably beyond your comprehension, but providing sustenance to the poor is not equivalent to paying them $1K per hour. Your ridiculous exaggeration is a favorite talking point of the right wing and has no basis in fact.
You seem to support corporate welfare, care to share why?
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Government control of markets and strict regulation of means of production and income sounds pretty fascist to me. You douches are all for enslaving people, but not allowing them to die for being useless. That'll work out.
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This person is clearly not worth debating.
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Your comedic act is getting tiresome and you still have not provided an accurate description.
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Fact is, many minimum wage jobs are held by college graduates not highschool kids. The global economy has undercut their prior positions and discarded them like garbage. These are people who worked diligently to improve themselves via higher education and experience - and they are told they are lucky they have a mcjob.
You may want to take a bit of your own medicine and educate yourself about reality rather than memorizing talking points.
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All it takes is two jobs to be available in order to make this statement correct.
Problem is, there are multitudes of jobless for every one opening.
The rest of your post is disappointing. Surely you can come up with some talking points to toss around.
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How many businesses have all of you economic geniuses run successfully?
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The term "business" refers to a subset of this economy.
If one only looks at a subset, one does not see the whole.
Now - are you refuting the claim that many low wage workers have actually worked hard to better themselves? If so, please provide references and not from Fox News.
When off shoring the core of your business there are potentially many skilled employees left out in the cold, due to nothing of their own doing, and you are calling them worthless. If they knew this ahead of time, I'm sure they would have sought employment elsewhere, studied in a different field and/or moved. But wage slaves are disposable, amirite?
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I read one article that quoted a moron working at McDonald's for 10 years still making minimum wage, who was told by his boss "you shouldn't have joined that union". Let's see, you're making minimum wage for 10 years, yet you pay a "union" (Our McDonalds or some such) that doesn't have the power to negotiate your wages dues, rather than going somewhere else that has a 6 month performance review? You're making minimum fucking wage, retard, it isn't like a new job can pay you less!
It's hilarious to me that the railroads are always hiring people for 30k while in training up to 50k after 6 months, they have group interviews for up to 150 people, and they hold them every few months, yet people can't find jobs and are stuck in fast food.
You can go on the state employment service's website and find hundreds of 20k+ a year jobs listed, if you can't put together a resume to sweep floors at the high school, or walk around a warehouse after hours, then you are too stupid to live.
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You read an article about one person working a McJob. This one data point supports your bias and therefore proves your opinion about millions of other people - awesome.
In your railroad story, how many positions were available? Just because they interview 150 people every few months does not mean there are multitudes of openings. There are many instances where only a few low wage openings were available but there were hundreds of applicants.
"... you are too stupid to live."
Is that your "final solution" Adolf ?
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They have interviews with up to 150 people because they have to fill multiple positions. They pare down the numbers with a super hard test featuring such difficult questions as "do you break safety rules for speed?"
I figured that would be pretty evident as I'm using it as an example instead of bringing one out about 2500 people applying for 150 jobs at walmart, but then, we've already determined your reading comprehension id weak.
2500 people applying for 150 walmart jobs... Wow, what horrible jobs they must be.
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Multiple positions - wow. What might that be exactly?
Ten?
Yup, I can not read - much less understand it. You are very observant indeed.
Most jobs at Walmart are minimum wage.
Darwinism? lol - I am surprised. I figured you for a creationist type.
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It should be done early and often!
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There certainly is rampant electoral fraud nationwide, but very cases of voter fraud.
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IDs are hard to come by - another whining liberal bitch "fact"
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The sole purpose of the voter id proposals is selective disenfranchisement. If you can not get a majority of the vote, then you simply stop your opponents from voting - brilliant!
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Those violations of existing laws amount to what percentage of the vote in those areas? Enough to change the course of an election? Yeah, I didn't think so. I suppose one could come up with many ridiculous proposals to eliminate all sorts of crime and include an ulterior motive too. Muhahahahhaha.
Obviously the problem is electoral fraud not voter fraud and the voter id laws do nothing to stop either. In factr, the argument can be made that these laws can be considered to be electoral fraud. They certainly are unconstitutional in that they disenfranchise eligible voters.
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"for some reason when it comes to Voting, the ID becomes a issue?!?!?!"
I am not the one making it an issue
"How you could possibly have no ID in this day and age?!?!?!"
Way to miss the point completely. Good job. Not that I expected anything else.
"I wonder why the Democrats are so into Illegals"
I have read about a few GOP types who like their illegal servants.
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