To Avoid Government Surveillance, South Koreans Abandon Local Software And Flock To German Chat App
from the loss-of-trust dept
South Korea seems to have a rather complicated relationship with the Internet. On the one hand, the country is well-known for having the fastest Internet connection speeds in the world; on the other, its online users are subject to high levels of surveillance and control, as the site Bandwidth Place explains:Under the watchful eye of the Korea Communications Standards Commission (KCSC), Internet use, web page creation, and even mapping data are all regulated. As noted recently by the Malaysian Digest, children under 16 are not permitted to participate in online gaming between midnight and 6 a.m. -- accessing the Internet requires users to enter their government-issued ID numbers. In addition, South Korean map data isn't allowed to leave the country, meaning Google Maps can't provide driving directions, and last year the KCSC blocked users from accessing 63,000 web pages. While it's possible to get around these restrictions using a virtual private network (VPN), those found violating the nation’s Internet rules are subject to large fines or even jail time.A story on the site of the Japanese broadcaster NHK shows how this is playing out in the world of social networks. Online criticism of the behavior of the President of South Korea following the sinking of the ferry MV Sewol prompted the government to set up a team to monitor online activity. That, in its turn, has led people to seek what the NHK article calls "cyber-asylum" -- online safety through the use of foreign mobile messaging services, which aren't spied on so easily by the South Korean authorities. According to the NHK article:
Many users have switched [from the hugely-popular home-grown product KakaoTalk] to a German chat app called Telegram. It had 50,000 users in early September. Now 2 million people have signed up.That's a useful reminder that fast Internet speeds on their own are not enough to keep people happy, and that even companies holding 90% of a market, as Kakao does in South Korea, can suffer badly once they lose the trust of their users by seeming too pliable to government demands for private information about their customers.
This seems like the type of lesson that the giant US internet companies and the NSA (along with its defenders) should be learning.
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South Korea has been well known for having very fast internet speeds within the country itself, but notoriously slow speeds to the rest of the world.
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The lesson they want to teach is that it is going to be like this everywhere (or anywhere that counts) so get used to it. Learning is for peons.
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Our problems are the world's problems. The world's problems don't exist.
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Never-ending story
Another app, another ban...another app, another ban...another app, another ban...another app, another ban...another app, another ban...another app, another ban...another app, another ban...another app, another ban...another app, another ban...another app, another ban...another app, another ban...another app, another ban...
Infinite loop. KCSC will end by banning everything; just like all forms of censorship end by banning everything.
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Re: Never-ending story
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In any case, the notion that circumventing Internet blockade and/or surveillance by using a VPN could give you large fines or even jail time seems preposterous for a country like South Korea. I remember using a VPNgate node hosted at someone's home server in Korea and encountered a roadblock at warning.or.kr. I don't speak Korean, but a quick search brought me to a English-speaking forum frequented by Koreans who'd long discussed such blockades.
But punishing citizens for the use of VPNs -- which have a myriad of legitimate uses beyond just circumvention -- is taking it to the next level. Of course, there's no way to pre-determine what someone uses a VPN for, so it's going to inevitably be a "shoot first, ask later" approach.
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Re:
http://www.thoughtcrime.org/blog/telegram-crypto-challenge/
http://security.stackexchange.com/questio ns/49782/is-telegram-secure
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6936539
Here are two reviews of other crypto apps.
http://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2013/03/here-come-encryption-apps.html
https://www.eff.o rg/secure-messaging-scorecard
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6940665
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Open Source wins again
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/37.5512/126.9715
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Since my VPN is hosted on a server in my apartment in Sacramento, Califonria, it is ONLY subject to AMERICAN laws. In other words, as long as what they do is legal in the United States, that is all that matters.
My server is NOT SUBJECT to South Korean laws, even if South Koreans use my VPN to avoid government censoring of web sites there. My server is in the United States, so I ONLY recognise UNITED STATES laws on my server.
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I hope there's a difference between the two.
The censors and enforcers will of course follow.
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Speed Test
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Privacy Is A Delusion Created By Them
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Re: Privacy Is A Delusion Created By Them
Off the deep end with meat heads that type up the literary equivalent of "we are doomed so let just jump off the building rant".
I love tech dirt and the srvice they provide. I love many of its forum posters but self righteous manic and poorly reasoned rants make the website a joke and the forums harder to read. Take a breath and work on your conxeptual reasoning skills and see how grammar conventions lead to certain biases like they almighty ominous "They" and then things wuickly devolve into locked in us vs them thinking. See psychology classic experiments for that error and then realize oh shit that is why pink floyd did a meditative song on it 40 years ago. This is not news. In the US there has always been levels of both freedom, free communication, and there still will be because of sites like this a a population of people who demand it. Will thing become dicier in the digital era absolutely. But Elise? Fast food was not a planned health conspiracy our knowledge of humsn bio chemistry was in it's infancy in 1950. Early in WW two antibiotics were barely around. Again I say take a breath and if you hsve not been checked for bipolar affective disorder, just to be safe look into it. Lets all stay skeptical but also calm, even, and rational and if we are real luck lets sterr away from being self righteous. Anyone on this board ever try to take part carefully honestly govern a country full of people? Its pretty effn hard and Korea is super conservative and mildly xenophobic. As a friend of mine said the tech is from 2050 the social mores from 1950. This does not make them Orwell's nightmare. That said the government trying to control their people's digital devices is bad and dangerous omen that will back fire as it did. But let us keep things in perspective ok?
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