The Only Way We'll Really Learn About The CIA's Torture Program Is If Someone Leaks The Report
from the it'll-happen-eventually dept
Last week, we noted that the Senate Intelligence Committee had voted to declassify a small part of its $40 million, 6,300-page report that apparently details how the CIA's torture program exceeded granted authorities, was totally useless in gathering intelligence, and resulted in the CIA lying to Congress. Of course, even with the declassification vote, it's only been agreed to declassify the 480-page executive summary and major findings, leaving the vast majority of the paper in secret. Furthermore, that executive summary is now going to go through months of an intensive "declassification process," which appears to involve letting the CIA itself take giant black markers to redact all the bits it doesn't like.As we mentioned last week, VP Joe Biden himself had argued for releasing the document by highlighting the importance of being open and admitting to the horrific mistakes that were made:
“I think the only way you excise the demons is you acknowledge, you acknowledge exactly what happened straightforward,” Biden said. “The single best thing that ever happened to Germany were the war crimes tribunals, because it forced Germany to come to its milk about what in fact has happened.”Except that's not what's happening. We're not going to get true acknowledgement of what happened in a straightforward way. We're not going to have real openness about it. We're going to have a tiny portion of a report that is redacted by the very organization accused of potential crimes against humanity and then covering it up. And that's why folks like Trevor Timm are arguing that if we're ever going to truly confront what our own nation did, someone needs to leak the entire report. Yes, there have been a variety of leaks about what's in the report to the press, but without the full story we can't, as Biden himself has said, "acknowledge exactly what happened straightforward."
It's possible the only way the public will ever get to see the entire landmark report is the same way we've learned everything we know about it: if someone leaks it.Of course, leaking such a report would likely then lead to yet another round of President Obama's war on whistleblowers, in which administration officials go around reminding everyone that leaks are akin to terrorism, and leakers get charged under the Espionage Act, which was designed to be used against spies selling us out to foreign governments, not whistleblowers informing the public.
Leaks have been critical to the public knowledge of Bush-era torture since the first hints of Abu Ghraib, and as longtime torture investigator Katherine Hawkins noted, "The Senate report would likely never have existed ... if it were not for previous investigations by journalists and non-governmental organizations."
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That would be the 'good' posibility actually
Given we're talking about a report detailing the CIA's torture program, it would likely get whoever leaked it killed(completely by 'accident' of course /s), so should it happen, whoever manages to pull it off will have proven themselves to be brave and a true US patriot to an extent rarely seen.
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Why the Pentagon should demand the release of the CIA torture report
First, American troops are sporadically engaged in combat with soldiers from other countries -- whether in a declared or undeclared war, or a so-called "police action", or something else. One of the things that has often brought those combat situations to a peaceful end is the surrender of those fighting against the Americans. And one of the reasons those surrenders occured is that Americans could and would promise those surrendering that they would not be killed or otherwise harmed: that they would be treated humanely. That was a promise that American commanders very often worked hard to keep, even over the objections of their own soldiers and their emotions, running high in the heat of battle.
But no American soldier can promise that any more. And no opposing soldier can believe it. There is every possibility that a peacefully-surrendering individual will be "disappeared" into one of the CIA's gulags and repeatedly tortured, perhaps to death.
So why should they surrender? Even if they're surrounded, outnumbered, and in a militarily hopless situation, why should they give up? Why not fight it out and try to take a few more Americans with them?
The CIA's torture program has removed one of the primary reasons for considering surrender as a viable option and thus ensures that more American soldiers will die, fighting protracted battles that need not have been fought by anyone.
Second, American soldiers are occasionally captured by adversaries. And while some of them have been treated brutally, many have been accorded the rights guaranteed to them under international law by countries who observed the Geneva Conventions because the United States did the same. In other words, those countries treated American prisoners of-war humanely because they wished the same for their own, and they had good reason to believe the United States would obey the law.
But the CIA has broken that tenuous trust. They've tortured people to death. And as a result, there is now far less reason for adversaries to treat American prisoners properly: why should they? Which means that captured American soldiers in the field now face substantially higher personal risk than they did previously.
This may not be fixable. I don't know. But if there is any possibility of fixing it, surely it lies along a path that includes the full disclosure of the entire report and every accompanying document. It will be ugly. It will be painful. It will be horrifying. But I think it's the only possible way and I think we, as a nation, owe it to the soldiers we put in harm's way.
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CIA strategy #1..kill them as individuals before they group up
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A coming clean and a purge are the only way the US will at this point redeem itself in the eyes of it's own citizens much less any potential enemies. Were the US to go back to honoring the Conventions tomorrow, no country could continue to believe the US will honor it's commitment to POWs by its past acts it has already done. It's reputation is already beyond repair until it does a public cleansing.
Even more disturbing is that it is very evident that the government as well as it's security branches view the public as the enemy. Secret lists such as the no-fly list you can't get off of, much less be told you are on it, the whole sale spying on all electronic communications by it's citizens in the name of prevent terrorism while not being able to actually produce any real, honest to goodness terrorist for all the money and effort spent, secret courts giving out secret rulings, expecting citizens to obey them without knowledge of what they are. Nor does it stop here.
So the real issue comes down to if they see these torture methods as a reason to secure information from the enemy, how long is it before this is turned on it's own citizens? The average citizen is now very unhappy with their government. According to an article I read somewhere today, they are paying more in taxes than they spend for basic necessities.
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Perhaps the military has finally decided to use the Cheney Program. Dick always said that the only good soldier was one who died as soon as he was no longer needed on the battlefield, since you don't have to pay dead soldiers.
Of course, Donkey Dick's plan included depleted uranium ammunition as a means to kill the veterans soon after returning home (with a bonus for doctors to cash in on the cancers before the vets died), but it seems the new Fed has come up with a nifty drug cocktail that includes all of those drugs you hear about on TV that warn about the side-effect of "thoughts of suicide"...
When it comes to killing Americans, nobody is better than the US Fed.
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I'd vote that to be the insightful comment of the year. It's easy to get bogged down in rants about politicians, etc, but, the US should not publicly release the report because it will give people ammo to bash on Bush and Yoo and the CIA.
The US should publicly release the report because the truth will ultimately be better for the men and women we put in harm's way.
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Nuremberg trials
Well, we get the report after the CIA redacts it. That's sort of like the Nuremberg trials with the Gestapo getting vetoing rights.
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How Good Is The Report As It Stands?
(*) The officers did a lot of lying before being told that General Peers already knew about it, from other sources, so they might as well come across with the truth.
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"come to it's milk"
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WHO DID THE CIA KILLED THIS TIME???
*** WHO is he?
A senior CIA official has died in an apparent suicide this week from injuries sustained after jumping off a building in northern Virginia, according to sources close to the CIA.
CIA spokesman Christopher White confirmed the death and said the incident did not take place at CIA headquarters in McLean, Va.
“We can confirm that there was an individual fatally injured at a facility where agency work is done,” White told the Washington Free Beacon. “He was rushed to a local area hospital where he subsequently died. Due to privacy reasons and out of respect for the family, we are not releasing additional information at this time.”
A source close to the agency said the man who died was a middle manager and the incident occurred after the man jumped from the fifth floor of a building in Fairfax County.
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The Complete Text of the CIA's Torture Program Report
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- translation: We can confirm that ANOTHER GOD-DAMNED WHISTLEBLOWER was fatally injured at a facility where Comcast and Verizon's fiber network goes into our servers,' White said. '(After we made sure there was zero chance of recovery by waiting for 30minutes) He was rushed to a local area hospital where he subsequently died. Due to not wanting to go to prison reasons and out of respect for not having to also murder the family (to shut them the hell up), we are not releasing additional information at this time.'
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