Indiana Police Refuse To Hand Over Stingray Docs Because Someone Might Attack The Annual Mule Day Parade

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Tue, Sep 8th 2015 11:36am — Tim Cushing

Another state agency is refusing to release Stingray documents. This time, it's not just about the not-even-a-secret-anymore "means and methods" or the supposed jeopardization of ongoing investigations. Nope, this time the nexus is terrorism, as Ars Technica's Cyrus Farivar reports. And not just any terrorism, but the "blowing up a cornfield" variety.

[T]he reason for the denial is a bit strange—the department seems to claim that releasing the requested information constitutes a possible risk to terrorism or even "agricultural terrorism."

The refusal, given to privacy activist/Stingray doc enthusiast Mike Fitz-Lacabe, cites a state statute that limits disclosure of documents related to terrorism mitigation, including the sort of terrorism that apparently never has actually happened anywhere in the US but is still a great matter of concern for the state. Not that the concern makes any sense.

"Months ago, I hadn’t seen the myriads of reasons that agencies and their lawyers give for claiming records are exempt," Katz-Lacabe told Ars. "I think the reference to agricultural terrorism is perplexing and perhaps ludicrous. Maybe it’s a Midwest thing."

Possibly. The Midwest is heavily-reliant on agriculture. Indiana, it seems, is more heavily-reliant on existential threats. Farivar points out that Indiana has been voted "Most Likely to be Attacked by Terrorists" by local law enforcement and its DHS branch office. Farivar links to a 2006 New York Times article that shows the state has designated nearly 8,600 sites as potential terrorist targets in the National Asset Database. What's included on the list suggests state fearmongers simply added any place that might draw a crowd of two or more individuals.

It reads like a tally of terrorist targets that a child might have written: Old MacDonald’s Petting Zoo, the Amish Country Popcorn factory, the Mule Day Parade, the Sweetwater Flea Market and an unspecified “Beach at End of a Street.”

To put it in context, Indiana claims nearly 3,000 more terrorist targets than the big daddy of terrorist-targeted assets, New York ~~City~~. And that's a state that has actually been hit with a terrorist attack. It also claims almost 1,500 more "targets" than the next most dangerous state to live in… Wisconsin.

So, the National Asset List is largely comprised of bullshit. As is the excuse given to Fitz-Lacabe. Many agencies have acquired Stingrays with counterterrorism grants from the federal government. And almost every agency uses their Stingrays to tackle mundane criminal activity ranging from drug dealing to misdemeanor theft. Terrorism is the always-handy excuse. As long as the federal government continues to justify its own overreach with cries of "terrorists!" state and local agencies will do the same.

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Ninja (profile), 8 Sep 2015 @ 11:41am

The Annual Mule Day Parade? What do they display in that parade? Law enforcement top heads?
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Baron von Robber, 8 Sep 2015 @ 11:45am

" It also claims almost 1,500 more "targets" than the next most dangerous state to live in… Wisconsin."

Maybe they heard about the dangerous group "Cult of the Dead Cow". :/
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Sep 2015 @ 11:47am

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No, that's for the Pig Parade. Mule Day is open to any agency that wants to, or regularly does, make an ass of itself.
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Violynne (profile), 8 Sep 2015 @ 11:48am

"Most Likely to be Attacked by Terrorists" by local law enforcement and its DHS branch office.
Be mindful, readers, this only happened because of that idiotic Pence law signing, which you can search if you're unfamiliar.

Before that, we were dead last, as even Chicago (that's still in the midwest, believe it or not) outranked us.
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Nigerian Banker, 8 Sep 2015 @ 12:07pm

Re: Re:
Sounds like a half-assed sort of event to me.
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Sep 2015 @ 12:16pm

New York City is not a state.....
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Sep 2015 @ 12:39pm

Agricultural terrorism
Is that what they call revealing regulatory violations of farms? Would fit with the Ag-gag attempts.
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David, 8 Sep 2015 @ 12:41pm

What's good for the goose
Many agencies have acquired Stingrays with counterterrorism grants from the federal government. And almost every agency uses their Stingrays to tackle mundane criminal activity ranging from drug dealing to misdemeanor theft. Terrorism is the always-handy excuse.

Well, if any teflon-related expense can only be handled with space program related grants, every police department kitchen will detail its own launch facility plannings.

You would not want the U.S. fall behind Russia now, would you?
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JoeCool (profile), 8 Sep 2015 @ 12:41pm

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Indiana had 6.6 million pop as of 2014, while NYC had 8.5 million. Seems like a fair comparison to me. The point is that a place that actually has terrorism and more important places has fewer listed targets than a smaller place with nothing of any importance at all.
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Capt ICE Enforcer, 8 Sep 2015 @ 12:45pm

I believe
I believe there is a jackass who would love to kick some mule day parade ass. I am so glad Indiana takes terrorism seriously unlike the other 49 states. Now I never want to visit Indiana again for fear of death
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Sep 2015 @ 12:48pm

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But as New York City is Part of New York State, the state has suffered a terrorist attack.
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Sep 2015 @ 12:48pm

Where is Rudy?
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Sep 2015 @ 1:08pm

Oh my gosh... I, I, I've been to Wisconsin ..twice. I, I, I didn't realize how lucky I was to escape with my life ..both times! :-O
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Personanongrata, 8 Sep 2015 @ 1:16pm

Thought I was Dead Once...
as it turned out I was in Podunk Indiana attending the Mule Day Parade.

He who defends everything defends nothing.
~ Frederick the Great
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Personanongrata, 8 Sep 2015 @ 1:18pm

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No worries Governor Scott Walker is going to build a wall across the US's northern border with Canada to keep you safe.
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Sep 2015 @ 1:31pm

Re: Re:
Apparently the people that didn't make it out contributed to the necessity!
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Sep 2015 @ 1:54pm

"Farivar points out that Indiana has been voted "Most Likely to be Attacked by Terrorists" by local law enforcement and its DHS branch office."

Meanwhile, the Terrorists are saying "Indiana? Where's that? Do you mean India?"
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Sep 2015 @ 1:55pm

This is what fear culture looks like. They are terrified people want to terrorize their insignificant state.
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Sep 2015 @ 1:57pm

Not Buying It
All the mule parade attacks in the history of the world won't convince me.
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Capitalist Lion Tamer (profile), 8 Sep 2015 @ 2:26pm

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Good point. Fixed.
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Sep 2015 @ 2:56pm

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> Meanwhile, the Terrorists are saying "Indiana? Where's that? Do you mean India?"

Even among Americans, many are challenged to spot the fact that John Oliver actually highlighted Missouri instead...
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Noneya, 8 Sep 2015 @ 3:49pm

More stupidity
Are these republican states. I got a solution vote third party. Get all these asshats out of govt. Get better leaders who dont work helping terrorists. All the middleast nations we destroy help the terrorist. Did anyone hear of these terrorist. Before 911. But now these bad guys are everywhere. Makes you wonder if one of the secrets of the gov is these terrorists work for us.
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David, 8 Sep 2015 @ 4:02pm

We need to stop tourism to Indiana
If they are that concentrated a target for terrorism due to gatherings of people, we need to keep people and tourists from gathering there. For their own safety, of course.
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Sep 2015 @ 4:20pm

Someone might do something if we follow the law and protect your rights.

So we must ignore the laws and abuse your rights in order to protect something from someone
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Sep 2015 @ 4:22pm

wanted to add another comment. You are talking about a country whose government considers questioning their state officials terrorism.

Anything and everything is going to be called a terrorist related target at this point
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Sep 2015 @ 4:31pm

Re: Re:
I wish sometimes we Canadians would do exactly that
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Sep 2015 @ 4:53pm

Re: Re:
Who were the terrorists?
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JoeCool (profile), 8 Sep 2015 @ 10:21pm

Re: Re: Re:
Mostly the Mayor and Police Chief. ;)
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Anonymous Coward, 9 Sep 2015 @ 9:24am

hoosier here....
if the threat of blowing up ONE SINGLE CORNFIELD, IN INDIANA, is a serious cause for concern for the abolition of the constitution, mayhaps our elected officials should take said corn cobs out of their ears, mouths, and other orifices. Now that is not to say that there aren't any concern for terrorism, but the number of viable targets, in Indiana, is rather limited.
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