Organization Helping Police Inject Ads On 'Pirate' Sites 'Pirates' BBC Article About The Program
from the well-there-go-its-own-ads dept
Earlier this week we wrote about the latest ridiculous move by the City of London Police to inject ridiculous ads on sites that the City of London Police force deems to be "pirate sites." As we noted in our writeup, it's not always so easy to determine what is and what is not a "pirate" site. Here, let's take a look at the website of a company called "Project Sunblock." It's a "brand safety" advertising company that claims to scan pages that ads appear on to make sure that good ads don't appear on "bad pages." It's also the "partner" that the City of London Police are using to do their ad injection. Here's what the original BBC article about this operation had to say about them:Project Sunblock detects the content of websites to prevent brands' ads appearing where they do not want them.So here's the question: is Project Sunblock itself running a rogue site? Parker Higgins happened to notice that the company decided to copy the entire BBC article onto its blog. It seems to think it's okay to do that, so long as it includes a "first published by Dave Lee on [BBC URL]" at the end. But, of course, that's not true. The company appears to have just copied the entire article wholesale and put it on its own website. The BBC might claim that this is infringement. Assuming that, at some point, some genius at Project Sunblock may rethink this decision, here's a thumbnail screenshot (you can click for a larger version):
When a website on Pipcu's Infringing Websites List (IWL) tries to display an advert, Project Sunblock will instead serve the police warning.
Neither the police or Project Sunblock are paying the website in question to display the police message.
But, really, it highlights the problem. The very company that is providing the tools to present bogus warnings to people that they're on a site engaged in copyright infringement is, itself, likely engaged in copyright infringement. Because, these days, it's almost impossible not to infringe someone's copyright at some point or another. Figuring out what sites are "pirate" sites and what sites are "legit" isn't so easy. When even the company the City of London Police signed up to do their ad injections can't figure out how copyright works, shouldn't the City of London Police think twice about unilaterally declaring sites pirate sites?
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Isn't this typical RIAA/MPAA behavior?
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They do because they can...
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From the wikipedia article
The Metropolitan police look after the rest of London.
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I can't say I've ever seen one of their ads. Guess I don't go to the right places for that.
If my ISP were to do this, I'd call it spamming. That it's a questionable action by a questionable authority to a questionable solution by self interested parties, doesn't make it right nor legal. It gives it far more than just a bad odor. No wonder very few people like those lobbying agencies nor the majors they represent.
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Imagine if you liked a site, let's say Techdirt, well enough to turn off your adblock to help support the site. Wouldn't you be really pissed off if you saw someone intercepting the ads with the express intent of cutting of a revenue source?
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That's not the only reason AdBlock exists, nor is it the most important reason.
The most important reason is that advertising networks are notorious for spreading malware and browser exploits. Really. Go look it up. I'll wait.
Forget the momentary annoyance of having your screen splattered with junk. Ignore the bandwidth you're using up -- against your usuriously-priced quota. And blow off the privacy-invading targeting and tracking tactics. All of those pale into insignificance compared to the damage that a compromised ad-serving network can do -- and quickly.
Which is why I don't just rely on AdBlock: I use firewalls and filtering HTTP proxies. And no, I won't turn those off for ANY site, no matter how much I like it.
The Internet advertising "industry", if I can dignify it with a term it doesn't deserve, is completely out of control in terms of security and privacy. Until it starts behaving like a grown-up, there is no reason at all to let it anywhere near your computing environment. Block, blacklist, firewall, filter, do whatever is necessary to make it disappear from your view of the Internet.
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As you mention it is a security issue with a side benefit of blocking ads.
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Oh puhleaze. Don't blame the advertisers for your poor choice of software[1].
Run Qubes-os, devote some time to help with Genode.org, or help with the recently open sourced SeL4.
[1]. Choices include anything from Microsoft, Linux, Apple, Google. It's not about vendor, it's about the monolithic browsers on top of OS's that protect against threats from the last millennium.
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A Bad Thing
I can't see how it isn't copyright infringment. Disgraceful. I'm holding my breath waiting for firings and public apologies.
Thud.
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I can see one case where it isn't infringement. If BBC gave permission for the cross post, then it's not infringement. We have no evidence suggesting that they did, but we don't have any evidence suggesting they didn't. We can't condemn these people without evidence, else we become as bad as they are. It's a good hypothetical since, using their logic, the accusation is valid.
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The BBC probably doesn't mind
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The BBC probably doesn't mind
(sorry for the dup)
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(P.S. Is there any way you could stop doing to me that thing you're doing, Mike? I'd like to be able to post freely. By the way, it was my donation that put you over the $60K mark. I'm happy to help out because I read TD everyday and I value what you do, even if I disagree with you quite often.)
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In the meantime, until we have reason to believe their reposting is lawful, I move that Project Sunblock have all its servers stricken from the Internet, by disconnection imposed from their ISP if necessary. Consequences to their advertising and business be damned. That is the MPAA/RIAA way, isn't it?
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Then again, maybe the whole City of London Police has been used as a dumping ground for that sort. It's one of the wealthiest neighbourhoods in the country; most permanent residents are so rich they're effectively above the law.
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The biggest danger to elected officials is a citizenry that can communicate with each other, and organize themselves without the aid of a government controlled bureaucracy. The Arab spring has shown the dangers of modern communications to a governments, so they will be quite happy to see the Internet turned into cable TV V2.
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It's not copyright infringement when we do it!
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More about Project Sunblock
Registrant Name: Project Sunblock
Registrant Organization: ArtsandTV.company
Registrant Street: 105 Church St.
Registrant Street: Suite 600
Registrant City: Toronto
Registrant State/Province: Ontario
Registrant Postal Code: M5C 2G3
Registrant Country: Canada
Registrant Phone: +1.4168872787
Registrant Email: tech@artsandtv.com
And who is artsandtv.com? An excerpt from their registration:
Registrant Name: J R Lightstone
Registrant Organization: ArtsandTV.company Inc
Registrant Street: 18A Deer Park Cres
Registrant City: Toronto
Registrant State/Province: Ontario
Registrant Postal Code: m4v 2c2
Registrant Country: Canada
Registrant Phone: 4168872787
J R Lightstone appears to be Jeremy Lightstone, as found here:
http://www.newatlanta.com/c/products/bluedragon/self_help/archiveSearch/detail?messageId=77733
a nd here:
http://www.newatlanta.com/c/products/bluedragon/self_help/archiveSearch/detail?messageId=77520
A regurgitated press release about this is here:
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/ArtsandTV.company+Inc.+Launches+Project+Sunblock%2c+A+Leading+Edg e...-a0239960771
It concludes by giving this contact information:
Ian Lightstone
ArtsandTV.company Inc.
ilightstone@artsandtv.com
646-315-1663
Ken Epstein
kepstein@artsandtv.com
805-234-5330
info@projectsunblock.com
There are plenty of hits on these names if you want to keep going. But at least now we have some idea who the assholes behind this are.
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Well
The problem comes from turning the idea of not serving ads on certain sites to the notion that all those sites are illegal and because of that we, that is that snooty set of coppers in the London Mile, are free to hijack what ad would be placed on there instead of the ad that would be served by an organization using the info from Project Sunblock to not have their ad displayed there.
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What about the ISPs?
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As far as I know illegal blocking is rarely tried:
1. The sites owner is not informed in several of the processes.
2. The owner is a common John Doe in most cases, meaning he ain't got the money to sue.
3. If a site actually informs Sunblock of its legal status, Sunblock can remove the block and point to a policy of review on request or similar when confronted. It will be difficult to see the illegal blocking as willful and the case gets rather small.
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In short: Don't like to be sent to time out? Don't act like an unruly child.
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Then who is paying for the ads? Or the police of The City and the Project Sunblock company are stealing from these sites?
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