The Internet Never Ends: You Can Deny That Or Embrace It
from the embrace-it dept
Over at NiemanLab, there's a good interview with Tom Standage who runs the Economist's digital efforts, in which he reveals the Economist's general view of how it approaches the internet -- which could be summarized as "deny it exists." Basically, the argument that Standage makes is that people want to feel like they've "completed" something and that they're fully informed, and so the Economist likes to pretend that once you've read it, you're completely informed and you don't have to look elsewhere. This is also why the Economist refuses to link to anyone else, because it would disabuse you of the "illusion" that the Economist provided you everything you needed:...what we actually sell is what I like to call the feeling of being informed when you get to the very end. So we sell the antidote to information overload — we sell a finite, finishable, very tightly curated bundle of content. And we did that initially as a weekly print product. Then it turns out you can take that same content and deliver it through an app.And as for links:
The “you’ve got to the end and now you’ve got permission to go do something else” is something you never get. You can never finish the Internet, you can never finish Twitter, and you can never really finish The New York Times, to be honest. So at its heart is that we have this very high density of information, and the promise we make to the reader is that if you trust us to filter and distill the news, and if you give us an hour and a half of your time — which is roughly how long people spend reading The Economist each week — then we’ll tell you what matters in the world and what’s going on. And if you only read one thing, we want to be the desert-island magazine. And our readers, that’s what they say.
Another aspect of it is — and I get all the morning briefings, Sentences, the FT one, and Quartz’s, and the rest of them — is that we don’t do links. The reason that we don’t do links, again, if you want to get links you can get them from other people. You can go on Twitter and get as many as you like. But the idea was everything that you need to know is distilled into this thing that you can get to the end of, and you can get to the end of it without worrying that you should’ve clicked on those links in case there was something interesting. So we’ve clicked on the links already and we’ve decided what’s interesting, and we’ve put it in Espresso.Mathew Ingram rightly calls this view of things selling an illusion. He notes that such an illusion can be very powerful -- and even very satisfying and appealing. But it's still an illusion.
That’s the same that we do in the weekly as well — we’re not big on linking out. And it’s not because we’re luddites, or not because we don’t want to send traffic to other people. It’s that we don’t want to undermine the reassuring impression that if you want to understand Subject X, here’s an Economist article on it — read it and that’s what you need to know. And it’s not covered in links that invite you to go elsewhere.
To me, it's also a version of denial -- a somewhat hubristic denial that actually says (loudly) that the Economist thinks it's much, much smarter than its readers. That seems like a pretty big mistake in the internet age, where (quite frequently) your readers are much smarter. In many ways, we at Techdirt have always taken the opposite approach. We link aggressively outward to source material, knowing that it will help people explore the subject more deeply. We encourage discussion and conversation in our comments, knowing that many of our readers are more knowledgeable on these subjects than we are.
The Economist is obviously super successful, but as we've stated before, the way people consume the news these days is changing. The kind of people who want to just sit down, consume one thing and feel that they're "informed" are going away. That's just not how people consume news these days, and young people especially don't want to consume news that way. They want to explore and dig and share and discuss. The ability to truly interact with the news, research things yourself, share your thoughts and actually be a part of the effort is what's appealing to so many people.
Maybe the Economist's view of things works for people who are scared of the internet and don't like the endless firehose of information that's available, but I'm betting that's a population that will be progressively shrinking, rather than growing.
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Or maybe...
Vive la différence.
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I wholeheartedly disagree with the premise that "they don't know what the internet is" because, well, internet. It doesn't take a genius to pop a tab and research along side what has piqued your interest.
I try to maintain a "verify thrice" approach to most things especially anything internet and just because one site doesn't attempt to lead me through my world on their leash for the rest of the hour or day doesn't make their position one of denial, it makes it refreshing, sort of like headphones when my mom is talking at me.
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Case in point, the anti-vaxer bull feces that refuses to die. Started by a now-discredited pseudo-medical charlatan, and perpetuated -- at a rate comparable to, well, the parallel epidemic of autism (of which science has yet to pin down a definitive cause but which genetics undoubtedly plays a big role) -- by paranoid mommy-bloggers engaging in militant groupthink. Jenny McCarthy herself is irrelevant in this game now. The blob has taken on a life of its own.
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Take what we say on faith, or go off and try to research it without our help.
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In defense of The Economist
The Economist is about good writing first and foremost. Highlighting and right clicking on a phrase and hit "search Google for..." is not bloody hard, is it?
The "Gawkerization" of the Internet needs to be pulled back a bit, and not like a foreskin.
Of the things to get bent about on TD, this molehill is about a full millimeter high.
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Requiring their readers to search Google as you say is easy, but you then have to identify and click the link in the results that lead to the relevant resource. Inserting links to primary sources, is treating your readers with respect, while emulating a print newspaper, by avoiding actual links, is throwing away the advantage of the Internet.
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I don't read the Economist much, so I don't know exactly how well they do it—but the principle seems OK: link to things of real value. Some sites go a bit overboard with linking (e.g. linking to a site where they found out about some scientific paper, or linking to stock tickers for every company mentioned) and it's hard to tell which links are worth following. And then I close the tab and wonder why I'm looking at some 3-month-old article about a press release about a paper that seems like it could be vaguely related to something I read in the last 10 minutes, but what?
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BS. They're selling a point of view, and hoping to make money doing it, just like everybody else who tries to do the same thing.
WTF was that about?!? Are you trying to sell an agenda, just like Economist et al are doing? I'm not getting it, whatever it is. Think more with your big head. The little one isn't equipped with a brain, ya know.
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A pox on the pedestrian NSA honeypot that is Google.
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a Victorian attitude toward the Internet
I have to think Standage recognizes the dissonance of his remarks, but finds himself in the role of corporate spokesperson for a magazine whose editors don't quite get the irony yet.
Of course the policies of the Economist only serve to hurt the Economist. (Don't they have an SEO consultant on staff?). And to say "we aren't going to do X because everyone else does X" is bullshit. What they are really saying is "you can get quality elsewhere; our product is for the consumer who doesn't want quality."
That approach never works in the long term.
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Because, despite what hundreds of self proclaimed experts on what the internet 'means' or what people 'want', it turns out that a lot of people really do value The Economist's product, whether in print, online or, most recently, in the form of a daily mobile update.
I've advised publishers and journalists to use links, if they benefit the story/product. The Economist have made a call that in their instance they don't, and I would suggest that the data of their P&L bears this out - as can I, as a focus group of one who is a big fan of links with a reason, but who also finds Espresso to be an absolutely essential product.
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Economist = dead end
That the Economist leads nowhere is is like a dead end road. Once you've been down that road, there's little reason to return.
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But in order to do that, you've got to be generating the content, not distilling it. If you distill something, you need to reference where the sources are, or you lose your authority.
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Ad blocking
This is strange to me. In my view ads are an infection. I'm amazed anyone can browse (or watch TV, etc.) without an ad-blocker. It's like I'm being constantly assaulted even if just watching someone else browse.
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Notice that when a malware comes through, the ad companies do not bother with offering an uninstaller to remove the problem. Nor will they offer to have someone come right on over and remove it from your computer. The hours it takes to run down that malware and fix it are your problem. If the fix is my problem, so is the cure.
This is why there will never be an ad shown on my computers while I have a choice in the matter and I will actively seek what it takes to ensure this remains.
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"Eta nas meh!" I just zoned on Serenity from that.
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Then too, I've learned that the US news is very influenced by US propaganda. Because of that and realizing the bias from both sites I may well go to the Russian English site, just to get the opposing view point who will be sure to let you have both barrels of counter straight up front. I may follow those two with what I hope is a much less bias site from a country with no stake in the matter. That's what it takes to be informed in today's commercial world where everyone has an angle.
I will never buy into the Economist idea of them being the sole source. That's been ruined long before now.
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I also read and like Techdirt, which links to their sources.
Does that make me smarter than the normal Economist readers?
I'm quite capable of liking both models. It's not a zero sum game.
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Economist Advanatge
"So we sell the antidote to information overload — we sell a finite, finishable, very tightly curated bundle of content." -Tom Standage
Absolutely. The Economist is under no illusion that people won't go elsewhere.
For those of you who are unfamiliar with the magazine, it does not publish under author names, it is organized into a series of well defined sections with well researched, well sourced, cogent writing. It does have a point of view but takes pains to present other points of view.
It takes a solid 3 hours (for me) of focused reading to get through a weekly edition. It's dense.
As a curated news source, I'm quite happy with it and have subscribed for many years. One big reason is that it inspires me to look outside many of the news sources I generally go to online. While half of the stories in a regional section "Asia" or "The Americas" might have hit my news feed, the other half probably have not but that makes them no less news worthy. It's not a dead end, but rather a road map pointing out sights I might have missed.
The Economist's practice of avoiding links is good. While linking can be helpful in terms of convenience (speed), searching for information yourself is thinking critically.
Reading it weekly is a useful exercise in thinking globally.
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But the internet allows populist bullhockey like anti-vaxxers and Birtherism to spread like stage 4 cancer. Heck, ISIS and its offshoots are recruiting via Twitter spreading violent religious nonsense to vulnerable, possibly mentally unstable people who buy into their message of hatred. The Boston bomber had issues of Al Qaeda's magazine on his hard drive. If it wasn't for the Internet, they'd still be scrawling on caves and not publishing an online magazine that's as polished as the New Yorker.
I think the Internet has revealed the worst devils of our nature (literally in the case of, e.g., ISIS, Westboro and the other god-bothering radicals). The fact that it never ends really pulls back the curtain on the sheer infinite depths of human depravity and ignorance that exist within our species. Bad ideas have always been with us. The only difference now is that they're not concentrated among a select group of gatekeepers and are now free for the taking -- and the giving -- by any idiot who can sufficiently pass himself off as an "expert" or a "friend of the people."
I know the Catholic Church balked about the printing press. Now we know in retrospect that while they were nothing but a bunch of child-raping crooks deluded about their own greatness, the huddled masses of community publication aren't of much greater merit either. We're all a bunch of monkeys flinging poo at the walls thinking we've got the knack to produce the great works of Shakespeare.
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