Supreme Court May Take A Shot At Defining The Point At Which Protected Speech Becomes An Unprotectable 'Threat'
from the yes,-there's-a-lousy,-dark-humored-joke-in-that-headline dept
The Supreme Court may take up the question of whether or not communicated threats are still threats even if the person making the statement doesn't necessarily have the ability or the intent to carry them out. In short, at what point does it turn from protectable speech into something the First Amendment won't cover?
The latest case involving the legal parameters of online speech before the justices concerns a Pennsylvania man sentenced to 50 months in prison after being convicted on four counts of the interstate communication of threats. Defendant Anthony Elonis' 2010 Facebook rant concerned attacks on an elementary school, his estranged wife, and even law enforcement.This is a subject we've discussed several times previously. People (mainly teens) have made statements and comments via social media that have veered close to being threats, but once investigated, turn out to be nothing more than stupid kids being stupid. Prosecutors and law enforcement have made some questionable decisions in their attempts to portray youthful indiscretions as the words of would-be killers, such as withholding the surrounding context or willfully misreading the words themselves.
"That's it, I've had about enough/ I'm checking out and making a name for myself/ Enough elementary schools in a ten mile radius/ to initiate the most heinous school shooting ever imagined/ and hell hath no fury like a crazy man in a Kindergarten class/ the only question is … which one?" read one of Elonis' posts.
Elonis' case is a bit more complicated. For one, Elonis is 30 years old. While growing older doesn't necessarily make you immune from stupidity, the expectations are a bit higher in terms of online discourse. It's a little harder to claim you're running on the same high-octane concoction of hormones and blood displacement that teenage boys are. Not that all youthful indiscretions are excusable, but given that age group's tendency towards disproportionate drama in all things, it does make it more understandable.
In addition, Elonis' statements were directed at a variety of targets, any of which would seem to be a viable recipient for his anger. Not only did Elonis mention shooting up a school (specifically a kindergarten), but he also apparently had dire "plans" for his wife and local law enforcement. Again, the post-Sandy Hook law enforcement/judicial mentality further clouds the issue, raising the question that if Elonis had left out the part about the school shooting, would he still be facing 30 months in prison? (Of course, threatening law enforcement tends to create just as much of a legal mess, usually one far worse than simply threatening your estranged spouse does…)
But the odds are fairly long that the Supreme Court will find the ability to carry out the threat matters as much as the perception of everyone else but the person making the statement.
Only one federal appeals court has sided with Elonis' contention that the authorities must prove that the person who made the threat actually meant to carry it out. Eight other circuit courts of appeal, however, have ruled that the standard is whether a "reasonable person" would conclude the threat was real.This long shot is also reliant on another long shot: that the administration will support this appeal. A similar case involving an Iraq War vet was greeted by the White House with a written petition asking the Supreme Court to reject the case. These two obstacles make it unlikely that the judicial system will start treating so-called "threats" any differently than they have in the past. And it's a very long past. David Kravets at Ars Technica points out that the statute being applied to these cases originated in 1932.
There are legitimate threats and these are rightly not treated as free speech. But there are others that are treated as legitimate threats even when there's no evidence the person uttering them has the ability, much less the intention to back up their unfortunate statements. Applying a 1932 statute to the wide open discourse platform that is the internet is doing little more than putting loudmouths and idiots in jail. Those who mean actual harm to others generally don't enlighten their future targets via Twitter, Facebook and forum posts.
By all means, potential threats should be investigated, but the courts need to come to the realization that these statements cannot be entirely robbed of their context (including intent and ability) and presented "as is" to the hypothetical "reasonable person." Reasonable people are completely capable of understanding that not every hurtful word can actually hurt someone, nor do they believe every "threat" is the sign of impending danger. Not only should the statute be reconsidered, but so should the court's "reasonable person" ideal.
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Re: SCOTUS and "reasonable threats"
Someone like Elonis needs a grown-up-weight timeout. Anyone who thinks his conduct is important or tolerable should reconsider their own beliefs and behaviors. Ideally while looking a picture of their own children.
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But now they're going to censor ACTUAL speech?
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- It will initiate spiraling attempts to establish increasingly complex legislation to "clarifiy" and "define" free speech in increasingly turgid legal verbiage.
- It will likely play into the creation of misguided (but increasingly popular) "zero tolerance" state laws.
- It will do nothing to cut down on wrongful arrests or prosecutions.
Cops don't usually read or understand the law. They react to 'keyword triggers.' Which is a fancy way of saying: (a) slap a label on someone (b) make the arrest (c) let the judge sort it out.
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From the Elonis petition:
Not surprisingly absent from the Elonis case is any claim that the First Amendment requires proof that a speaker have the ability to CARRY OUT his threat. Either Tim Cushing fails at reading comprehension or is a government hack.
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Re: Anonymous, step away from the keyboard
(not that literally getting your ass kicked for advocating Flutie start over Brees is in any way wrong. But it *is* technically illegal.)
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We are slowly going to far with law..or maybe not so slowly.
btw, I hear panama is a nice place, anyone ever lived there?
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Of course they all have resources to carry out threats!
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A threat is a threat
The leading cause of death for pregnant women is homicide. This is ridiculous. There is an epidemic of men stalking, harassing, and killing women, mainly ex-girlfriends and wives. Personally, I don't care if some of these men cool their heels in prison for a long time. It is better than the alternative.
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Re: A threat is a threat
Is 'performing' so-called rap music (which is chock full of nothing but violence) a direct threat to anyone? Rap 'artists', from what I understand, generally do have the means to carry out the treat contained in their 'lyrics' (handguns, mostly, which I'm given to understand they carry and the law be damned). Should they go to jail simply for 'performing'?
And to save you the effort of making the assumption, yes I do disapprove of rap its associated 'culture', perhaps violently so.
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Re: Re: A threat is a threat
Respectable reporting can be found at:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/clay-calvert/supreme-court-should-deci_b_5086608.html
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Re: Re: A threat is a threat
It could be, if a specific person is named.
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Re: A threat is a threat
I don't think so, ChrisB. Less than a minute online brought me to CDC reports that show that the leading cause of death is medical complications from the pregnancy itself, followed by suicide. So, at best, you're ignorant (and with a woeful lack of critical thinking skills). At worst (and likely), you're a man-hating misandrist (but I repeat myself). ChrisB, you're part of the problem.....
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I read the text of the first amendment,
I don't see any exceptions mentioned. Do you?
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Shock!
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So hey, I feel...
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Re: So hey, I feel...
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voodoo terrorism
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-man-who-used-voodoo-to-try-to-kill-his-wife-sentenced-t o-4-years-in-prison/2013/03/26/31770ad0-962f-11e2-8b4e-0b56f26f28de_story.html
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Re: voodoo terrorism
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This Country Is In No Shape To Judge Threats Anymore
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Fighting Words
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The real answer
If the threatened party feels even in a small way that the threat could turn into real actions, then the threat is real to them, and in the end, they are the victims of the crime.
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Re: The real answer
horse with no name just hates it when due process is enforced.
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Re: The real answer
Not true. The usual standard is if "a reasonable person" would take it as a material threat. Not everyone is reasonable.
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Re: Re: The real answer
I'm not a fan of "Stand your ground" laws for this reason.
"Words cross the line into a threat when the person, institution, or group making the threat makes plans and acquires the means to take action."
FIFY
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